Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Hitler's Search for the Holy Grail
PBS ^ | 11/30/01 | PBS

Posted on 11/30/2001 7:55:36 AM PST by Aquinasfan

Hitler's Search for the Holy Grail

When Steven Spielberg made a movie about an intrepid archaeologist’s fight to keep a precious and powerful artifact — the Holy Grail — out of the hands of the Nazis, it was not widely known that the tale was based on truth. There really was a Nazi archaeological unit and it did send teams across the world to try to find the Grail.

History meets Indiana Jones in HITLER’S SEARCH FOR THE HOLY GRAIL, a one-hour documentary airing on PBS Monday, November 27, 2000, 10:00 p.m. ET (check local listings). Host Michael Wood (IN THE FOOTSTEPS OF ALEXANDER THE GREAT) explores how history was used as a political tool and how the theories of the Nazi historical department provided the ideology used by the SS (Schutzstaffel – "protection squadron") to justify genocide.

The program outlines how the racialist theories of the SS were drawn from archaeology, myth and legend, as well as selected history. Nazi ideas about "Aryans" and the "master race" came out of historical and ethnic fantasies in which legends such as the Holy Grail and the lost city of Atlantis — supposed to be a home of the Aryan race — played their part.

HITLER’S SEARCH FOR THE HOLY GRAIL contains rare and previously unseen footage, including

* color film of the Nazi expedition to Antarctica;
* film of the Nazi expeditions across the world, from the Baltic to Venezuela;
* footage of the 1938 expedition to Tibet, with the measuring of skulls of Tibetans;
* documentary evidence for expeditions to Peru, Iceland and Iran, and footage of SS chief Heinrich Himmler at archaeological sites.

The film conjures the eerie world that permeated the thoughts of key members of the Nazi leadership, especially Himmler, and shows how top scholars, some of them still alive, collaborated in this project.

HITLER’S SEARCH FOR THE HOLY GRAIL includes interviews with a former member of Himmler’s personal staff and the wife of a top SS commander, who give unique and unrepentant insight into the mentality of the Nazi inner circle. The program also includes a dramatic recording of the Nuremburg trial of Wolfram Sievers, the head of the SS Ahnenerbe ("Ancestral Heritage Society"), Himmler’s archaeological and historical unit. The Ahnenerbe’s task, according to Himmler, was "to restore the German people to the everlasting godly cycle of ancestors, the living and the descendants."

Himmler was a member of the Thule Society, an extreme nationalist group named after one of the mythical homes of the German people. It was the society’s almost mystical belief in the greatness of the German past — to which Himmler subscribed with fanatical devotion — that was to provide the intellectual ballast to Nazi belief in race and destiny.

The chief administrator of the Ahnenerbe, Dr. Wolfram Sievers, had been heavily involved in the criminal medical experiments that were carried out on Jews in concentration camps, all to prove racial differences and the superiority of the Aryan race. After Germany’s defeat in 1945, Sievers was brought before a war crimes tribunal, found guilty and sentenced to death. He was executed on June 2, 1948. The archaeological world of the Ahnenerbe died with Hitler, Himmler and Sievers; the Ahnenerbe, too, melted away. Many of its top archaeologists, however, returned, unpunished, to university life, only to re-emerge as leading academics in postwar Germany.

Day & time: check with your local station

Underwriters: Public Television Viewers and PBS. Producer: Maya Vision. Producer: Rebecca Dobbs. Director: Kevin Sim. Format: CC STEREO   TV Calendar PBS Previews PBS Picks Telstar/C-band Schedule Primestar, Dish Network & DirecTV Schedule PBS KIDS Channel PBS YOU Schedule    


TOPICS: Announcements; Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: godsgravesglyphs; heresy; hitler; holygrail; pbs; wwii
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-5051-100101-150151-200 ... 251-263 next last
To: #1CTYankee
African or European?
51 posted on 11/30/2001 9:10:15 AM PST by Heyworth
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 49 | View Replies]

To: steve-b
Exactly so..if you can find a good translation (eg,pre 1936) of the original two volume Mein Kampf you will note that Hitler took an explicit stand against the nuttiest of the nutty Germanic cult movements . Not to deny he exploited the political benefit of pseudo pagan pagent and probably tolerated some activity designed to lend " scientific" credibility to what was invaluable political theater.
52 posted on 11/30/2001 9:10:15 AM PST by RocketWolf
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 22 | View Replies]

To: lexcorp
Any pagan/heathen/follower of the old Norse/Teutonic beliefs that the Nazis came across they'd toss into the concentration camps. Hitler had a serious dislike for all pagans. Except for Himmler.

Nope. Norse paganism was deeply rooted in Nazi mythology. The entire swearing in ceremony of the SS was paganistic to the core. Many nazis, not just Himmler, were deeply devoted pagans. Goebbels was one, and Hess another. Niether were put into camps.

53 posted on 11/30/2001 9:12:52 AM PST by Skooz
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 37 | View Replies]

To: lexcorp
Wenn ist das Nunstuck git und Slotermeyer? Ja! Beiherhund das Oder die Flipperwaldt gersput!

So does anyone know enough german and feel brave enough to translate the infamous joke? I have always wondered what it is...
54 posted on 11/30/2001 9:14:13 AM PST by freedomvent.net
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 29 | View Replies]

To: Heyworth
"I don't know that!
55 posted on 11/30/2001 9:15:39 AM PST by #1CTYankee
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 51 | View Replies]

To: freedomvent.net
Is that the one that the Nazis used to counter the deadly joke?

Hitler: "My dog has no nose."
Crowd: "How does he smell?"
Hitler: "Terrible!"

56 posted on 11/30/2001 9:17:40 AM PST by Skooz
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 54 | View Replies]

Comment #57 Removed by Moderator

To: Skooz
Too late! See post #41!
58 posted on 11/30/2001 9:19:24 AM PST by buccaneer81
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 47 | View Replies]

To: Fighting Falcons
Sort of like the Bohemian Grove Club our Pols go to.

You mean the Nazi leadership skinny dipped, too?

59 posted on 11/30/2001 9:20:58 AM PST by skeeter
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 17 | View Replies]

To: #1CTYankee
What is the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow?

I thought there was a moritorium on Lewinsky jokes?

60 posted on 11/30/2001 9:21:41 AM PST by Paradox
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 49 | View Replies]

To: Pietro
The Catholic Encyclopedia says the this particular spear (in Vienna) is not authentic, although Hitler certainly thought it was.

I'm sure the Vatican probably has it squirrled away in some musty, dusty old storage room somewhere.

61 posted on 11/30/2001 9:22:44 AM PST by AFreeBird
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 42 | View Replies]

To: Aquinasfan
The Nazis were fascinated with the idea of Aryan superiority and Jewish inferiority. One facet was of that belief was the Jews weren't really Jews. They were fake Jews with the real Jews being Aryans. It's really hard to follow. Hitler and his cronies felt the need to find the Jewish artifacts to restore them to the real Jews (Aryans). The fake Jews were really Slavs, considered subhuman.

They also believed somewhat in the ancient Gods of the forests that enabled the Germanic tribes to defeat the Romans. Nazism was rooted in the idea of Germanic/Aryan superiority ordained by all creation. They also believed in the Master Race which were pure Aryans which they believed could only be identified by research. Those members must reproduce while the subhumans must be prevented from "poisoning the genetic well".

Oddly, if Hitler had listened to Mussolini, The Axis may have won the war. Mussolini wanted to wait until late 1940 to start the war. Hitler thought he was being cowardly. But at the time, Germany was far outpacing Russia and the West and Italy was just beginning to improve their air assets. The West was perfectly content with ignoring the German military expansion while growing fat on peace.

62 posted on 11/30/2001 9:29:42 AM PST by AppyPappy
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

Comment #63 Removed by Moderator

To: lexcorp
Most Nazis were quite devout Christians.

Sorry, but after this hilarious passage, you lost all credibility. That statement is so utterly devoid of fact, that its refutation is child's play. I refer you to "An Occult History of the Third Reich." That makes the case much better than I can here.

64 posted on 11/30/2001 9:36:12 AM PST by Skooz
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 63 | View Replies]

To: lexcorp
Let's just say that the Nazis were "wannabe" pagans. Kind of like they were "wannabe" royalty and "wannabe" revolutionaries as well.

Their theology wasn't always correct, but their aim of resurrecting the Norse gods for a modern theo-state have been breathtakingly well-documented.

65 posted on 11/30/2001 9:40:23 AM PST by Skooz
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 63 | View Replies]

Comment #66 Removed by Moderator

To: lexcorp
There was no room in Nazism for allegiance above Nazism. And certainly Jesus and His beliefs would not have been welcome.
67 posted on 11/30/2001 9:46:28 AM PST by AppyPappy
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 66 | View Replies]

Comment #68 Removed by Moderator

To: Heyworth
If you are talking about "The Lady of the Lake," then I believe that you have it backwords.  Lancelot gave Excalibur to the Lady of the Lake.  King Arthur took the sword from the stone.  I believe that it was Merlin (a priest of the "High Church" and Arthur's uncle who predicted the rise and fall of Arthur Pendragon after the death of Arthur's father.  Anyways, so goes the legend.
69 posted on 11/30/2001 9:51:42 AM PST by Frumious Bandersnatch
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 48 | View Replies]

To: Aquinasfan
Dr. Stanley Monteif's radio show (archives at www.radioliberty.com) quite often has guests on that speak about the occultic ties to Hitler. Rather fascinating.
70 posted on 11/30/2001 9:52:29 AM PST by tang-soo
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

Comment #71 Removed by Moderator

To: Aquinasfan
Right. What I found most interesting in the History Channel special was the assertion that Hitler and his inner circle of 12 SS men "channeled" on a regular basis in Wertzberg (sp?) Castle.

Thats Wewelsberg (VAY-BELLS-BERG) Castle. Himmler used to initiate SS officers in a secret room called Valhalla where it was supposed that the SS communed with long dead Teutonic knights, warriors, and kings.

Himmler also supposedly brought the Spear of Destiny back to Germany, the same spear that pierced the side of Jesus when he was on the cross. He also sent archeologists to India to find the original Aryans who lived there thousands of years ago. A group of these Ahnenerbe were also sent to fidn the lost city of Atlantis.

72 posted on 11/30/2001 9:59:25 AM PST by KC_Conspirator
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 18 | View Replies]

To: Aquinasfan
"....Spear of Destiny" seems to be discredited to some degree"

I would agree w/ that assesment simply because most of the information cannot be sourced. You must remember that the essential element of a secret society is secretiveness.

When he says, for example that Dietrich Eckart(sp?) was a poet that initiated Hitler into satanic rites, evidence that Eckart, a real poet known to associate w/ Hitler, was a satanist would be hard to come by.

The majority of his info concerning Hitler came from a man named Walter Stein, who was something of a mystic ( a Rosicrucian), and who claims to have known Hitler in his vagabond Vienna days. It is Stein's view of Cosmic Time, stretching back to Atlantis, that makes up the book's foundation. You simply can't source that stuff. Ravenscroft readily admits that the story he is telling is impossible to prove using standard historic models.

Where Ravenscroft does cite hard sources; those check out. And I believe it is these sources, such as Einhard (Life of Charlemagne) and William Shirer, Nietzsche, and Mein Kompf, and various Grail legends, that prove his story has some validity.

Naturally, as a "mystic" history it will not satisfy academic historians. Conversely, can the academics even approach the mystic reality that adherents to such a society believed if they themselves don't take the subject seriously?

When a hard-headed realist like Albert Speer states that at his first meeting w/ Hitler, it was like he came under a spell, is that just a turn of phrase or something more? Likewise, nearly every Hitler biographer, from Toland to Bullock has made reference to Hitler's "demonic" ability to control people. Was that simply attenuated charisma?<P. I don't know, nor do I think anyone ever will know the complete story, but I think Ravenscroft has something interesting to add.

73 posted on 11/30/2001 10:06:11 AM PST by Pietro
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 50 | View Replies]

To: Darth Reagan
ni

Oh, no. Not the knights who say, "ni." Anything but that.

74 posted on 11/30/2001 10:07:52 AM PST by Rocky
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies]

To: Frumious Bandersnatch
Um. It's a quote from "Monty Python and the Holy Grail." In the words of Foghorn Leghorn, "I say, I say, that's a joke, son."
75 posted on 11/30/2001 10:14:06 AM PST by Heyworth
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 69 | View Replies]

To: Heyworth
If you are talking about "The Lady of the Lake," then I believe that you have it backwords.  Lancelot gave Excalibur to the Lady of the Lake.  King Arthur took the sword from the stone.  I believe that it was Merlin (a priest of the "High Church" and Arthur's uncle who predicted the rise and fall of Arthur Pendragon after the death of Arthur's father.  Anyways, so goes the legend.
76 posted on 11/30/2001 10:24:11 AM PST by Frumious Bandersnatch
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 48 | View Replies]

To: Pietro
Re:#73 I haven't read the book, only reviews on Amazon. But my gut was telling me pretty much what you said.

One's analysis of the influence of the occult on the Third Reich will obviously be influenced by one's acceptance of the reality of the occult. Also, as you said, hard evidence of occult practices (by definition secret) will be hard to come by.

The book does sound interesting.

77 posted on 11/30/2001 10:39:03 AM PST by Aquinasfan
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 73 | View Replies]

To: Aquinasfan
Hiter choose... Poorly.
78 posted on 11/30/2001 10:43:31 AM PST by The KG9 Kid
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: lexcorp
The Thule Society didn' really draw much on ancient mythology. Just more anti-semetism, meshed with a lot of late 19th century spiritualism BS (think "Theosophists").

I guess it depends on how you define "pagan." I'd lump Theosophy in that category.

Check out the top of the Seal of the Theosophical Society. Creepy.

This seems to lend some credibility to the allegation that Hitler and the SS engaged in "channeling" on a regular basis.

79 posted on 11/30/2001 10:47:41 AM PST by Aquinasfan
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 57 | View Replies]

To: Aquinasfan
Hi, Aquinasfan. It was Hitler's occultic practices that caused a great deception to fall on the German people. When people on these threats don't believe the occult can damage their children, etc., they need to see what Hitler accomplished through his satanic dabblings. And look how he ended up. satan loves to destroy, even his most faithful disciples.
80 posted on 11/30/2001 11:01:32 AM PST by Marysecretary
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: Cicero
There was another film that showed Harrison Ford chasing the Holy Grail. I loved them all.
81 posted on 11/30/2001 11:04:57 AM PST by Marysecretary
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 14 | View Replies]

To: Aquinasfan
The book does sound interesting.

Yeah, its fascinating stuff. For example, all of the head honchos in the nazi regime thought they were reincarnations of historic personalities; Himmler thought he was Fredrick the Great (this is actually pretty well documented) and Goering thought he was Tiberius. The book says that Goering even had a villa on the island of Capri, like Tiberius, the preverted Roman emporer during the life of Christ.

As for Hitler, he is associated w/ a character from the Grail legends, whose name escapes me (Klingsor?), but who was a sorcerer from Sicily or southern Italy, arch-enemy of Parsival and the Grail knights.

The story's primary narrator, Stein, also believes he, Stein, was a noble in Charlemagne's court where he did battle w/ the Hitler/Klingsor personality who was at that time (c800AD) the Pope.

While all of this sounds distinctly unchristian (reincarnation), the life of Christ is viewed as the single most important cosmic event in world history, and the "quest" for the Holy Grail, is the path by which initiates move to a truer understanding of the ultimate reality personified by Christ.

I don't take much of this stuff at face value, but it is fascinating, particuarly in light of "real" history that has a self-educated rabble-rouser taking over, arguably, the most sophisticated people on earth and starting a war that kills upwards of 50 millions in a little over five years. That's truly preposterous.

82 posted on 11/30/2001 11:53:59 AM PST by Pietro
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 77 | View Replies]

Comment #83 Removed by Moderator

To: lexcorp
If you reject the existence of the occult a priori then no amount of evidence would convince you of its existence.

But there is a correlation between Hitler's rise to power and occult practices within his inner circle. I do not rule out the possibility of a causal relationship.

84 posted on 11/30/2001 12:42:43 PM PST by Aquinasfan
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 83 | View Replies]

To: Pietro
Do you know anything about the Nazi wedding ceremony? I remember that some Nazi ceremony was a total co-option of a Catholic/Christian rite. Maybe it was the Mass.
85 posted on 11/30/2001 12:45:49 PM PST by Aquinasfan
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 82 | View Replies]

Comment #86 Removed by Moderator

To: Thinkin' Gal
Orion's Diagram and Shape
Deep Space objects in Orion
  • The Great Nebula of Orion (M42) is one of the most photographed objects in the sky. It is visible to the unaided eye as a fuzzy spot about halfway down the sword of Orion. This area is a collection of gas and dust where stars are being born. The central bright star that is illuminating the gaseous cloud is actually four stars known as the Trapezium. The nebula itself is one of the nearest regions of star formation at only about 1,500 light years away. It has formed stars recently, only 300,000 years ago. The nebula is populated with many newly created stars and protostars.
    The Orion Nebula is an emission nebula, giving off light from its own glowing gases, as well as being illuminated by the Trapezium. This was the first nebula to be successfully photographed, in 1880 by Henry Draper. The Orion nebula is Messier Object number 42 (M42), the 42nd object that Charles Messier added to his famous catalogue of objects. M43 can be seen in this photograph directly above M42. Both objects are part of a larger group that includes the Horsehead Nebula as well.
    Photograph of the Orion Nebula by David Malin. Copyright © ROE/Anglo-Australian Observatory. Photograph produced from UK Schmidt Plates. Used by permission.
Star Colors in Orion
  • You can probably recognize Orion in this photograph by the three stars in the belt. The photograph was exposed for about a half an hour. The stars were in focus to start, but every few minutes, the focus was adjusted to make the stars more and more out of focus. The gradual loss of focus combines with the natural movement of the stars across the sky to produce an image where star color is made more obvious. This technique, called a step focus, was discovered by accident by the well known photographer David Malin, who took this picture.
    The photograph illustrates that stars have very different colors from one another. Color tells us about a star's temperature, composition, age, size and even its distance from us. Red stars are generally older, cooler stars that have used up much of their hydrogen fuel. Blue stars are generally younger and hotter. (In astronomy, the phrase "red-hot" doesn't work.)
    Most of these stars are blue, with the obvious exception of the very red star Betelguese (located at Orion's right shoulder). Betelgeuse is a red supergiant. Rigel, the blue star at the lower left is a blue supergiant. The red streak in the sword area is the Orion Nebula.
    Betelgeuse is diferent from the other stars here in that it is at the end of its life; it has burned up much of its hydrogen fuel and is much cooler than the blue stars. Small stars like the Sun conserve their energy and last for billions of years. Large, hot stars like Rigel burn up fast and may last only a few million years. The Sun is the kind of star where life and intelligence can have the time they need to evolve. Our Solar system is 4.6 billion years old and will probably last another 4 or 5 billion years.
    Photograph of Stars in Orion, Step Focus by David Malin. Copyright ©Anglo-Australian Observatory. Push Processing, Hasselblad. Used by Permission.
The Individual Stars of Orion
  • These are the "common names" for Orion's individual stars, but astronomers often refer to stars by their Greek letters, also shown here. An astronomer named Johann Bayer assigned lower case Greek letters to the stars in each constellation, often in order of brightness. Thus, Betelgeuse is alpha Orionis, Rigel is beta Orionis, etc. (The form Orionis is the Latin genitive case; it is the possessive, and means "of Orion.") Astronomers use these Greek letters and the genitive case to identify stars.
    Common names for stars are often Arabic. During the middle ages, the Arab world kept the ancient Greek knowledge of astronomy alive. They were interested in the individual stars and named many of them. These names are often descriptive and colorful. For example, Betelgeuse means "armpit of the central one." Orion may have been called the Central One (Al Jauzah) because it is directly over the Earth's equator. Betelgeuse was discovered to be a variable star by Sir John Herschel in 1836. Betelgeuse has a companion star with a five year orbit; we know that from examining the spectrum of the star, so Betelgeuse is called a "spectroscopic binary."
    Rigel means "left leg of the Jauzah." It is a blue super giant and also a double star. It is the seventh brightest star in sky. Some stars are bright because they are nearby and others are bright because their absolute magnitude (true brightness) is very great. Rigel is both: it is only about 910 light years away and it is about 150,000 times as bright as the Sun.
    Bellatrix is known as the Amaxon Star. "Women born under this star shall have mighty tongues," (T. Hood). Mintaka means "the belt," in arabic. It is the northernmost star in the belt and is very the near celestial equator. Alnilam means "the string of pearls." It is the central star of the belt. Saiph means "sword."
The Mythology of Orion
  • Orion, from the Greek word for "warrior," was the mighty hunter. The Syrians called him Al Jabbar, the giant. He was so tall he could wade through any ocean on Earth. He was also the most beautiful man in the world, and his story is filled with exploits. He was blinded by one lover, only to have his sight restored by another. Orion fell in love with all seven of the Pleiades, the seven sisters, and he pursued them all. Zeus placed the sisters in the sky to spare them heartache, but Orion still pursues them across the sky.
    Orion was a bad omen for sailors, signifying the beginning of the winter and of winter storms. The Chinese called Orions belt "Tsan," meaning "Three side by side.
    Orion and Scorpius are never seen in the sky together, because they are located in opposite directions from one another. The story arose that the sky was not big enough for both of them. Scorpius the scorpion stung Orion to death. Orion is said to fear the poisonous sting and to flee the scorpion's arising each night.
    Urania's Mirror, by "A Lady." Published by Samuel Leigh, London, c.1825.
Location of Orion
  • Orion is visible from every part of the Earth. It is located on the celestial equator. This line is a projection into space of the Earth's equator and is shown here as a green line. Early navigators relied on the constellations as they travelled, and distinctive stars like the three in Orion's belt were important to them.
    This is an easy constellation to find. Start on a winter evening if you are in the northern hemisphere. Look toward the southeast for the three bright stars that make up the belt. The farther north you are, the lower Orion will be on the horizon. Orion's outstretched upper arm is located in the Milky Way.
    Orion is the hunter, and his two hunting dogs are located to his right. One of these, Canis Major, contains the brightest star in the sky. This star is Sirius, and in this diagram it is located just where the dog's neck meets his body. Sirius should help you to find Orion. Orion shoots his arrow toward Taurus the Bull.

    ***

    I understand the blood stain on the sword, but what's up with the red star sholder? Head wound or sholder?

    \\\\|////


87 posted on 11/30/2001 1:23:38 PM PST by Jeremiah Jr
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: lexcorp
I expected that response. But I encourage you to take a skeptical view of skepticism.

The materialist worldview is internally contradictory.

For example, if my thought that "materialism is false," and your thought that "materialism is true" are both the result of sheer, random, chance, then there exists no objective criterion for judging the validity of our statements. Both contradictory statements would be necessarily "valid." But this contradicts the Law of Non-contradiction.

Similarly, if your mind is simply a "machine," then there exists no means for determining whether your "machine" is functioning properly.

Finally, the self eludes explanation in strictly material terms. Is the self a "scanning mechanism" in the brain? If so, then there would be as many "selves" as discrete acts of scanning. And the "self" dissolves.

No, thought is essentially and ultimately a spiritual, non-material process. Only a non-material "vantage point" allows the self to see the world objectively. And only a non-material property of the self makes the possibility of thought itself logically coherent.

Another intuitive argument against materialistic reductionism is the existence of:

humor
love
beauty
goodness
oneness
music

which, if their existence is granted, cannot be explained materially.

Once the existence of the non-material is granted, the existence of the occult cannot be rejected a priori.

88 posted on 11/30/2001 1:34:34 PM PST by Aquinasfan
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 86 | View Replies]

To: Aquinasfan
But there is a correlation between Hitler's rise to power and occult practices within his inner circle. I do not rule out the possibility of a causal relationship.

What struck me was his uncanny ability to stay alive as long as he did! When I read several books about the German resistance and their attempts to assassinate him, it occurred to me that one could not rule out demonic protection as a source of Hitler's unnatural survival rate . . . It wasn't just one or two assassination attempts that failed. They actually had a bomb on his airplane, disguised as Cointreau, that failed to go off . . . etc. Interesting thread, all . . .

89 posted on 11/30/2001 1:56:58 PM PST by AMDG&BVMH
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 84 | View Replies]

Comment #90 Removed by Moderator

Comment #91 Removed by Moderator

To: Aquinasfan
bump
92 posted on 11/30/2001 2:30:36 PM PST by jrherreid
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Cicero
The Holy Grail was the chalice Jesus used at the Last Supper, which was thought to have been brought by Joseph of Arimathaea to England or Wales, probably to Glastonbury. The object found by Indiana Jones was the Ark of the Covenant, probably removed from the Temple of Jerusalem by the Emperor Titus when he destroyed the Temple in 70 AD. Two quite different objects, one Jewish--as would be appropriate to Spielberg--the other Christian.

Actually, I read a very interesting and somewhat persuasive book, The Sign and the Seal by Graham Hancock, that argued they are one and the same: the "grail" is a mistranslation of an ancient term and the many ancient quests for it were actually searches for the "ark."

93 posted on 11/30/2001 2:34:51 PM PST by M. Thatcher
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 14 | View Replies]

Comment #94 Removed by Moderator

To: Aquinasfan

Another possible Grail.

95 posted on 11/30/2001 2:36:36 PM PST by Kermit the Frog Does theWatusi
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Aquinasfan

A perilous quest...

96 posted on 11/30/2001 2:41:13 PM PST by Kermit the Frog Does theWatusi
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: freedomlover
themthemthem'olnazi'sboytheytheywasamean'olbunchyeahtheywasmeanitellyouwhat! (boomhauer)
97 posted on 11/30/2001 2:50:26 PM PST by rockfish59
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

Comment #98 Removed by Moderator

To: AMDG&BVMH
It wasn't just one or two assassination attempts that failed. They actually had a bomb on his airplane, disguised as Cointreau, that failed to go off

The only one I was aware of was the bomb attempt that was foiled at the last minute when someone at the table moved the bomb-containing briefcase to the wrong side of the oak table leg.

99 posted on 11/30/2001 4:07:48 PM PST by Aquinasfan
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 89 | View Replies]

To: rockfish59
themthemthem'olnazi'sboytheytheywasamean'olbunchyeahtheywasmeanitellyouwhat! (boomhauer)

Good one 8-)

100 posted on 11/30/2001 4:09:15 PM PST by Aquinasfan
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 97 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-5051-100101-150151-200 ... 251-263 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson