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Islam Vs. The World
Too Good Reports ^ | December 2, 2001 | Alan Caruba

Posted on 11/30/2001 10:41:31 AM PST by Stand Watch Listen

Osama bin Laden didn't intend to change Islam. He wanted to extend it to the whole of the world while returning it to some mythical golden age. What he has done, however, is roll a live grenade into every mosque everywhere in the world.

He has revealed that Islam is neither a religion of peace, nor tolerance. The deepest motivation of its believers comes less from faith, than from a contempt for all unbelievers that is deeply imbedded in Islam. Islam does not free the believer's soul; it enslaves it, because Islam literally means submission. For those eager for spiritual certainty, Islam provides it and this may account for its success.

This accounts for the vast silence of Islam following the vicious attack suffered by the United States on September 11, 2001. It is the silence of fear. It is the silence of guilt. It is the silence of resentment. It is the silence of hubris. All the major advances of mankind have come from the West. The daily news releases from the Council on American-Islamic Relations begin "In the name of Allah, the Compassionate, the Merciful..." This is obscene. Their releases obsess about the treatment of a mere handful of Muslims suspected of participating in or planning more evil, many of them here illegally.

The images flooding our television screens show Afghan people mired in a world that existed centuries ago, soldiers in rags and sandals, women freed from the veil who can smile again, but starvation threatens the population. Afghanistan lacks a modern system of roads, hospitals, all the signposts of modernity. For many other Islamic nations, only the weapons of war signal any concession to modern times.

The educated elite of Islamic nations have none of the rights Americans take for granted. No free speech. No free press. No freedom of religion. No human rights. Nothing in Islam has restrained its terrorist fundamentalists from waging war on America and in dozens of other nations around the world. Islam is about jihad, holy war until all submit to this parody of faith, this empty promise of moral superiority.

Few Islamic scholars or clerics have spoken out to condemn Terror Tuesday. One who did, Ahmad al-Baghdadi, a Kuwaiti professor, asked the right questions. "Persecuting intellectuals in the courtrooms (of Arab countries), trials (of intellectuals) for heresy...all exist only in the Islamic world. Is this not terrorism?" Turning to the way the Twin Towers were destroyed, he noted "The Palestinian Arabs were the first to invent airplane hijacking and the scaring of passengers. Is this not terrorism?" He concluded "Arab Muslims have no rivals in this; they are the masters of terrorism toward their citizens, and sometimes their terrorism also reaches the innocent people of the world, with the support of some of the clerics...(Ours) is a nation whose ignorance makes the nations of the world laugh!"

The columnist, Charles Krauthammer, writing in The Washington Post, asked, "Why must we constantly repeat that we are not at war with Islam? We never declared war on Islam. It was Islamic fanatics who, killing 4,000 Americans in the name of G-d, declared war on us."

In the days immediately following Terror Tuesday, the response from the Middle East was instructive. An Egyptian columnist, Anis Mansour, writing in Al Ahram, said, "It is true that bin Laden is insignificant compared to the US, but he managed to make her miserable, mock her power and undermine absolute confidence in her capabilities." History has already proved him wrong.

In Kuwait, saved from Iraqi enslavement by the United States, an editorial in Al-Seyassah, opined that "It is not in Washington's interest that desperation should rule in the Middle East, home to so many Arabs and Muslims, especially when theirs is a just cause." A just cause? And who or what is truly to blame for the desperation of these Muslims? In Lebanon, Faisal Salman, a columnist for As-Safir, wrote of bin Laden, asking "How can he expect support from Muslims, and what kind of jihad is he calling for?"

Everyone and most certainly every Muslim knew exactly what kind of jihad — -holy war — bin Laden was waging. It was the same jihad of the Ayatollah Komeini when Muslim revolutionaries took over Iran, a hotbed of terrorist support ever since. That revolution began by holding American diplomats hostage for 444 days. Diplomats! Since then, bin Laden plotted the bombing of our embassies in Africa. No international laws have any restraint upon those for whom Islam's victory is the only goal.

In the quest for spiritual and governmental domination of the world, Islam has had its mask ripped away and stands revealed as a warrior cult. Its attacks on those of other faiths, Judaism, Christianity, Buddhism, Hinduism, and the Sikhs, among others, condemn it and mark Muslims as a danger to all around them. This continues a long tradition, going back hundreds of years.

This is unfortunate because there are an estimated 1.2 billion Muslims in the world and one can only hope that vast numbers of them want to live in peace with their neighbors. Islam is growing. Its birthrates exceed those of other religions. What is the world to do with so many people, a sixth of the world's population, who would drag the world back to an unimaginable Dark Ages? A Third World War is in progress to determine the answer to that question.

The central problem for Islam is its deeply ingrained hatred of Jews, a people who, in the city of Medina, rejected Muhammad after he deliberately adopted many of Judaism's strictures in order to induce conversion. Today, Muslims do not eat pork because Jews do not eat pork. Today, Muslims fast for the month of Ramadan because Jews fast on Yom Kippur. Today, Muslims bury their dead in 24 hours because the Jews bury their dead in 24 hours. In the early years of Islam, worshippers faced Jerusalem as Jews traditionally do in prayer. In time, they were required to face Mecca, praying with their backs to Jerusalem.

Mohammed's sullen response was to sack Medina's Jewish community, to kill scores of the unbelievers and to sell the rest into slavery. With their stolen gold, he built a greater army and turned his attention to Mecca; Muslims now regard both these Saudi Arabian cities as sacred.

So, Islam began with a legacy of hatred of unbelievers and violence against them, and that was extended to include Christianity as Islam began a rapid expansion into North Africa, into Spain and France, and finally, to the doors of Vienna where the Ottomans suffered a defeat that kept Islam from conquering all of Europe. The legacy of hatred was deepened by the Christian Crusades, seemingly fresh memories for today's Muslims. Islam has become a stagnant pool of recrimination. Only the discovery of oil altered the lives of those living in desert kingdoms. Oil drove Western advances and oil revenue inflamed the minds of Islamic revolutionaries.

The enmity the drives Muslims is best captured in the counsel of the Koran that says, "Oh believers, take not Jews and Christians as friends; they are friends of each other. Whoso of you makes them his friends is one of them. G-d guides not the people of the evildoers."

In nations across the world, from Algeria, from the Philippines to India's Kashmir province, from the Sudan to Somalia, in Nigeria, in Indonesia, in Chechnya, in Argentina, and, of course, in Israel and throughout the Middle Eastern nations, Muslims are in conflict with their neighbors or the governments of these nations, even if those governments are Islamic!

At the very root of Islam is a corrosive hubris, an over-reaching pride and arrogance. It is redolent with the unspoken fear that Islam is invalidated by the faiths from which Mohammed fashioned it — Judaism and Christianity. Carefully, Mohammed declared the prophets of the Jews and Jesus to be the messengers that preceded him, but he declared himself the final messenger of G-d. Bin Laden declared himself the embodiment of Islam, its savior. His savagery tells us everything we need to know of a future under Islamic rule.

If Mohammed's claim is false, than all of Islam is false. This fear lies at the heart of other faiths. In First Corinthians, Chapter 15, Paul says, "But if there be no resurrection of the dead, then is Christ not risen: And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain." Such doubt is overcome only by faith and it is by faith alone that any and all religions exist.

Only the Jews, with their long history, filled with stories of those who failed the test of faith, with its flawed leaders, acknowledged the uncertainties of man's frail and rocky relationship with G-d. Judaism alone offers only one certainty; the one G-d of all mankind, indivisible and, to a significant degree, unknowable.

Unlike both Islam and Christianity, Judaism is astonishingly vague regarding life after death, concentrating its vast body of law and commentary on the moral conduct of one's life on earth. If you want certainty, Judaism offers only G-d and His commandments. "I am the Lord, and there is none else, beside Me there is no G-d." One finds in the story of Job, deliberately tested by G-d, but refusing to abandon his faith in Him, the best understanding of Judaism and its survival to this day.

The return of Jews to their Holy Land, Israel, in the last century is an affront and a threat to Islam at the same time that it is a fulfillment of Jewish faith and the Christian hope for Christ's return. The return of Jews was initiated by the small European movement called Zionism in the late 1800s and exacerbated by the wholesale murder of Jews throughout Europe in the 1900s.

Little wonder the entire world of Islam shifted its gaze to the land of Israel and those it calls its "occupiers." Israel has become the resurrection devoutly prayed for by both Jews and Christians, but in the minds of Muslims, Jews must be driven from Israel to validate an Islam that began in 622 AD, 1380 years ago. The hypocrisy of this effort is seen in the fact that Jerusalem is never mentioned in the Koran and never regarded, except for political gain, as a holy city by Islam.

Islam is challenged, too, in this modern era by the status it assigns all women. By the dictates of the Koran, male children receive twice the portion of inheritance to that of female children, it takes the testimony of two women to equal that of one man, women have no right to divorce, and the Koran even exempts the rape of slave girls as a sin. Injustice and inequity to women, half the population of the earth, is integral to Islam.

Bin Laden's campaign, the culmination of the ayatollahs' takeover of Iran in the late 1970s by militant Muslims and the spreading of the Wahabbi version of Islam by Saudi Arabia, has forced modern Muslims to take a serious look at their religion. However, if you are looking for or expecting a rationale response, you will not find it. These are people who are capable of believing anything their imams tell them. The Koran is central to their worldview, not the realities of the world. Those are to be overcome by jihad.

Some few Muslims are asking the questions raised by Muqtedar Khan, a political scientist living in Michigan, who posted "A Memo to American Muslims" on his Web site. The Indian-born Muslim said that his fellow Muslims were "practicing hypocrisy on a grand scale" by protesting Israeli treatment of Palestinians, but ignoring far worse human rights abuses by Muslim governments.

"It is our responsibility to prevent people from abusing Islam," said Khan. "We should have made sure that September 11th never happened." Reportedly, by mid-November, he had garnered 230,000 hits on his website. Many rebuked him for "selling out" to America, others said he over-reacted. No, he reacted as any decent, G-d-fearing human would and should.

Contrast that with the reaction of Howard University graduate student, Altaf Husain, the national president of the Muslim Student Association. "You will not find anybody that agrees with 90 percent of what (Khan) says...He's not addressing American Muslims. But Khan is! Their response, in their mosques and in their homes, will determine the future of Islam in America.

Bin Laden has done to Muslims and to Islam what no previous outrage had achieved. Now for all the world to see, bin Laden had shown how utterly ruthless and utterly immoral, and utterly debased Islam has become. To Western eyes, he has shamed all Muslims everywhere. The silence of Muslims before and since Terror Tuesday has purchased a retribution none of them imagined possible.

Bin Laden has destroyed the myth of a "peaceful" Islam forever, but only for the West. In the Allah-besotted Middle East where Sunni Muslims believe everything is predestined, Islam will slip comfortably back into its cesspool of recrimination where it has wallowed for centuries.

Quo vadis, Islam? Whither goest thou? We do not know the answer to the future of Islam, but we do know Islam cannot continue as it has. We know, too, that only Islam can save Islam. It must have its own Reformation, its own Enlightenment, or, failing that, it too shall fail. Not in our lifetimes, but surely before this new millennium ends.

I do not believe we have been witness to the revival and resurgence of Islam. I believe we are witness to its death throes.

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1 posted on 11/30/2001 10:41:31 AM PST by Stand Watch Listen
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To: Stand Watch Listen
It must have its own Reformation, its own Enlightenment,

It cannot: it has no Savior............

2 posted on 11/30/2001 11:01:57 AM PST by Elsie
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To: Stand Watch Listen
He has revealed that Islam is neither a religion of peace, nor tolerance.

Bull. He has merely revealed that he and his followers are men of neither peace nor tolerance. And they will reap what they have sown.
3 posted on 11/30/2001 11:15:09 AM PST by eastsider
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To: Stand Watch Listen
Brings to mind an interesting question:

Was Afghanistan in Dar al-Islam? For now it surely has pulled by main strength into Dar al-Harb.

Keep playing, al-Quaeda.

4 posted on 11/30/2001 11:19:01 AM PST by an amused spectator
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To: Elsie
If Mohammed's claim is false, than all of Islam is false. This fear lies at the heart of other faiths. In First Corinthians, Chapter 15, Paul says, "But if there be no resurrection of the dead, then is Christ not risen: And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain." Such doubt is overcome only by faith and it is by faith alone that any and all religions exist.

This is generally an informative article, with one caveat about the above paragraph. Paul's statement was not made out of fear or doubt. Rather it is a logical assertion that grounds the Christian faith, not in a religious conviction, or concoction of some idea, or some myth, but in an objective event in space/time history.

Cordially,

6 posted on 11/30/2001 11:43:42 AM PST by Diamond
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To: an amused spectator
"Was Afghanistan in Dar al-Islam? For now it surely has pulled by main strength into Dar al-Harb."

good one..

7 posted on 11/30/2001 12:08:01 PM PST by Frances_Marion
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"All the major advances of mankind have come from the West"

I disagree with this. If the editorialist means recently, I can see it...but many advances have come from past Islamic empires...mathematical advances for one...

8 posted on 11/30/2001 12:11:13 PM PST by Frances_Marion
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To: Stand Watch Listen
There's little chance for a reformation in Islam.
One of it's premisses is that Mohammad was the last prophet and there could be no other.

Only an authoratative figure would have the ability to challange or change the strictures of Islam.

(Guess they'll have to wait 'til the Mahdi appears)

9 posted on 11/30/2001 12:20:46 PM PST by freedom9
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To: Stand Watch Listen
There's little chance for a reformation in Islam.
One of it's premisses is that Mohammad was the last prophet and there could be no other.

Only an authoratative figure would have the ability to challange or change the strictures of Islam.

(Guess they'll have to wait 'til the Mahdi appears)

10 posted on 11/30/2001 12:21:11 PM PST by freedom9
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To: Frances_Marion
mathematical advances for one...

Isaac Newton, Leonhard Euler, Johann Gauss, Albert Einstein were Muslims?

11 posted on 11/30/2001 12:26:03 PM PST by Alouette
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To: Stand Watch Listen
"The legacy of hatred was deepened by the Christian Crusades, seemingly fresh memories for today's Muslims."

The Crusades were an outgrowth of Islamic intolerance towards Christian pilgrims to the Holy Land. Crusaders gave the followers of the Mad Prophet everything they deserved. Too bad they were too few to successfully scour the Holy Land of this Islamic plague.

12 posted on 11/30/2001 12:48:50 PM PST by ZULU
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To: Frances_Marion
but many advances have come from past Islamic empires...mathematical advances for one...

True. I have heard, however, that the Mohammedans ripped off the "zero" concept from India.

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Especially important were Moslem contributions to mathematics, without which the science we take for granted could not have developed. "Arabic numerals" and the concept of zero, both learned from India and dispersed to the world, revolutionized math in the West, as did algebra, a Moslem invention. Moslem medicine was the best in the world, and Moslem alchemy led to modern chemistry. A Moslem musician set out the elements of musical notation. Moslem navigators invented the astrolabe and perfected the quadrant and mariner's compass that made possible the great voyages of the Age of Discovery — as, for instance, the one by Columbus that eventually led to the formation of the United States.
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13 posted on 11/30/2001 12:55:07 PM PST by an amused spectator
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To: Stand Watch Listen
Maybe one day those idiots will figure out that jihad means mass sucide for Muslims?

I doubt it. They follow a false prophet so they may not be too bright.

14 posted on 11/30/2001 1:09:02 PM PST by boycott
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To: dennisw
ping
15 posted on 11/30/2001 3:05:02 PM PST by knighthawk
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To: hogwaller
This article is the most uneducated and uninformed piece of tripe I've read today. That means something, because I'm an editor by day.

What a great article. Tells it all. So you're an editor? LOL!

16 posted on 11/30/2001 3:14:36 PM PST by dennisw
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To: knighthawk
Thanks!
17 posted on 11/30/2001 3:14:57 PM PST by dennisw
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To: ipaq2000; Lent; veronica; Sabramerican; beowolf; Nachum; BenF; monkeyshine; angelo...
a good one!
18 posted on 11/30/2001 3:17:12 PM PST by dennisw
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To: ZULU
Amazing how the slaughter of millions of Christians by Muslims since 1915 are never mentioned. Only the Crusades.
19 posted on 11/30/2001 3:21:37 PM PST by GuillermoX
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To: dennisw; MissAmericanPie; xzins; Prodigal Daughter; 2sheep
BTT
20 posted on 11/30/2001 3:33:30 PM PST by TrueBeliever9
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To: Stand Watch Listen


21 posted on 11/30/2001 3:34:03 PM PST by knighthawk
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To: GuillermoX
bump
22 posted on 11/30/2001 4:08:16 PM PST by timestax
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To: dennisw; Fred25; RCW2001; Patria One
So when Islam is finished as a religion, will the Western commercial exploitation of their lands, and the support of dictatorial regimes in those lands which oppress their own people, stop?

Are you saying that if, say, the Palestinians converted to Christianity, or even Judaism, that the Israeli state would welcome them and give them the same full rights that Jews get?

Or if Persians were Zoroastrian instead of Muslims, they could amass the 400 nuclear weapons that Israel has, without being branded as a danger to peace?

23 posted on 11/30/2001 4:27:52 PM PST by AGAviator
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It must have its own Reformation, its own Enlightenment, or, failing that, it too shall fail.... I do not believe we have been witness to the revival and resurgence of Islam. I believe we are witness to its death throes.
From this thread:
The Northern Alliance administration, now in control of Kabul, on Friday lifted all religious restrictions imposed by the hardline Taliban in Afghanistan, saying the dark years are over.

Religious affairs minister Ataullha symbolically chose a 532-year-old Hindu temple in Kabul on a Friday, the Muslim holy day, to make the announcement.

"The dark years have gone. We are ready to give all rights to every religion," he said, blaming past atrocities on the Taliban and the Pakistani government which supported it.

24 posted on 11/30/2001 4:36:14 PM PST by eastsider
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To: an amused spectator
It is well that you are amused.

Islam did have an amusing couple of centuries, the 12th and 13th. However, the learning of Islam derived not from within, but from those bastions of the Christian Byzantine Empire the Muslims overran.

It is there that they took over the remnants and trappings of Classical Civilization, which they had handily destroyed. Northern Africa, Egypt, Lebanon, Syria, Constantinople ... those were all Christian lands, which over the centuries were forcibly converted to Islam by the sword.

The proof of the matter is that since those heady times of supposed Islamic intellectual glory, the Muslim lands have actually retrogressed. Their civilization, such as it is, is stagnant: has been for nigh on a 1,000 years.

25 posted on 11/30/2001 4:43:59 PM PST by Francohio
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To: Francohio
bump to the top!
26 posted on 11/30/2001 5:59:15 PM PST by timestax
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To: Frances_Marion
Muslims have undeniably made advances in at least one area -- that of perfecting a seething, vindictive, incoherent radicalism.

Once we take that from them they'll get really mad.... (snort!)

28 posted on 11/30/2001 6:34:33 PM PST by TimSkalaBim
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To: hogwaller
That means something, because I'm an editor by day.

For Al Jazeera? Al Hayat? What?

29 posted on 11/30/2001 6:56:43 PM PST by NixNatAVanG InDaBurgh
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To: GuillermoX
Western man spends too much time on introspection. Genghis Khan and his followers were murderers without equal but since they weren't white Europeans, no body attacks them.
30 posted on 11/30/2001 6:57:41 PM PST by ZULU
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To: Alouette; Frances_Marion
mathematical advances for one...

Isaac Newton, Leonhard Euler, Johann Gauss, Albert Einstein were Muslims?

I think he means counting on your finger and toes..a poor man caculator

31 posted on 11/30/2001 7:29:09 PM PST by RnMomof7
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To: boycott
Maybe one day those idiots will figure out that jihad means mass sucide for Muslims?

That's why I think of them as ISLEMMINGS, running for the cliff over the ocean screaming "Allah Akbar!"

32 posted on 11/30/2001 7:59:33 PM PST by Travis McGee
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To: AGAviator
Several nations have 400+ nuclear weapons, and we lose no sleep over them, because they are not run by insane death cultists.

So the answer is "yes".

33 posted on 11/30/2001 8:02:08 PM PST by Travis McGee
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To: Stand Watch Listen
It may very well end up with hasbin getting what he wants, a war between the west and Isam. If that does happen a word of warning Be careful what you ask for....you just might get it. One thing you can say about the west is we are very very good at war.
34 posted on 11/30/2001 8:25:18 PM PST by Valin
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To: dennisw
thanks for the bump (I gave you credit on another thread wrongly... I hit the wrong link=o)
35 posted on 11/30/2001 9:08:36 PM PST by GeronL
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To: RnMomof7
I think he means counting on your finger and toes..a poor man caculator

Chisenbop allows counts to 10,000 on fingers & toes.

38 posted on 11/30/2001 9:34:16 PM PST by magglepuss
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To: hogwaller; Stand Watch Listen; dennisw; veronica; Physicist
That means something, because "I'm an editor by day."

That "means something," where?

In islamcityonline, perhaps?

In Gaza?

In the little theater between your ears?

You insult our intelligence!

[Don't quit your day job, you and Art Buchwald are the lucky couple!]

39 posted on 11/30/2001 11:07:53 PM PST by Brian Allen
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To: TimSkalaBim; Frances_Marion; dennisw; veronica
Muslims have undeniably made advances in at least one area -- that of perfecting a seething, vindictive, incoherent radicalism.

And it is more than likely that the life and times of Derr pagan-heathen, death and destruction worshipping, blasphemous, false "Feurher Mohammed" offered all of the inspiration that was needed to the pagan-heathen, death and destruction worshipping, blasphemous, false "Prophet Hitler," whose "1000-year reich" simply added a dash of marxism and the modern machinery of death and destruction to a mix that has served Derr Feurher Mohammed's followers since about 650AD!

40 posted on 11/30/2001 11:39:25 PM PST by Brian Allen
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To: hogwaller
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And NOW your an editor by day! Since your vast knowledge of the history of Islam comes from your experience as an editor by day, what exactly do you edit?

You stated:"The entire Muslim world condemned, in no uncertain terms, the attacks of 9/11.

I don't know about you, but I did not read a single condemnation of the attacks by any Muslim "leader" that I considered to be in "no uncertain terms." They were all rather weak and conditional. They all seemed to try to squeeze some blame onto America's policy towards Israel. They were "in no uncertain terms" equivocal.

42 posted on 12/01/2001 1:22:25 AM PST by P-Marlowe
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To: hogwaller; dennisw; veronica
Pravda can be said to have enlightened the ignorant.

As did the Prophet Hitler's cousin, JosephAli Goebells.

Cordially

Brian

43 posted on 12/01/2001 1:23:44 AM PST by Brian Allen
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To: Travis McGee
We lose no sleep over them, because they are not run by insane death cultists.

A few years back, Iran offered to underwrite Pakistan's entire military budget for 10 years in exchange for Pakistani nuclear know-how. Pakistan turned them down. We still slapped Pakistan with sanctions. Now, of course, they're our ally.

And Sudan offered voluminous intelligence on Al-Quaida in 1993, including several principals in the embassy bombings and the WTC attacks. The US State Department is said to have turned it down, because the conventional wisdom was that Sudan was trying to ingratiate themselves with us by embellishing their information.

But because of our "death cultist" interpretation of those people we were prevented from listening to them and getting them th help us.

44 posted on 12/01/2001 1:32:08 AM PST by AGAviator
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To: hogwaller
All I hear about Islam on this thread is of the same tone and timbre that every ignorant society has foisted upon another people when they're afraid of the future.

Perhaps you should cup your perceptive ear toward the Middle East, and listen to the shrill voices of those who could maybe benefit from your wisdom.

46 posted on 12/01/2001 2:31:12 AM PST by TimSkalaBim
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To: All
The posts appearing on many of these threads are truly revealing. I wander if those who profess to be Christians and who spout scripture realize just how un-Christ-like their attitudes and behaviors actually are?

I employ you to listen to yourselves and to each other. Ask yourselves how Jesus would feel about the things you say and the way you say them. Ask yourself, if your statements, claims, half-truths, and out-right lies, intentional or otherwise, is the way that Jesus set out to spread the Gospel.

In all honesty, if I were not a Muslim and was seeking a religion, the comments and attitudes of Christians in this forum would not entice me to continue my investigation into the Christian faith.

Believe it or not, Muslims are told that Christians are the closest to us in faith.

A a very, very little known fact is that the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) had such confidence in the "righteousness" of the Christian King of what was then, Abyssinia, that he sent a group of Muslims there for protection when pagan Arabs had set out to destroy the Muslims.

The Christian King did in fact protect the Muslims. He told the Muslims that they were welcomed to stay in Abyssinia for as long as they wanted and, he told the pagan Arabs, with whom he had official diplomatic relations at the time, that the distance between Islam and Christianity was no greater than a line in the sand that was drawn with his staff.

47 posted on 12/01/2001 5:39:21 AM PST by EclipseVI
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To: EclipseVI
Memebr since when?

Listen, wherever you go you'll hear the same thing...

muslims are NOT out there condemning the terrorist acts of other muslims

muslims are NOT out there trying to differentiate themselves from terrorist muslims

muslims are NOT out there trying to do anything to catch muslim terrorists

musims are NOT out there trying to prevent further terrorist attacks

Why not???

48 posted on 12/01/2001 5:48:31 AM PST by Principled
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To: Principled
Memebr since when?

Actually, I'm not sure what the length of time one has been a member has to do with anything. Could someone fill me in?

Listen, wherever you go you'll hear the same thing... muslims are NOT out there condemning the terrorist acts of other muslims; muslims are NOT out there trying to differentiate themselves from terrorist muslims; muslims are NOT out there trying to do anything to catch muslim terrorists; musims are NOT out there trying to prevent further terrorist attacks. Why not???

Actually, this is not true. You probably wouldn't believe this but most people show great interest in Islam since 911, and want to engage me in meaningful and civil dialogue about Islam. Many ask me to provide books, videos, and other literature; and, of course I do. My wife is one who choses to wear the traditional Hijab when outside the home. This is met, in the vast majority of cases with smiles, waves, and attempts to communicate as time permits.

I can assure you that your assessment of how Muslims are, in general, being treated and responded to in America is most inaccurate.

You see, with the increasing numbers of Muslims in America, many Americans either personally know, have met and spoken with, or at least have seen a Muslim, and their experience with those Muslims stands in stark contrast to what Osama and the media would have us believe.

When people stop us at the mall or grocery store to make small talk, My wife and I say they are trying to reconcile what their personal experiences are showing them with what they are shown by the media.

Really, its amusing to us.

49 posted on 12/01/2001 6:11:16 AM PST by EclipseVI
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To: EclipseVI
Actually, I'm not sure what the length of time one has been a member has to do with anything. Could someone fill me in?

It is quite common for individuals to begin posting immediately following a newsworthy event. In the majority of cases, those idividuals begin posting in order to type extreme ideas regarding the said event(s).

You are one such individual.

50 posted on 12/01/2001 6:47:28 AM PST by Principled
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