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U.N. flag ordered down
Jamaica Plain Gazette | November 30, 2001 | Fabiana Montoya Scanlan

Posted on 12/02/2001 9:31:00 AM PST by ElectricStrawberry

When the United Nations flag went up on Oct. 24 at Jamaica Pond, it was meant to be a significant statement about people living together in peace and a way to recognize the important role the United Nations is playing in the war on terrorism.

Now, just a few weeks later, the flag has been taken down because it made "some people" uncomfortable according to Gerry Wright, the president of the Jamaica Pond Project.

Although the Jamaica Pond Project received approval from city officials to fly the flag along with POW/MIA and city flags and below the American flag, calls were made to the Office of Justine Liff, Commissioner of Parks and Recreation, requesting that the flag be taken down.

"I thought [flying the UN flag] was a great idea, but it made some people uncomfortable, so we had to respect their wishes," said Mary Hines, spokesperson for the Parks department.

She said around a dozen people felt it was not appropriate to fly the United Nations flag with the American flag. Since the Parks Department only received messages, she said it was hard to speculate who the complainers were.

At present, the United Nations is playing a key role around the world and in Afghanistan.

President George W. Bush said in his first address to the United Nations on Nov. 10, "The United States will work closely with the United Nations and development banks to reconstruct Afghanistan after hostilities there have ceased and the Taliban are no longer in control. And the United States will work with the U.N. to support a post-Taliban government that represents all the Afghan people."

Although Wright was disappointed to take the flag down, he complied after reading the Preamble, Purposes and Principles of the Charter of the United Nations.

According to the charter, "the people of the United Nations are determined to practice tolerance and live together in peace with one another as good neighbors."

Wright said, "To me, the Preamble, Purposes and Priciples were why we put the flag up and then took it down."

For Wright, seeing the flag at Jamaica Pond was significant to "the environment and the poor people throughout the world." He said he admires the United Nations' interest in human rights and actions as a peace keeping force.

Wright said he thought it was crucial to have the United Nations flag not only because of the September 11 tragedy, but also to shed more light on the everyday struggles of people around the world.

Hines, who said the citywide policy is only to fly the American, POW/MIA and city flags commented that Wright and Christine Cooper, Project Directer and Park Keeper, put a lot of thought into their idea. She said, "We could not run Jamaica Pond without Gerry and Christine."

Now the flag has found a new home inside the First Church Unitarian Universalist of Jamaica Plain. The Jamaica Pond Project donated the flag to the church, and the church accepted.

Reverend Terry Burke said, "We are pleased to accept the gift of the United Nations flag from the Pond Project. We are proud to be providing a sanctuary for the flag."


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1 posted on 12/02/2001 9:31:00 AM PST by ElectricStrawberry
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To: ElectricStrawberry
Living here in JP, the Boston area land of liberals and lesbians, I have put up with much abuse over the years from these nut-balls. I happened to be one of those "some people" and the word "uncomfortable" did not come out of my mouth in my message. Most of what I said could not be printed. This was the first time that I tried something as an individual and actually got my reward.
2 posted on 12/02/2001 9:31:42 AM PST by ElectricStrawberry
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To: Little Bill; RaceBannon; ladyjane; awestk; michaelje; Big Guy and Rusty 99; jonatron
Activism at work PING
3 posted on 12/02/2001 9:33:52 AM PST by ElectricStrawberry
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To: ElectricStrawberry
You GO! I would haved loved to have heard a direct quote from you. We do not live under the tutelage of the UN....we are the United States.
4 posted on 12/02/2001 9:34:46 AM PST by dansangel
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To: ElectricStrawberry
PS...I used to live in Crapachusetts. You have my sincerest sympathies!
5 posted on 12/02/2001 9:36:05 AM PST by dansangel
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To: ElectricStrawberry
Great going!
6 posted on 12/02/2001 9:37:51 AM PST by flanew
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To: ElectricStrawberry
Excellent! It is a victory everytime that flag comes down. Well Done!
7 posted on 12/02/2001 9:39:22 AM PST by JD86
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To: ElectricStrawberry
You devil, I never would have thought you would be involved, LOL.
8 posted on 12/02/2001 9:40:43 AM PST by Little Bill
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To: ElectricStrawberry
It is a damn shame that they would not let you publicly burn it to "assuage your discomfort"!!!

Eaker

9 posted on 12/02/2001 9:41:11 AM PST by Eaker
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To: ElectricStrawberry
The First Church Unitarian Universalist is the type of place one would expect to see the UN flag! They've watered down the gospel with leftist ideaology, why not just jump right in with the global socialists with both feet. Pathetic!

baa

10 posted on 12/02/2001 9:41:14 AM PST by woollyone
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To: ElectricStrawberry
Now if we could just get that big building on the Hudson River to go away and take all the UN flags with them.
11 posted on 12/02/2001 9:41:23 AM PST by vladog
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To: ratcat; B4Ranch; ppaul; Libertina
>>>>"I thought [flying the UN flag] was a great idea, but it made some people uncomfortable, so we had to respect their wishes," said Mary Hines, spokesperson for the Parks department.<<<<

Mary Hines = moron

12 posted on 12/02/2001 9:41:27 AM PST by TrueBeliever9
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To: woollyone
>>>The First Church Unitarian Universalist <<<

Stand for nothing - fall for everything!

13 posted on 12/02/2001 9:42:26 AM PST by TrueBeliever9
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To: TrueBeliever9
How rude of you. You just insulted all the morons of the world.
14 posted on 12/02/2001 9:44:04 AM PST by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: ElectricStrawberry
...the flag has been taken down because it made "some people" uncomfortable...

The idea is catching on.

15 posted on 12/02/2001 9:44:33 AM PST by Prince Caspian
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To: ElectricStrawberry
At present, the United Nations is playing a key role around the world and in Afghanistan

Yeah. Right.

16 posted on 12/02/2001 9:44:57 AM PST by paul51
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To: ElectricStrawberry
"Now, just a few weeks later, the flag has been taken down because it made "some people" uncomfortable according to Gerry Wright, the president of the Jamaica Pond Project."

Is being "uncomfortable" anything like having a deep philosophical objection, or being just plain angry [or both]?

17 posted on 12/02/2001 9:48:10 AM PST by R W Reactionairy
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To: TrueBeliever9
">>>The First Church Unitarian Universalist <<<"

Catchall religion for a One World government.

18 posted on 12/02/2001 9:50:02 AM PST by rdavis84
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To: Little Bill
All I really did was make an anonymous phone call from a pay phone with a voice digitizer. You don't know which agency they'll sic on you if they know who the cussing, swearing, "uncomfortable" people are.

A dozen phone calls and we get action.

I wonder how many phone calls it takes for the libs to get action--maybe they should swear more.

19 posted on 12/02/2001 9:50:54 AM PST by ElectricStrawberry
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To: vladog
Now if we could just get that big building on the Hudson River to go away and take all the UN flags with them.

The key here is to take down the UN flag(s) and keep the building. Lord knows NYC needs some PRODUCTIVE office space.

20 posted on 12/02/2001 9:58:26 AM PST by X-USAF
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To: ElectricStrawberry
One, as we have seen from the last few years they all play from the same script. One call and the programming kicks in and because they can't do math one becomes a lot.

To be a liberal socalist means you do not have to think.

21 posted on 12/02/2001 9:59:04 AM PST by Little Bill
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To: ElectricStrawberry
All I really did was make an anonymous phone call from a pay phone with a voice digitizer. You don't know which agency they'll sic on you if they know who the cussing, swearing, "uncomfortable" people are.

Duly noted.

& Laughing a lot!

22 posted on 12/02/2001 10:00:49 AM PST by abner
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To: ElectricStrawberry
Good for you! As I was reading this, I was thinking, "AT LAST, they are listening to US!!!"
23 posted on 12/02/2001 10:03:08 AM PST by Howlin
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To: ElectricStrawberry
"I thought [flying the UN flag] was a great idea said Mary Hines, spokesperson for the Parks department.

Thats what you get for thinking you big dummy!!

24 posted on 12/02/2001 10:03:43 AM PST by Brownie74
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To: ElectricStrawberry
Good job ElectricStrawberry. Massachusetts may be difficult in some ways but you have that beautiful Jamaica Pond to walk around and the little skating house with a roaring fire and hot chocolate in the winter. AND no UN flag flying above!
25 posted on 12/02/2001 10:05:36 AM PST by ladyjane
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To: ElectricStrawberry
Now the flag has found a new home inside the First Church Unitarian Universalist of Jamaica Plain.

Now, if someone burned that flag and the church caught on fire, would that freedom of expression or arson?

26 posted on 12/02/2001 10:06:32 AM PST by Faraday
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To: ElectricStrawberry
Fools
27 posted on 12/02/2001 10:07:09 AM PST by classygreeneyedblonde
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To: Faraday
Now the flag has found a new home inside the First Church Unitarian Universalist of Jamaica Plain.

Now, if someone burned that flag and the church caught on fire, would that be freedom of expression or arson?

Sorry.

29 posted on 12/02/2001 10:16:46 AM PST by Faraday
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To: ElectricStrawberry
Who gives a damn about their flippin' flag?Get the UN and ALL it's trapings off of US soil!
30 posted on 12/02/2001 10:31:45 AM PST by kennyo
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To: ElectricStrawberry
Good for you. The UN playing a key role? Nah...They are just butting in; as usual.
31 posted on 12/02/2001 10:34:55 AM PST by freekitty
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Excellent post!

Now if I wanted to go out in public and burn a U.N. flag in protest, would I need some kind of permit? Or do the laws differ from state to state? I seriously asking here because I don't know and happened to acquire a U.N. flag I'd like to light up in public.

32 posted on 12/02/2001 10:39:13 AM PST by MadHatter3175
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To: MadHatter3175
It would be a city fire code you'd have to check... maybe a protest permit is needed too if you are going to be on public property, like a sidewalk or street, with a large number of people that could block traffic or such. Outside of city limits, it might be under county regs, if anyone would care at all.
33 posted on 12/02/2001 10:54:59 AM PST by piasa
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To: ElectricStrawberry
That flag is very dangerous especially at Jamacia Pond. The Jamacia Way is a narrow curvey four lane road which has claimed many lives over the years. It runs by the Pond. Anyone catching the UN Flag out of the corner of their eye could easily get distracted, especially a non liberal. If you don't die in a head on collision, you just might plough into one of the hundreds of massive trees at the edge of the road.

Its removal is just not a political cause, it's a matter of personal safety. Get it off that Unitarian Universalist church as well for the same reasons. Sue them as a safety hazard.

34 posted on 12/02/2001 10:56:48 AM PST by LoneRangerMassachusetts
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To: MadHatter3175
Shucks, I went over there and posted 3 posts that AGREED with them and they still banned me in 30 minutes! I guess it may have been the fact that I was a wee bit over kill that gave me away! LOL. Reregistered and asked why. Got banned in 12 minutes that time! LOL.

I now stay away. You become the sum totla of what you input into your mind. Dissenting opinion is fine but their stuff is filth and garbage. I do not have the personal strength to feast on their trash and stay positive and happy. So I stay away.

35 posted on 12/02/2001 11:15:29 AM PST by smoking camels
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To: ElectricStrawberry
Flag burning has something to recommend it. But that, probably, would be taken as breaking the law.
36 posted on 12/02/2001 11:21:36 AM PST by RobbyS
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To: smoking camels
sorry. got my threads mixed up...BADLY I think!

Here is what I meant to say to Madhatter...

Just a tip. Invite all the media. Make an event out of it. Study how the other guys get the airtime and copy their tactics...to a point of course. let the media know it will be a Afghan relateed protest maybe. Guerilla warfare pal.

read "Guerilla marketing". It will give you ideas for this and for life. I personally enjoy quiet activism. I got stopped recently by a jerk of a cop. I called his super and complained. BUT, 2 years ago I got stopped by a very nice and professional cop. Got a ticket. I called his super and complimented.

I believe positive reinforcemnet is as important as complaining. We will win because we seek truth and good and right for all.

Sunday sermon over folks...good bye! LOL

37 posted on 12/02/2001 11:23:33 AM PST by smoking camels
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To: TrueBeliever9
I did a college paper on Unitarian-Universalism. What a fundamentally dishonest bunch of whackjobs, those dancing and prancing Unitarians.
38 posted on 12/02/2001 11:30:15 AM PST by BrucefromMtVernon
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To: smoking camels
These hacks are afraid of public opinion, if you make enough noise they head for the shadows. This has been proven time and time again. You have to watch them though they have a tendancy to be sneaky, never turn your back.
39 posted on 12/02/2001 11:33:06 AM PST by Little Bill
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To: ladyjane; Little Bill
It just so happens that the front page picture in the same Gazette is of a protest at the corner of Pond St. and the Jamaicaway.

It just so happens that the flag appeared at that intersection on October 24th.

It just so happens that this intersection has a constantly changing stop light for pedestrians.

It just so happens that within ONE WEEK of the U.N. flag raising an 80-year-old Jamaica Plain resident was tragicly killed by a car travelling 30 MPH on this road.

I wanna know if the woman was crossing against the light or if the driver was too busy looking at the U.N. flag to pay attention to the situation?

If the latter, how many more innocent people must die because of a foreign flag? I know I only saw it because I was riding by on my motorcycle. I almost blew the red light myself in my anger.

Remember ignorant drivers don't kill pedestrians, people who fly obnoxious flags at dangerous intersections kill pedestrians.

40 posted on 12/02/2001 11:42:49 AM PST by ElectricStrawberry
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To: Little Bill
They have a pic ont the Gazette website that is terrifying. I can't figure out if he is raising that flag or taking it down. It is probably the former, but I can at least think it's the latter and be happy.

UN Flag lowering

Enjoy

41 posted on 12/02/2001 11:55:27 AM PST by ElectricStrawberry
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To: ElectricStrawberry
Who is the old guy? Looks like a 60s retread, is he wearing a Mao Jacket?
42 posted on 12/02/2001 12:12:59 PM PST by Little Bill
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To: ElectricStrawberry
Good Job! - Justice has been done. Next time alert us so all MA freepers can get involved
44 posted on 12/02/2001 12:33:22 PM PST by jonatron
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To: ElectricStrawberry
This was the first time that I tried something as an individual and actually got my reward.

No repent to the unrepenting.

45 posted on 12/02/2001 12:35:23 PM PST by lavaroise
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To: ElectricStrawberry
Good Job!
46 posted on 12/02/2001 12:36:58 PM PST by c-b 1
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To: paul51
At present, the United Nations is playing a key role around the world and in Afghanistan

Well they are, aren't they? Let's see..........

.......they keep bringing our attention to the "poor" Taliban who are getting bombed...

.....In the interest of keeping "The Peace", they ignore atrocities conducted against those who aren't card carrying Reds like they are.........

.....they play a "key" role, they sure do.

47 posted on 12/02/2001 12:44:53 PM PST by He Rides A White Horse
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To: ElectricStrawberry
the important role the United Nations is playing in the war on terrorism.

Which would be exactly what? Recognizing the PLO? Sampling caviar while the Hutus and Tutsis were making chum of each other in Rwanda? Stumbling over themselves in the Balkans and now in Afghanistan? Aiding the Christians being slaughtered in Somalia and the Sudan? Protecting white farmers in Zimbabwe and South Africa?

Not only is the UN not playing an important role in combating terrorism, they are a front organization for their own brand of terrorism, and an insult to every American soldier who fought for this nation's sovereignty.

If their flag were accurate, it would be a single yellow stripe on a field of fecal brown.

48 posted on 12/02/2001 12:52:44 PM PST by IronJack
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To: BrucefromMtVernon
>>>>What a fundamentally dishonest bunch of whackjobs, those dancing and prancing UN-itarians

YEP

50 posted on 12/02/2001 1:02:54 PM PST by TrueBeliever9
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