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Survey finds 10 partners before marriage 'normal'
Drudge ^ | 10th December 2001 | Ananova

Posted on 12/09/2001 9:59:41 PM PST by Don Myers

Survey finds 10 partners before marriage 'normal'

The majority of young people think it is normal for a person to have at least 10 sexual partners before marriage.

A survey has also found that three in 10 believe it is acceptable for a girl to lose her virginity before the age of 15.

Research carried out by Brook, the youth sex advisory service, says there is a "cultural change" in young people's attitudes towards sex.

Some 64% of men and 54% of women agreed that it was acceptable for a person to sleep with more than 10 partners before getting married.

But the survey, which questioned people aged 17 to 25, also showed that they wanted more information about sex and contraception.

Men admitted to getting most of their knowledge about contraception from TV and magazines, while women learned the most from magazines and their mothers.

Half of all the young women surveyed said they wished that teachers had supplied them with more information about preventing pregnancy and sexually transmitted diseases.

Brook chief executive Jan Barlow said: "Young people have an increasing number of sexual partners and they are saying that's OK.

"But at the same time they don't have the information and access to services that they need.

"Young people must seek out advice and information in order to make their choices and to understand how to protect themselves both against pregnancy and sexually transmitted diseases."


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To: joathome
VERY true.
51 posted on 12/10/2001 7:57:00 AM PST by homeschool mama
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To: Don Myers
10 still seems high even by today's standards. Number of partners before marriage for moi=0. Number of partners after 20 years of marriage=-1. :D
52 posted on 12/10/2001 7:58:39 AM PST by madison10
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To: proud patriot
If America does not return to Christ soon, it will deserve to be dominated by the Muslims.

Thank you Mullah Omar.

How are things with the Talibornagain?

53 posted on 12/10/2001 8:01:13 AM PST by Cogadh na Sith
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To: pcl
While these parents are rasing their kids to be pure, do they also teach contraception and protection from STDs

Of course! If you don't have sex you don't get pregnant or get sexual diseases. DUH! In fact, purity is the ONLY method that works 100% against both of these events.

God Save America (Please)

54 posted on 12/10/2001 8:20:01 AM PST by John O
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To: madison10
"10 still seems high even by today's standards."

I have been watching teens at work. I have a job working around teens. Ten is a conservative number.

55 posted on 12/10/2001 8:46:59 AM PST by Don Myers
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To: Artist
While results in the US might be much the same, this survey does come from a British source.

Thanks for pointing that out. I thought it was an American survey. I wonder how the U.S. compares.

56 posted on 12/10/2001 8:48:36 AM PST by my_pointy_head_is_sharp
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To: Office Manager
Amen to that, Office Manager.

You are not the only one out there to be saving yourself for marriage. Take it from this 33-year old. (Actually, I'm glad I read your post...I was beggining to think *I* was the only one out there!).

It is difficult to meet the "right guy" these days though. I don't know where the nice, responsible guys are these days, but unfortunately, I haven't been meeting them! lol!

58 posted on 12/10/2001 9:08:43 AM PST by Peace4EarthNow
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To: Don Myers
Soundd like they are getting quite a sexual education and will pass down there lowered ethics to their children as a result.
60 posted on 12/10/2001 9:19:27 AM PST by A CA Guy
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To: A CA Guy
"Soundd like they are getting quite a sexual education and will pass down there lowered ethics to their children as a result."

That is what has happened to this generation. It will continue getting worse. Morality is largely a thing of the past, and doing whatever feels good is the order of our times.

61 posted on 12/10/2001 9:23:01 AM PST by Don Myers
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To: Don Myers
I believe they are confusing the terms "normal" and "common".
Ten may be "common", but that does not make it "normal".
This faulty logic is behind the "everyone does it" rationale.

MI
62 posted on 12/10/2001 9:26:40 AM PST by My Identity
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To: proud patriot
It is rather stupid to confuse Christianity and the false religion of Islam.

Then why would you make a stupid statement like: "If America doesn't turn back to Christ, it deserves to be ruled by Muslims".

That seems to confuse the two.

Some patriot you are--you and OBL see America the same way. You simply disagree on what you call 'God' and the 'book'.

64 posted on 12/10/2001 9:27:23 AM PST by Cogadh na Sith
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To: Republican Wildcat
There's this concept called self-control you should try practicing

Funny how the ones who are married and don't have to sleep alone are always the ones saying that.

65 posted on 12/10/2001 9:29:53 AM PST by alpowolf
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To: my_pointy_head_is_sharp
"Thanks for pointing that out. I thought it was an American survey. I wonder how the U.S. compares."

I understand it is much the same. Some people say that Britain is further down the road, but I don't think so. Britain and America have been exchanging cultures for many years now. The results have not been good.

Conditions are rapidly declining now. I was last in Britain some 12 years ago. We were able to walk down London streets without thought of crime. My parents-in-law were there about 3 or 4 years ago, and they said that pickpockets are really a problem now. There are signs posted telling people to beware of the pickpockets. That is only one thing that has changed for the worst in recent years. The decline is coming faster.

In America, we have the rapid spread of drugs. The teens are especially fond of "ecstacy." They are using other drugs as well. As for sex, girls on a casual date are expected to put out. They know the rules and they comply.

I saw a survey once that said that the average age in America for a girl to lose her virginity is down to 16. And that is the average age. Many teens are fond of "parties" with booze, drugs, and sex. The schools are now handing out condoms. Many teens use the condoms, but others don't. I was driving around some boys the other day. They were listening to a local radio station that was playing the standard filth that the young people listen to now. The radio DJ made a comment about, "fill her faster than a drunken prom date."

Sex, drugs, and booze is what the young people know, and this generation is a real "interesting" group.

66 posted on 12/10/2001 9:35:00 AM PST by Don Myers
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To: Don Myers
Well, I was a parent who supported teaching abstinence before marriage and it worked for my four children who are now married adults.

Oh, sorry...forgot that sleeping around at age 15 and having multiple partners in a world full of deadly STDs is "normal".

I'm probably a lousy parent by today's standards...

67 posted on 12/10/2001 9:38:32 AM PST by LizM
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To: My Identity
"Ten may be "common", but that does not make it "normal"."

What is normal to one does not have to be normal to someone else. If you work at an Instutition for the Criminally Insane, the common thing is for the person there to be an insane criminal. They do outnumber the staff members. For most of the people there to be criminally insane establishes the commonality and normalcy as deviant behavior to the staff members who are not insane or criminals.

On the other hand, the individual insane criminal can see the staff members as being deviant and different from him- or herself. In the way that the Institution is a society, the situation is the same in the larger society, which is our nation.

What is common and normal for the larger proportion of society establishes both the commonality and the normalcy for that society. That is why the left has been so busy changing society to its own image of what is normal and common. They have used different means to achieve their ends, but they have been very successful. And you can see just how successful they have been by comparing how our society is now based on what it was not so many years ago.

This change can not be solely attributed to a rule of evolution of a society based on advances. The changes have been both technological and moral. It is the moral change in which we now find out ourselves up the proverbial creek.

68 posted on 12/10/2001 9:47:54 AM PST by Don Myers
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To: LizM
"I'm probably a lousy parent by today's standards..."

Well, I guess that your behavior was not normal based on the rest of society, but it is highly commendable and desirable.

69 posted on 12/10/2001 9:49:35 AM PST by Don Myers
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To: alpowolf
"Funny how the ones who are married and don't have to sleep alone are always the ones saying that."

You could, perhaps, try marriage yourself. There is someone for everyone.

70 posted on 12/10/2001 9:50:37 AM PST by Don Myers
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To: alpowolf
Maybe they're just wankers.
71 posted on 12/10/2001 10:03:54 AM PST by Cogadh na Sith
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To: Don Myers
A lot of you may not remember, but conservatives warned about all of this when they opened the first drive-in theaters.
72 posted on 12/10/2001 10:10:19 AM PST by IanSherwood
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To: Don Myers
I read recently that, notwithstanding this article's thesis, the average number of sex partners prior to marriage for most people is 4 or 5. A far cry from 10.
74 posted on 12/10/2001 10:17:45 AM PST by Bush2000
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To: Bush2000
"I read recently that, notwithstanding this article's thesis, the average number of sex partners prior to marriage for most people is 4 or 5. A far cry from 10."

Reminds me of a Churchill joke. Remember the one about, we have already established what you are, we are now negotiating the price?

75 posted on 12/10/2001 10:31:53 AM PST by Don Myers
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To: Don Myers
Wow. Apparently this 20 year old is abnormal -- I'm waiting for marriage.
76 posted on 12/10/2001 10:32:56 AM PST by patricktschetter
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To: John O
Did I understand you correctly? If you teach kids to be pure, there is not need to specifically teach them about contraception and STDs?
77 posted on 12/10/2001 10:47:50 AM PST by pcl
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To: chookter
***How are things with the Talibornagain? ***

That comment was completely unnecessary.

78 posted on 12/10/2001 10:54:58 AM PST by homeschool mama
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To: semper_libertas
highschool boy knows what the h3ll a condom is..

It is a well known fact that many males would prefer to avoid the raincoat. It is really the girls that need to know about condoms, where to get them, how to apply them them in a manner that will be acceptable to their hot male buddy and how to judge if they are being used properly.

79 posted on 12/10/2001 10:56:03 AM PST by pcl
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To: F16Fighter
Where do they find these mutants?

They're the offspring of other mutants.

80 posted on 12/10/2001 10:57:09 AM PST by kstewskis
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To: Don Myers
You could, perhaps, try marriage yourself.

Always wanted to. But it takes two.

There is someone for everyone

Another platitude usually offered by someone who already has someone. Sort of like a fat guy telling a starving person that "food isn't all it's cracked up to be".

81 posted on 12/10/2001 10:57:42 AM PST by alpowolf
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To: homeschool mama
That comment was completely unnecessary.

But his comment about America deserving to be ruled by Muslims was just ducky?

82 posted on 12/10/2001 10:58:33 AM PST by Cogadh na Sith
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To: alpowolf
**Funny how the ones who are married and don't have to sleep alone are always the ones saying that**

Did it ever occur to you that those who are now married were once single?! Did it ever occur to you that many of those single folks didn't marry til their 30's? I was one of those...as was my husband. Self control is a virtue...not a prison sentence.

83 posted on 12/10/2001 10:59:02 AM PST by homeschool mama
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To: LizM
bump for values
84 posted on 12/10/2001 11:00:42 AM PST by homeschool mama
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To: homeschool mama
we don't advocate tossing some birth control pills in her lap for 'just in case'

You have taught them to be pure. There are tens of thousands of people who have been taught to be pure who slip. I have no idea what the percentage it, it could be very small.

Since you are not teaching your kids about condoms and STD, if you kid does slip and does contract AIDS, I assume you feel that is appropriate punishement for their slippling.

85 posted on 12/10/2001 11:02:16 AM PST by pcl
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To: patricktschetter
bump!
86 posted on 12/10/2001 11:02:25 AM PST by homeschool mama
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To: homeschool mama
I am fully aware of that. The important word is "were". Past tense.

Calm yourself. I have the best method of self-control available--I'm ugly :-)

87 posted on 12/10/2001 11:10:39 AM PST by alpowolf
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To: pcl
You're really a piece of work, pcl. I didn't say we didn't discuss contraception. I said we advocate abstinence. What we DON'T teach our daughter is to devalue herself and toss caution to the wind...and grab the condom on the way. To have sex is planned, even in the heat of passion. It's not a slip up.

I'll say it again...you've advocated free and promiscuous sex in teenagers saying you wouldn't want to deny them their natural desires. Could you liken yourself to Larry Flynt? He introduced his daughters to sex...personally...by porn and molestation. Do you advocate this? Or did you personally 'just' encourage your kiddos to *go for it?

88 posted on 12/10/2001 11:12:41 AM PST by homeschool mama
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To: alpowolf
***I am fully aware of that. The important word is "were". Past tense.

Calm yourself. I have the best method of self-control available--I'm ugly :-)***

Don't worry...I'm quite calm. ;o)

Why is the word *were* of such importance? I remember full well the self control my husband and I practiced.

You're ugly, huh? I doubt that. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. It comes from the heart. There's plenty of handsome men in the world with dark hearts...which makes them horrid to look at. There's also plenty of men who aren't typically handsome .. but their hearts make them unbelievably and wonderfully easy on the eye. ;o)

89 posted on 12/10/2001 11:19:23 AM PST by homeschool mama
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To: pcl
Did I understand you correctly? If you teach kids to be pure, there is not need to specifically teach them about contraception and STDs?

YES. Attend:

"Son, If you have sex outside of marriage you will eventually get a sexual disease. It may even be a fatal disease. You may get the girl pregnant. If so, you will be responsible for that child until it is adopted or until it is 18. You are worth far more than throwing your future away just to fulfill your lust. You will also seriously harm your future married sex life. It's far better to save yourself until you are married."

"Daughter, if you have sex outside of marriage you will eventually get a sexual disease. It may even be a fatal disease. You may also get pregnant. Remember that no contraceptive method is 100% effective and that you will bear responsibility for that child until they are adopted or until they are 18. You are worth far more than selling yourself to someone you would not marry. It's far better to save yourself until you are married."

What's so hard about that? I've told them all they need to know about premarital sex. "Don't, you'll eventually get caught". If I've raised them correctly up until that point it will never be a problem.

[Truthful disclosure time, I have one child, a daughter, who is the worlds most beautiful 13 month old angel. But when she's older this is how I'll teach her aout sex. It's for married people only.]

GSA(P)

90 posted on 12/10/2001 11:36:30 AM PST by John O
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To: homeschool mama
OK. But I ain't holdin' my breath.

Overall I think some of you folks are taking this survey too seriously. Everybody always thinks that everybody else is "doing it" more than they are. Some people think this nation is a heaving sea of fornication and that all single people do is have wild promiscious sex everyday. The reality is much tamer than that.

91 posted on 12/10/2001 11:39:38 AM PST by alpowolf
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To: pcl
if you kid does slip and does contract AIDS

Condoms don't stop AIDS or pregnancy. Giving them a false sense of security is worse then leaving them totally ignorant. If they stay pure then they stay healthy. Quite simple actually

GSA(P)

92 posted on 12/10/2001 11:40:06 AM PST by John O
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To: John O
If I've raised them correctly up until that point it will never be a problem.

The "Just say no" to drugs campaign was such an astounding success that you may well be doing the right thing.

Only time will tell if you are right.

93 posted on 12/10/2001 11:46:38 AM PST by pcl
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To: alpowolf
I'm not taking the survey too seriously. Many times these surveys are done in areas where a practice is typical, so it doesn't cover a broad base.

I know *many* families who are teaching abstinency to their kiddos. It's important to know the truth of an issue...certainly this issue bears highlighting the truth.

Take care. ;o)

94 posted on 12/10/2001 11:47:40 AM PST by homeschool mama
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To: John O
bump
95 posted on 12/10/2001 11:48:02 AM PST by homeschool mama
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To: homeschool mama
"There are many parents raising their daughters *and* sons to be pure before marriage."

Good Luck, H.S. Mama. I've seen that dream die over and over (not at my "hands" of course). The first thing, even the "purest" girls say is that they wish they'd done it sooner.

I think hormones + social pressure to practice pre-marital sex is too strong to be overcome even by a proper upbringing.
96 posted on 12/10/2001 11:57:34 AM PST by Jadge
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To: LizM
"it worked for my four children..."

As far as you know. Many people I know have parents who think they're still virgins.
97 posted on 12/10/2001 11:59:56 AM PST by Jadge
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To: Don Myers
Ten is a conservative number.

When I was in high school (1980), I knew a girl who had been with 25 guys before she turned 18.

98 posted on 12/10/2001 12:02:11 PM PST by Steve1789
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To: JediGirl
Dude, there was a girl here a few months ago that lost it at 9. This world's a sick place. I go to public high school and the only thing that matters to 90% of the kids here is sex, booze, drugs, and more sex. Most of the people think I'm a weirdo because I'm saving myself for marriage. And these people are going to be voting and some of them will be congressmen and other political offices. It's a scary thought when you think of it.
99 posted on 12/10/2001 12:06:11 PM PST by Emmanual_Goldstein16
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To: John O
I disagree.

I've had sex before marriage and I have no diseases, nor have I gotten anyone pregnant.

I have, however, learned a lot about myself and what I like sexually.

I don't think it is wise to discount the importance of sexual compatibility in a relationship. How are you going to know if you are compatible unless you have sex? In my opinion, your wedding night is too late.
100 posted on 12/10/2001 12:06:23 PM PST by Jadge
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