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Vera Katz extends a new welcome mat for the city of Portland
Lars Larson ^

Posted on 12/10/2001 1:33:57 PM PST by SAMWolf

Portland police have rejected U.S. Attorney General John Ashcroft's request for help in questioning thousands of young Middle Eastern men because the interviews likely would violate state law, the bureau's acting police chief said Tuesday.

Andrew Kirkland, an assistant police chief who is in charge of the Portland Police Bureau while Chief Mark Kroeker is on vacation this week, said the bureau was immediately troubled by the request when it arrived late last week.

Ashcroft has announced a plan to interview 5,000 men on an FBI list as part of the nation's developing anti-terrorism efforts. But Kirkland said the federal government's multiple-page document on the plan and a list of 200 men in the Portland area contained "no specific information" about crimes for which they might be suspected.

"It was fairly general," Kirkland said, "and some of the things it asked of us we questioned if we could do them or if we wanted to do them."

Without giving details, Kirkland said he, Kroeker and city attorneys were concerned the request violated Oregon law prohibiting local police from questioning immigrants when there is no evidence they are connected to a crime and foreign citizenship is the only issue.

"You can't use personnel and equipment just to go out and randomly interview people solely on immigration," Kirkland said. Portland's is the only police department known to have refused to cooperate with Ashcroft's request for assistance in questioning people in an attempt to gather more information in the nation's intensifying terrorism investigation.

Because of the length of the national list, and Ashcroft's desire to complete the interviews within 30 days, the attorney general sees the help of local police departments as crucial.

Kirkland said he had heard that police departments in Ann Arbor, Mich., and Tucson, Ariz., were beginning to raise similar concerns.

Michael Mosman, the U.S. attorney for Oregon, said he wasn't concerned about the Police Bureau's decision and that other law enforcement agencies in the state "are more than willing to help." He added that he is confident the plan doesn't violate any state or federal laws.

Not all of the men on the list are from the Middle East and none is a suspected terrorist, Mosman said. "They're not people with a criminal history," he said. "As far as we know, every one of them is here lawfully and engaging in lawful lives... They didn't get on the list because of race or ethnicity."

When asked how they wound up on an anti-terrorism list, Mosman said they had come to the United States in the past two years on tourism, student and business visas from countries with terrorist links.

He said the effort was tantamount to a traffic officer arriving to the scene of a car wreck and attempting to interview everyone standing around. "We are interviewing a number of people nationwide just to get more information," he said.

Portland's decision, he said, was "a tempest in a teapot," especially since the bureau is actively involved with other efforts to fight terrorism.

Kirkland said he was personally concerned that a city with a growing immigrant population might view the interviews as racial profiling. But the decision, ultimately, was based on "troubles with (Ashcroft's) directive," he said.

Mayor Vera Katz had not seen the request, yet was aware of the bureau decision, calling it "a wise one." "I do have a concern when we're asked to do something that violates state law," she said.


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You can let Mayor Vera Katz know how you feel HERE
1 posted on 12/10/2001 1:33:57 PM PST by SAMWolf
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To: Grampa Dave
Here you go Grampa!
2 posted on 12/10/2001 1:35:39 PM PST by SAMWolf
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To: SAMWolf; AuntB
Thank you Sam. If mayor Katz plays her socialistic cards correctly. She could easily have about 200,000 to 500,000 illegal Islamics, Islamic tourists, Johnny Jihads, and those in full frontal lust for these wonderful fun loving individualist guys in Portland by Christmas.

Just think what this will do to the Portland economy as the real terrorists spend OBL's money since he has no real need for it now. Then, when she gets the rest on SSI, Welfare and into special free housing, she will have an unbeatable voting block! She will get relected Mayor.

When her Islamic terrorist groups grow over a million, she can safely run for governor.

Sam how is your Farsi? Farsi, the new language of Portland, Oregon, home for the weary Islamic terrorists and their loving families and left wing supporters!

Attention all weary and unwanted Islamic terrorists! Come home to Portland, Oregon! We love you, respect you and will honor your terrorism! John Ashcroft will not bother you in Portland, Oregon, your new haven/home/training ground!

3 posted on 12/10/2001 1:56:52 PM PST by Grampa Dave
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To: dixiechick2000
Dixie have you seen these new road signs on I5 as you enter Portland?
4 posted on 12/10/2001 1:58:22 PM PST by Grampa Dave
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To: JohnHuang2
John for you attention when you come on duty to night! Please spread the word so that the Islamic terrorists on Free Republic will know that Portland, Oregon has the welcome mat out for them!
5 posted on 12/10/2001 2:00:06 PM PST by Grampa Dave
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To: WIMom
If you think Wisconsin is easy on terrorist, imagine living in Portland, Oregon!
6 posted on 12/10/2001 2:01:19 PM PST by Grampa Dave
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub
Tonkin, you might want to use your magic to ping this to those living in the NW!

Thanks, Dave

7 posted on 12/10/2001 2:04:30 PM PST by Grampa Dave
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
For your info!
8 posted on 12/10/2001 2:05:32 PM PST by Grampa Dave
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To: RonDog
FYI
9 posted on 12/10/2001 2:06:15 PM PST by Grampa Dave
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To: jolly roger
FYI
10 posted on 12/10/2001 2:06:56 PM PST by Grampa Dave
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To: Jeff Head
FYI! Remember Portland, Or.. While you were putting your body and soul into saving the Klamath Basin Farmers, Katz and her left wing socialist council funded $25,000 to the Oregon Natural Resources Committee to help in "Rurally Cleansing the Klamath Farmers/families"!

You might want to ping your Klamath Basis Ping list so they can appreciate this!

11 posted on 12/10/2001 2:10:55 PM PST by Grampa Dave
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To: B4Ranch
fyi
12 posted on 12/10/2001 2:11:48 PM PST by Grampa Dave
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To: 4TheFlag; Pray4USA; Snow Bunny; Billie; lodwick; Diver Dave; Gracey; glock rocks
Fyi!

Please pass along Sam's work here!

13 posted on 12/10/2001 2:19:55 PM PST by Grampa Dave
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To: brityank
FYI
14 posted on 12/10/2001 2:20:52 PM PST by Grampa Dave
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To: farmfriend
FYI
15 posted on 12/10/2001 2:21:44 PM PST by Grampa Dave
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To: Grampa Dave; afraidfortherepublic; brewcrew; Brownie74; Catspaw; Cicero; clamper1797; cschroe...
This is the exact same thing the UW-Madison police are refusing to do. The UWM police are part of the regular police force, assigned to the campus. There are over 30,000 students registered at the University, a small city in itself.

UW-Madison police will not question foreigners

16 posted on 12/10/2001 2:24:00 PM PST by WIMom
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To: Diogenesis
FYI.

I don't know if you are aware of this situation.

While our brave military is putting their life on the line which you have been documenting so well here on Free Republic.

The left wingers who run Portland, Or. have refused to question about 200 Islamics, who might be terrorists!

This is Sam's way of letting the Freeper World know about these potential Islamic Terrorist abettors! Portland will probably welcome Johnny Jihad home as a hero!

17 posted on 12/10/2001 2:27:39 PM PST by Grampa Dave
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To: WIMom
Thanks for the feedback. It appears that every whack left wing university/college might be good anti terrorist areas to strike during the Christmas Holidays!
18 posted on 12/10/2001 2:29:28 PM PST by Grampa Dave
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To: Grampa Dave
Let's FReep this "mayor" and I use that term loosely, and let her know how US AMERICANS feel.

I've already sent her a message, but let her feel the WRATH.....GO FREEPERS

19 posted on 12/10/2001 2:33:21 PM PST by 4TheFlag
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To: 4TheFlag
She knows how I feel about her for over 2 years now! I ain't going to Portland nor doing business with any Portland business until she is out of there!

We need a couple of big groups that scheduled conventions to cancel one in Portland for their payback and concern about the safety of their families across the nation!

20 posted on 12/10/2001 2:39:28 PM PST by Grampa Dave
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To: Grampa Dave; Pray4USA
"We need a couple of big groups to cancel"

Put out a list GD and we'll nail 'em with emails.............

21 posted on 12/10/2001 2:48:18 PM PST by 4TheFlag
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To: WIMom; Maalaea; sarcasm; dennisw

This is becoming all to common. It is the job of the police to question people if they think a crime has been committed or if they think that person may have been a witness to a crime.

Not to many years ago it was simply called an investigation and you questioned anyone involved, or believed to be involved regardless of ethnicity. Something has gone terribly wrong here.

22 posted on 12/10/2001 2:49:54 PM PST by Brownie74
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To: WIMom
As a former born & raised Wisconsinite (Brookfield) I can't say in all honesty this developement in Madtown surprises me one iota.
What's the rest of the state have to say about this decision by their state capitol, I'm left wondering.
Moreover, having just moved from Champaign-Urbana?
I wonder *if* the Urbana PD is following suite with the Big10 city to the north in Wisconsin?

...these university towns & their peoples have some sobering times ahead for themselves.

23 posted on 12/10/2001 2:53:28 PM PST by Landru
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To: 4TheFlag
That's my problem, I don't know which groups plan to go to Portland. This about the 4th or 5th thread we have run on Portland, and so far we can't get a big group decicision maker involved.

One of the things that made the Madison School Board change its tune quickly re the pledge of allegiance, was the cancelling and threat of cancelling some big conventions in the city of Madison!

So the question does anyone outside of Portland, Or. ever schedule a big convention in Portland? Does anyone know of anyone who scheduled a big convention in Portland, Or.? Anyone out there care any more?

24 posted on 12/10/2001 3:10:00 PM PST by Grampa Dave
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To: Grampa Dave
You could post this link on the Oregon page, you have such a way with words. *wink wink*
25 posted on 12/10/2001 3:18:52 PM PST by WIMom
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To: WIMom
Is this the link that you are talking about?( UW-Madison Police will Not Question potential Islamic terrorists)

Please go to this link to read how the People Republic of University of Wisconsin, Madison will not question potential Islamic Terrorists. Claiming that any flag waiver or Christian is far more dangerous than a suicidal Islamic terrorists. UW/Madison Police will continue to serve tea and cigarettes to the Islamic terrorists, err students with zero questions!

UW/Madison will offer full ride scholarships on architectural structure and how to destroy it to any future Islamic Terrorists. They would love to welcome Johnny Jihad to Madison on a full ride scholarship!

26 posted on 12/10/2001 3:38:33 PM PST by Grampa Dave
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To: Brownie74
You posted, "This is becoming all to common. It is the job of the police to question people if they think a crime has been committed or if they think that person may have been a witness to a crime."

Oh no! You can't question possile criminals about a crime. That would be criminal class profiling. Also this would be a violation of their first amendment and their right to jury nullification!

There will be no more criminal investigations as per our constitution, the ACLU and the left wingers lust for those who commit crimes! In fact there will be no more crimes! If there are no more crimes, everyone will be happy! :)

27 posted on 12/10/2001 3:43:44 PM PST by Grampa Dave
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To: Grampa Dave; 1John; 1more4perfecteconomy; aimhigh; Andy from Beaverton; Animaltrout...
I thought you might like to post the Oregon story on the Oregon home page, but I'll just ping them all instead!
28 posted on 12/10/2001 4:09:35 PM PST by WIMom
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To: SAMWolf
Mayor Vera Katz had not seen the request

send your letter to vera here

read letters to vera

29 posted on 12/10/2001 4:11:27 PM PST by glock rocks
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To: Grampa Dave
You can't question possile criminals about a crime. That would be criminal class profiling.

This is so sad but so true. I have a friend that is a policeman and he has to be very careful about who he stops or questions. 'Nuff said!!

30 posted on 12/10/2001 4:14:46 PM PST by Brownie74
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To: SAMWolf
Oh, I HATE this woman, and so do the Portland Police. Trust me. Our police chief would love to go ahead and question these people, but he has to adhere to the law as laid down by Katz and the city attorney. Get this: the Police Department had time to go to a MANDATORY 'sensitivity training' on behalf of cross-dressers. The police had to learn to respect the feelings of guys who get dressed in women's clothes and then go out cruising. If they're pulled over, they often panic because they don't want to get nabbed in women's clothes, so they often lead police on car chases. According to the training, it isn't the cross-dressers' fault; it's the fault of the police, for causing transvestites embarrassment and not 'understanding' their need to get decked out in garter belts and mules. The City of Portland is a JOKE! (I know. I LIVE in Portland, unfortunately.)
31 posted on 12/10/2001 4:23:04 PM PST by Calico Cat
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To: Calico Cat
Oregon FReepers unite! We are working hard here in Wisconsin with Madistan. Organize, freep, protest, write letters, call, email....it can be done! We have to fight to win this war against liberalism!
32 posted on 12/10/2001 4:31:44 PM PST by WIMom
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To: Grampa Dave


33 posted on 12/10/2001 4:35:13 PM PST by glock rocks
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To: 4TheFlag
Here's a link to the Convention Calendar:

Oregon Convention Center

34 posted on 12/10/2001 5:05:01 PM PST by SAMWolf
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To: Grampa Dave
Thank you for the ping !!!!
35 posted on 12/10/2001 5:12:16 PM PST by Snow Bunny
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To: SAMWolf
Sam did you do this graphic???? This is so good,VERY clever how you have this!!! I wish it was not happening, I wish so much oh man this really makes me angry!!!!

Thank you Sam for the thread!!!!!!

36 posted on 12/10/2001 5:15:36 PM PST by Snow Bunny
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To: SAMWolf; 68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub; B4Ranch; JohnHuang2; A Navy Vet; Norb2569; backhoe...
BUMP
37 posted on 12/10/2001 5:21:45 PM PST by Snow Bunny
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To: SAMWolf; AuntB; 1John; blackie; Nam Vet
BUMP
38 posted on 12/10/2001 5:26:10 PM PST by Snow Bunny
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To: Snow Bunny
No I didn't do the graphic. i just found it on another site and linked to it.
39 posted on 12/10/2001 5:53:05 PM PST by SAMWolf
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To: SAMWolf
You captured the essence of Portland with great graphics. This says it all.
40 posted on 12/10/2001 5:58:26 PM PST by luvmysuv
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To: Grampa Dave
Thanks for the flag.
42 posted on 12/10/2001 6:59:40 PM PST by B4Ranch
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To: SAMWolf
You did great to find it and I am so glad. For those that do not see how important this is , to see the graphic with it makes it even more real to them.

Thank you Sam.

43 posted on 12/10/2001 7:03:12 PM PST by Snow Bunny
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To: Grampa Dave
MEGA PING comin' up, Grampa......
44 posted on 12/10/2001 8:07:15 PM PST by JohnHuang2
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To: AuntB; nunya bidness; GrandmaC; Washington_minuteman; tex-oma; buffyt; Grampa Dave...
Ping!
45 posted on 12/10/2001 8:07:36 PM PST by JohnHuang2
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To: JohnHuang2
bttt
46 posted on 12/10/2001 8:10:53 PM PST by Travis McGee
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To: JohnHuang2
bump!
47 posted on 12/10/2001 8:33:50 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: SAMWolf
"Without giving details, Kirkland said he, Kroeker and city attorneys were concerned the request violated Oregon law prohibiting local police from questioning immigrants when there is no evidence they are connected to a crime and foreign citizenship is the only issue."

Well now! Talk about a stupid explanation! Maybe Portland's finest should just nonchalantly go and try to interview Mohammed Atta and the others. After all, NOW there is some evidence that they were connected to a crime! A fine example of the lastest with the leastest.

I'm afraid that Oregonians are nearly as wierd and out-of-touch as we Washingtonians!

48 posted on 12/10/2001 8:38:54 PM PST by nightdriver
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To: Grampa Dave; WIMom; JohnHuang2; Calico Cat; SAMWolf
Thanks for all of the pings! Whew...sorry to be late to the party, but it's Christmas...;o).

I hate to say this but the only good that emailing your thoughts to Vera will do is to allow you to vent. She won't change her mind. You wouldn't believe some of the things she wants to do...then, again, maybe you would. This woman is nothing but a little, fat pit bull...only more dangerous. The men she surrounds herself with are nothing more than weak, girly men. Sadly, even a good man like Kroeker is just trying to save his job (they announced this policy when he was on vacation). Now, trying to get cancellations at the Convention Center is a great idea!

I've been conducting my own personal boycott of Multnomah County for a number of years. I just don't go there, if at all possible. If I have to go, I don't spend any money. In the past year, I've been there twice. Once to Saturday Market, and I didn't buy anything (we had visitors from out of town). The other was to attend the Portland Police Bureau's Medal of Valor dinner, and I was proud to do so. This was a dinner to honor the men and women who went above and beyond the call of duty, and put their own lives at risk to help others or to apprehend a perp. I didn't spend a dime there, either. To sum it up, the way to get anybody is through the pocket book.

Calico, you have my condolences...and I like your screen name! ;o)

I love the graphics! Sent 'em on to hubby and others. They will get a kick out of 'em.

49 posted on 12/10/2001 9:45:51 PM PST by dixiechick2000
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To: dixiechick2000
I love the graphics!

Aren't they a hoot? hehe ;^)

Great to see ya, btw =^)

50 posted on 12/10/2001 9:49:13 PM PST by JohnHuang2
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