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Suspected Israeli Spies Held by U.S.
Fox News ^ | December 12, 2001 | Carl Cameron

Posted on 12/12/2001 9:49:48 AM PST by mmmmmmmm....... donuts

Edited on 04/22/2004 12:31:50 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

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To: Mercuria
I have a great deal of respect for Fox News. I have been a fan of Brit Humes for a long time. I am very dissapointed at their editorial judgment lapse, and am trying to analyze the reason for it.

I think that Cameron's article is a disgusting piece of unprofessional journalism, that displays total disregard to the basic priciples of journalism, which is the presentation of varifiable information based of facts, and not inuendos, rumors, and fabrications.

The Goebble i.e. nazi type of journalism, involves fabrications, and malicious inuendos, usually backed-up by nameless sources.

I invite you to give me a fair opinion on which type of journalism Cameron selected.

141 posted on 12/16/2001 5:26:19 PM PST by imperator2
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To: Mercuria
If friends fire at you it is friendly fire.

If friends fire at you accidentally because they had no idea of who you were, it's "friendly fire".

If friends fire at you purposely with knowledge of who you are, it is an out-and-out attack.

OK, OK, so what about "unfriendly friendly fire"?

142 posted on 12/16/2001 6:20:50 PM PST by A. Pole
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To: imperator2
His career is finished [...]

This is fascinating stuff! Could you elaborate?

143 posted on 12/16/2001 6:23:24 PM PST by A. Pole
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To: imperator2
No, Cameron is obviously a reporter with a lot more courage than you have.
144 posted on 12/16/2001 9:44:31 PM PST by aspide
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To: imperator2
No, it's the US government saying this. Your Israel-first politics are showing.
145 posted on 12/16/2001 9:45:21 PM PST by aspide
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To: imperator2
Carl Cameron has a background delving into intelligence and security issues that affect the U.S.

Israel, not unlike many other nations, does have a history of spying and possessing high-level intelligence operations. Mr. Cameron presented what he had in a generalized information format, which is hardly a cause for Thought Police / Judge / Jury tactics, as most writers don't have the freedom to take up unlimited space with a full-scale report to present all the minutiae you are demanding, nor do they have the time.

The absence of all the detail you insist upon in this case does not make Mr. Cameron "malignant". I'm rather inclined to believe that Mr. Cameron has probably seen more documentation of this issue than you yourself have, and it would truly be irresponsible journalism to drop-kick information into the circular file for fear that amateur "analysts" such as yourself will raise the type of ruckus that makes many of us so scornful of tactics used by shifty leftists.

(And as for your "analysis"...excuse me, but that was one sloppy piece of work. Contradictions without evidence and the use of smearing innuendo against the writer do not an analysis make...although you gave a pretty fair imitation of the type of tactics real hardcore race-baiters use when they attempt to blow smoke.)

I have never seen anything Mr. Cameron has written that suggests that he has any hidden agenda, nor do I see anything in this article to suggest "malice"...much less Goebbelistic propaganda attempts.

I have witnessed from you the inability to be objective about the subject of Israel, even to the extent of attempting to libel posters who debate with you as "Nazis"...and your smears of Mr. Cameron cause me to call into question your own objectivity and ability to disseminate information rather than his.

And I'm saying this to YOU because we both support Israel's right to exist, and the goonery you and others here are using against those who may question your perceived perfection of Israel as a nation is downright shameful and outright embarrassing.

But the utilization of the concept of Thoughtcrime as a way to stomp dissenters - the method so many of us abhorred being used by the most rancid leftists - seems to be alive and well on this board, and is being used in the most puerile fashion.

Calling people who disagree with you - or who even dare to question your "wisdom" - "Nazis" and "brownshirts" enough, and screaming "anti-Semite" whenever you feel offended, might silence your critics out of fear, but it doesn't mean that you win the argument.

And I'm sure there are a few pro-Israel people on this board - like me - who wish to heaven you and your likeminded pals would quit "helping" us...although unfortunately they may be nervous about saying so, because throwing the term "anti-Semite" or "Jew-hater" around as frivolously as one does a Frisbee on the beach is becoming de rigueur with some people around here against those - even people who are on the SAME SIDE as them - who have the SLIGHTEST disagreements with Kommissar Wannabes. It is NOT helping us, it is NOT promoting any positive impression of Israel or its supporters, and it sure as hell is NOT helping to promote the concept of freedom of speech.

Race-baiters and other people who make a lucrative business out of being professional victims do the same thing with terms like "racist", because, you see, they know using labels like that about people who simply disagree with them don't have to be backed up with real evidence in order to put their critics on the defensive...or better yet, silence their critics altogether.

That kind of verbal blackmail is what makes Jesse Jackson a rich man! I would hope you would have a better sense of decency than to emulate someone like him.

Get off the "I'm An Offended, Oppressed Victim" Bandwagon, folks.

And bear in mind that the Nazis didn't hesitate to use that kind of rhetoric themselves for their own ends...

< /soapbox! >

146 posted on 12/17/2001 2:06:15 PM PST by Mercuria
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To: aspide
The Fox generated charge that Israel knew something and withheld it has been withdrawn by Fox.
147 posted on 12/17/2001 2:09:18 PM PST by scratchgolfer
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To: Mercuria
Mercuria: you are an ass! end of argument.
148 posted on 12/17/2001 3:16:22 PM PST by imperator2
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To: imperator2
I've been called worse by your betters, kid, so no harm done!
149 posted on 12/17/2001 3:24:19 PM PST by Mercuria
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To: imperator2
BTW...how long did it take you to come up with that extraordinarily "brilliant" and "insightful" analysis?

Hope there isn't TOO much smoke coming out your ears...or your ass, for that matter.

(Isn't this fun? So much easier than trying to really rebut anything...which is fine 'n' dandy, seeing as debate REALLY isn't your strong point...)

150 posted on 12/17/2001 3:31:11 PM PST by Mercuria
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To: imperator2
You should take anger-management classes. Your venom does not improve your arguments. I happen to agree with you that Cameron's report was total BS. That does not make him a Nazi, and it does not make everyone who does not condemn his report a Nazi.
152 posted on 12/20/2001 10:53:03 AM PST by Rodney King
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