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The drug war vs. the war on terror
Chicago Tribune ^ | December 13, 2001 | Steve Chapman

Posted on 12/13/2001 3:32:50 AM PST by CrossCheck

Edited on 09/03/2002 4:49:47 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

On Oct. 25, six weeks after the worst terrorist atrocities in our history, the United States was bombing Afghanistan, Colin Powell was discussing a post-Taliban government, investigators were grappling with anthrax in the mail, and federal agents were . . . well, they were going after pot smokers in California. If John Ashcroft had been around during the Chicago fire, he would have been handcuffing jaywalkers.


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To: William Terrell
One of the more enjoyable aspects of NYC are the thriving bicycle messenger marijuana delivery services.
81 posted on 12/13/2001 6:31:10 AM PST by Wolfie
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To: Wolfie
It's usually pretty good weed too :-)
82 posted on 12/13/2001 6:32:15 AM PST by realpatriot71
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To: Wolfie
So I've heard . . .*cough**cough*
83 posted on 12/13/2001 6:32:57 AM PST by realpatriot71
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To: Nate505
But have a joint, crackpipe, and heroin needle killed more innocent people than handguns?

Acting like Hillary today I see, leaving out the arguement that firearms save more innocent people than kill.

Oh well, like I stated before you Libertarians will do anything to justify your drugs, even parrot Hillary and Sarah Brady.

84 posted on 12/13/2001 6:33:49 AM PST by Dane
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To: Dane
Firearms help protect innocent people and property, how many lives have a joint, crackpipe, or heroin needle saved.

Impeaching Clinton didn't feed any hungry babies. That you, Cheryl?

85 posted on 12/13/2001 6:34:14 AM PST by tacticalogic
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To: Dane
Hmm, Rudolph Guiliani got the pot smokers and crackheads off the streets and crime plummeted in New York City.

Ha - You obviously don't live in NYC. Or, if you do, you don't live in my neighborhood.

86 posted on 12/13/2001 6:34:56 AM PST by gdani
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To: Dane
In New York City before Guiliani(Dinkins administration), Dinkins did what they are doing in England now(taking a blind eye towards drug users) and New York City was a cesspool.

Crime in NYC started its drop in the Dinkins administration. Crime everywhere in the U.S. dropped during Rudy's.

87 posted on 12/13/2001 6:36:51 AM PST by gdani
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To: NittanyLion
You're shameless. No one, including you, could possibly believe disgusting arguments like this one will persuade others. Your only purpose here is to disrupt.

Huh? We know what type of household produced Johhny Jihad. A liberal one. I would bet you dollar to donuts, that Johnny Jihad's parents would be all for marijuana and other drug legalisation.

88 posted on 12/13/2001 6:37:06 AM PST by Dane
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To: realpatriot71
Remember yesterday when I said when usually do not agree on a lot and couldn't remember. :-)

I sure do. I'm almost on the fence on this issue. I've argued on FR for both sides because I keep changing my mind. Recent events and the consideration of the lifestyle of the people who break into my truck and steal my stereo, or offer drugs to my pre-teen kids has me on the other side of the fence right now. Another thing that has me on the drugs are bad side of the fence may seem unrelated but it is the fact that I've taken up bicycling to work. Now I realize just how many people out there have no business at all behind the wheel of any car that is not a playstation car.

So far your argument has been that people who use drugs steal. People who don't use drugs steal. People who use legal drugs like alcohol and tobacco steal. You may be able to argue that those who use illegal drugs steal at a higher rate than those who don't. However, it would be the illegal nature of the substance that leads to extreme price inflations. How much did alchol cost when it was illegal? I'll have to look up the cost comparisans with todays dollars, but the price is always higher in a black market. Legal drugs leads to lower prices which means that less people steal to get money for drugs.

You can always find examples that prove either side of the argument. You can look at places where drugs are legal and paint them as utopia or you can look at other places where drugs are legal and paint them as hell on earth. I'm sure my opinion on the matter also has a lot to do with the fact that I'm raising kids in a world that seems disgusting in a lot of ways.

p.s. Did sinkspur ever get back to us on the theological basis for Mariology?

No but read your mail.

89 posted on 12/13/2001 6:38:24 AM PST by biblewonk
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To: Dane
Actually, Case Ducked. Not that I expect better from you, than to answer arguments with this tired old picture.
90 posted on 12/13/2001 6:40:06 AM PST by alpowolf
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To: jeffyraven
I think it's because they are indoctrinated into their beliefs, not having arrived at them through honest examination of evidence, logic and commonsense. That's why they can't offer a rational argument, substituting therefor emotionally charged buzzwords and phrases.

Conditioned thought is much more comfortable than skullsweat and research.

I'll bet that the minidrugczars have to use a whole box of bandaids when they come off one of these threads. They usually get sliced into wafers thin enough to use under an electron microscope. Coupled with their vicious phraseology and insensitivity to mortal wounds sustained in these arguments, I tend to think of them as sadomasochists.

Oooooo *sigh*, Brutal, you're such a man! (hit me again).

91 posted on 12/13/2001 6:44:23 AM PST by William Terrell
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To: Dane
Huh? We know what type of household produced Johhny Jihad. A liberal one. I would bet you dollar to donuts, that Johnny Jihad's parents would be all for marijuana and other drug legalisation.

I take more exception to your method of lobbing logical fallacy upon logical fallacy than I do to you actual beliefs. This is no different. Even as a conservative, I can realize that liberal households do not equal treasonous children, even though this child happened to become one. For you to suggest it does is dishonest.

92 posted on 12/13/2001 6:44:38 AM PST by NittanyLion
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To: patchpics
The problem with jack booted thugs is, eventually they will come after you and yours.

It couldn't happen quickly enough.

93 posted on 12/13/2001 6:55:06 AM PST by Protagoras
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To: Wolfie
One of the more enjoyable aspects of NYC are the thriving bicycle messenger marijuana delivery services.

Prolly expensive as hell, too.

94 posted on 12/13/2001 6:56:53 AM PST by William Terrell
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To: Dane
Your picture didn't show up---what was it? Can you identify the picture in my post to you?
95 posted on 12/13/2001 6:57:36 AM PST by 54-46 Was My Number
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To: Dane
BTW are you going to break out your silly-ass graph (which destroys your own arguments) again?
96 posted on 12/13/2001 6:57:54 AM PST by alpowolf
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To: Pern
I have to agree that heroin and coke are bad

No they are not Bad. They are inanimate objects and have no powers other than what is done with them by a human. Humans make decisions, the drugs are materials that will just sit there forever until a human moved them.

97 posted on 12/13/2001 7:05:16 AM PST by corkoman
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To: malador
Most fanatics are positive that they are the only 'right' people.

They could hardly be more wrong..

- In a society that can decree people right or wrong on majority whim, other fanatics are the judges.

98 posted on 12/13/2001 7:07:46 AM PST by tpaine
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To: Dane
Yeah, how dare anybody think it is their right to live in a low crime drug free enviroment.

You really don't understand the concept of rights at all. There is no "right" to have others behave in a way pleaseing to you. If that were the case, I could make you go away by invoking my right to Freep in a low ignorance, nonsense free environment.

99 posted on 12/13/2001 7:12:24 AM PST by southern rock
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To: CrossCheck; Dane; Uncle Fud; patchpics; VA Advogado; tonycavanagh; Pern; steve50; alpowolf...
I, and many people who think as I do; would be willing to decriminalize person possession and use. IF,

IF

the druggies would concede that DUI, DWI, and sale to minors (under 21) could be penalized as attempted manslaughter and allow for no Medicare/Medicaide coverage of drug related illness. You wanna fry your brains; go ahead. Don't get us to pay for it, your future health problems, or get our kids hooked on drugs.

You'd never get a Kennedy to vote for it as long as DWI was included...

100 posted on 12/13/2001 7:13:29 AM PST by packrat01
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