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Passenger Describes Subduing Suspect
northernlight ^ | December 22 | reuters

Posted on 12/22/2001 8:38:22 PM PST by classygreeneyedblonde

BOSTON (AP) -- Thierry Dugeon said the first he knew anything was wrong on American Airlines Flight 63 was when he heard a flight attendant 10 rows in front of him cry out, ``I need some help!'' `

`I was there in five seconds, and there were already two or three guys on him,'' Dugeon said Saturday after the Paris-to-Miami-bound jet landed safely at Boston. ``It was like everybody knew what they needed to do. It's pure instinct because it goes so fast. You're not going to think twice.''

Authorities said a man carrying a British passport in the name of Richard Reid may have been carrying explosives in the heel of his shoes and was trying to set fire to one of them when a flight attendant smelled sulfur and intervened.

Dugeon estimated that five to six male passengers subdued Reid -- who resisted at first -- using belts to bind his hands, waist, chest and feet. Two doctors injected him with a sedative from the onboard medical kit. `

`It's three months after Sept. 11. Of course, the first thing you think of is it's something to do with terrorism,'' he said.

Dugeon, a 36-year-old television reporter from Paris, said he was seated in Row 39, 10 rows behind Reid. He said he had noticed the man in the airport when boarding and there was nothing that made Reid stand out.

Dugeon said after the man was subdued, passengers searched him, found the British passport, and questioned him about whether he spoke French, English or Arabic.

Dugeon said Reid told the passengers was Jamaican, but they didn't believe him. A law enforcement source who asked not be identified said Reid was not Middle Eastern.

Over the next two hours, passengers took turns watching the sedated Reid while the crew showed the movie ``Legally Blonde.'' When the plane neared Boston, the captain told them that fighter jets would escort them to Logan. After landing, all the passengers stayed seated until the police came and took the suspect off.

Dugeon described Reid's footwear as hightop-type basketball sneakers, and said he had tried to light the front of his sneakers.


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To: classygreeneyedblonde
Watch for the New York Times editorial describing how the American flying public is a group of savage, uncivilized vigilantes.
51 posted on 12/22/2001 9:52:40 PM PST by Conservative
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To: Harley - Mississippi
Another picture of the suspect


52 posted on 12/22/2001 9:52:41 PM PST by stlnative
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To: Southack
Tough to leave him alive on plane (as a mere passenger), but our guys need to interrogate him

True, but he could be softened up a bit before he was turned over to the Feds. How about a broken nose and a few broken bones??

53 posted on 12/22/2001 9:53:05 PM PST by COL. FLAGG
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To: cajun-jack
C-Rats??
54 posted on 12/22/2001 9:53:42 PM PST by paul544
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To: Conservative
That or some group will come up with some hate thing
55 posted on 12/22/2001 9:56:07 PM PST by classygreeneyedblonde
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To: Southack
He could still talk with a broken arm, heheh.
56 posted on 12/22/2001 9:58:37 PM PST by jrewingjr
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To: paul544
In Military Terminology, an "A Ration" is one with fresh vegetables, fresh meat, fresh milk and so on, served in a dining facility/messhall etc. This stuff needs refrigeration

A "B Ration" is one that is from a can, or is preserved some way. some of us remember canned bacon, steaks in cans (just add water) and so on. These are generally served in the field mess facility. No refrigeration required.

"C-Rations, D-Rations, Iron Rations, K-Rations and so on, were given to the troops for them to fix. The "C-Ration from World War II fame (and still around from Korea) was a single can, everything was in it, including several small cans. The K/Iron/D rations came in a "cracker jack box".

The Meals Combat Individual (MCI) came out at the start of the Kennedy Administration (they had been developed but they were waiting for the WWII stocks to go down). This was the "C-Ration" for the folks in Viet Nam and what a lot of us remember up to 1982/83.

The Meals Ready to Eat (MRE) has been through several variations as has the infamous "T-Rations".

57 posted on 12/22/2001 10:05:16 PM PST by spectr17
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To: classygreeneyedblonde
On 9/11, a family friend was mid-Atlantic on a flight from Europe to the U.S. when the N.Y. towers were struck. Without telling passengers, the plane turned around and headed back. About the time it would normally land in the U.S., the sky had become lighter on the RIGHT side of the plane when normally this would happen on the LEFT. They were then told a national emergency had occurred. To the passengers this suggested a nuclear blast on American soil was responsible for lighting the upper atmosphere to the north, on the right side. It was not until they landed in Europe and were 70 miles away in a hotel, that they were told what happened.

What's the bottom line? Passengers were knowingly kept in the dark, to give the crew time to look critically at who might fit a terrorist profile, and to keep passengers from becoming agitated. Although passengers suffered no damage, they passed through a surreal situation where nuclear holocaust, present tense, seemed possible.

58 posted on 12/22/2001 10:06:34 PM PST by Tax Government
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To: all
One more picture of him...

59 posted on 12/22/2001 10:09:19 PM PST by stlnative
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To: paul544
c rations...the stuff in a can that us army guys used to have to eat when we were in the field
61 posted on 12/22/2001 10:10:22 PM PST by cajun-jack
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To: brigette
This is a man who genuinely deserves to die, at government expense, with his boots on.
63 posted on 12/22/2001 10:11:27 PM PST by Tax Government
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To: Harley - Mississippi
or pining for the fjords.
64 posted on 12/22/2001 10:13:00 PM PST by yianni
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To: spectr17
and never..i repeat NEVER eat the ham and lima beans for supper if you had to sleep in a sleeping bag that night!!!!!
65 posted on 12/22/2001 10:14:09 PM PST by cajun-jack
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To: classygreeneyedblonde
I guess the perp will be needing some of this.

In a related matter, a man named Achmed Muhammed, from Peoria, filed suit saying he had been "profiled" by airport security and denied a flight following the Flight 63 incident.
Achmed's shoes

66 posted on 12/22/2001 10:14:10 PM PST by jrewingjr
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To: classygreeneyedblonde
also in that picture you posted, seated to the left of the terrorist/freak, is NFL Quarterback Mark Brunell of the Jacksonville Jaguars. Ok, maybe not but it looks like him.. somebody do a comparison..
68 posted on 12/22/2001 10:16:04 PM PST by p-andrews
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69 posted on 12/22/2001 10:20:38 PM PST by classygreeneyedblonde
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To: JoeEveryman
I noticed that too... It looks like his nose is broke or he has one huge nose! LOL!
70 posted on 12/22/2001 10:20:57 PM PST by stlnative
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To: classygreeneyedblonde

71 posted on 12/22/2001 10:22:55 PM PST by classygreeneyedblonde
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To: Harley - Mississippi
"Hell no ! He's either an Inuit or Eskimo ! Any fool can tell that !"

What the hay, mon... you mean you DON'T think he's a Jamaican???

72 posted on 12/22/2001 10:23:43 PM PST by dandelion
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To: brigette
he kinda looks like howard stern
73 posted on 12/22/2001 10:24:05 PM PST by classygreeneyedblonde
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To: brigette

74 posted on 12/22/2001 10:25:35 PM PST by classygreeneyedblonde
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To: aristeides;classygreeneyedblonde
"Let the Francophobes on this forum note that here a Frenchman acted bravely."

Dugeon, a 36-year-old television reporter from Paris, said he was seated in Row 39, 10 rows behind Reid. He said he had noticed the man in the airport when boarding and there was nothing that made Reid stand out.

Jimmy Olsen must be working for the French version of PBS...nothing that made Reid stand out?

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Maybe if the guy was wearing an "I love Bin Laden" cap he might have attracted some notice? "They" not only can't fight, they have no common sense. (ok, gross generalization...(gr)...)

75 posted on 12/22/2001 10:30:46 PM PST by Yehuda
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To: theDentist
He's lucky he wasn't beaten to death.

They tied him up, strapped him to a seat, and made him watch "Legally Blonde", and you say he's lucky that he wasn't beaten to death?

77 posted on 12/22/2001 10:32:01 PM PST by lowbridge
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To: lowbridge
Beaten to death is unlikely in the confines of a plane with lots of men on top.

Suffocated, on the other hand, is VERY likely. One of the subduers at the bottom of the dog-pile has the perp in a choke hold, and after a few minutes they notice that he is not struggling anymore.

This happened to a lunatic on a domestic flight a year or two ago. The family of the deceased wanted to make it a murder case, excessive force etc, grand jury said "justifiable".

79 posted on 12/22/2001 10:38:35 PM PST by Travis McGee
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To: brigette; squantos; billthedrill; libertina
Dude, your harshing my buzz and bringing me down. I was just, like, trying smoke some weed. You know, like some people use dented mountain dew cans to smoke up. I was using the hole in the toe of my shoe as a pipe.

Yo, you like light the bud in the hole by the toe and suck in the smoke from the shoe top.


80 posted on 12/22/2001 10:39:50 PM PST by TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig
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To: gorush
I heard on MSNBC that the OBL tied terrorists who bombed the WTC were known to use explosives in their shoes, so this is a known MO of his gang of murderers.
Since this man boarded in Paris, I can assume they are not searching or targeting certain types before letting them board the planes?
I met a man the other day who was told to remove his cowboy boots at an airport so they could check them. I guess it all depends on the airport.
American Airlines sure isn't doing itself any favors with its lack of screening of passengers.
82 posted on 12/22/2001 10:46:40 PM PST by ladyinred
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To: big ern
So that's what they mean by "beating feet?"
83 posted on 12/22/2001 10:53:58 PM PST by Yehuda
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To: Harley - Mississippi
Here's another picture of him, in back on right. He and his partner are menacing.
86 posted on 12/22/2001 11:27:10 PM PST by jrewingjr
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To: weikel
Never give up.

The one rule to success that can't be broken.

87 posted on 12/22/2001 11:50:10 PM PST by DB
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To: classygreeneyedblonde
FYI, your font is not very pleasant. I hate to see anyone go to so much trouble to have their words ignored, especially a person with so much class. ;)
88 posted on 12/22/2001 11:57:50 PM PST by Cultural Jihad
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To: ladyinred
"Since this man boarded in Paris, I can assume they are not searching or targeting certain types before letting them board the planes?"

Targeting certain types? Why would they target this guy since he's obviously either Norwegian or Japanese?

89 posted on 12/23/2001 12:04:20 AM PST by watchin
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To: Timesink
Why do we even bother having security on the ground? It's a total joke.

What do you mean, "we"? Blame the French. Flight was from Paris.

90 posted on 12/23/2001 12:23:35 AM PST by M. Thatcher
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To: theDentist
I would have gouged his eyes out, then stomped on his Orbicularis Oris!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
91 posted on 12/23/2001 12:45:13 AM PST by RIGHT IN SEATTLE
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To: classygreeneyedblonde
We Have Got to Start REAL Profiling!!

lesseehere:
Swarthy appearance. Check.
Brand new passport. Check.
No luggage on long overwater flight. Check.

Ring any alarm bells, anyone? We mess around patting down 75-year-old women who are 4th generation American grandmothers from Des Moines, and we don't have the time to properly identify and closely check out scum like this. We are insane, and PC must die.

A law enforcement source who asked not be identified said Reid was not Middle Eastern.

Bravo Sierra. He sure fits the appearance profile. He's probably British or French, but from people who are from the Middle East or Southwest Asia. Maybe he's not carrying a Saudi passport (you know, those friendly Saudi allies?), but he sure looks of ME/SA extraction at first glance to me.

93 posted on 12/23/2001 1:51:13 AM PST by FreedomPoster
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To: Harley - Mississippi
It depends on what the definition of "Middle Eastern" is.

The spokesperson is probably confused about directions because of the assignments for NCAA basketball championship playoffs.

94 posted on 12/23/2001 2:03:06 AM PST by Bernard
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To: classygreeneyedblonde
From Dorothy Rabinowitz in the WSJ:

Was he saying, reporter Steve Kroft asked, that at the security screening desks, a 70-year-old white woman from Vero Beach, Fla., would receive the same level of scrutiny as a Muslim young man from Jersey City?

He would hope so, Mr. Mineta replied.

The secretary explained that he put his faith in the Federal Aviation Authority's computer profile system, which does not consider race, ethnicity, national origin or religion but instead tracks information on the passenger's travel history, information from the CIA and the FBI, and certain other criteria. "Things," Mr. Mineta said, "like did you pay cash for this ticket or charge it on a credit card. Do you have a one-way ticket or round trip." But the men who flew into the World Trade Center did not have one-way tickets and they did not use cash, Mr. Mineta agreed. In this case, he also agreed those triggers would not have worked. Even so, the secretary held firmly to the view that that no group should be singled out for scrutiny.

About that Mr. Abrams had more to say. We had been attacked, he pointed out, and the one thing that the attackers have in common so far is their national origin and their sex and their language. "And for us to say, well, you know, we just can't think about that…we'll just put that aside because -- call it political correctness, call it anything -- we just won't think about because it makes us feel uncomfortable, is an appalling act of malfeasance."

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Mineta, a Clinton Cabinet member (Commerce), is an idiot and ought to be fired.

95 posted on 12/23/2001 2:18:52 AM PST by aculeus
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96 posted on 12/23/2001 2:24:49 AM PST by KneelBeforeZod
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To: classygreeneyedblonde

97 posted on 12/23/2001 2:40:13 AM PST by KneelBeforeZod
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
If you want to see how far we've come, check out ' Dog Day Afternoon' again. If you have not seen it since Sept 11th, it is quite a revelation about how we coddle whacked out dopes.
98 posted on 12/23/2001 2:46:35 AM PST by tom paine 2
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To: tom paine 2
ATTICA!!! ATTICA!!
99 posted on 12/23/2001 2:59:21 AM PST by KneelBeforeZod
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To: classygreeneyedblonde
Dugeon said Reid told the passengers was Jamaican, but they didn't believe him. A law enforcement source who asked not be identified said Reid was not Middle Eastern.

Anyone who says this guy doesn't look Middle Eastern, including newswire services citing unnamed sources, should be arrested for giving aid and comfort to the enemy.

100 posted on 12/23/2001 3:34:00 AM PST by Moonman62
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