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Addicted to the Drug War
Ludwig von Mises Institute ^ | December 28, 2001 | Ilana Mercer

Posted on 12/30/2001 1:25:13 AM PST by NoCurrentFreeperByThatName

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To: Roscoe
A power to tax sales of a substance encompasses a power to prohibit the sale of the untaxed substance.

Astounding.

Absolutely astounding.

1,121 posted on 01/01/2002 6:50:24 PM PST by OWK
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To: Roscoe
Come off it Roscoe. dcwusmc asked you a question, you avoided answering it by an amateurish delaying tactic, I called your attention to the fact it was already in the form of a question.

You really have a reading comprehension problem, don't ya? Along with your vocabulary problem you must really have a difficult time getting around. You watch a lot of TV, I bet.

1,122 posted on 01/01/2002 6:50:35 PM PST by AKbear
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To: Roscoe
Did you mean Van Mises or Hayek?

Actually, he meant Von Mises, or Hayek.

If you're going to be a bigshot and correct someone, at least get it right.

1,123 posted on 01/01/2002 6:52:11 PM PST by OWK
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To: Roscoe
Here it is, condensed just for you: Can YOU devise a war on drugs that is NOT repugnant to the Constitution and Bill of Rights? Yes or no? If yes, HOW would you make it work? If you can do it, I will support it and I would not be surprised if a lot of the libertarians who despise drugs would also. But it MUST satisfy the CONSTITUTION. You are no longer allowed to wipe your a$$ with it.

And here's the original: click

1,124 posted on 01/01/2002 6:52:48 PM PST by dcwusmc
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To: OWK
Isn't it? I have been truly amazed with the twists of logic Roscoe has used in this thread. That is one of the reasons I went against my better judgment and actually called him on it. I am beginning to regret it.
1,125 posted on 01/01/2002 6:53:36 PM PST by AKbear
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To: Roscoe
And to regulate commerce among the states

If they want to regulate interstate sales of drugs or tax them that's fine with me, but if they want to misapply a CLAUSE in contradiction of several AMMENDMENTS, then it's unconstitutional. The same clause that has been used to prohibit drugs has also been used to establish the entire welfare state in violation of the constitution. But I forgot, you prefer big government to the constitution.

1,126 posted on 01/01/2002 6:53:37 PM PST by elmer fudd
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To: donh
A tax is not a regulation, nor does it imply the power to prohibit.

George Washington and the Founding Fathers didn't understand the Constitution? Wild.

1,127 posted on 01/01/2002 6:54:37 PM PST by Roscoe
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To: elmer fudd
If they want to regulate interstate sales of drugs or tax them that's fine with me

When a drug dealer sells a vial of crack, where did it come from?

1,128 posted on 01/01/2002 6:56:57 PM PST by Roscoe
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To: Roscoe
George Washington and the Founding Fathers didn't understand the Constitution?

I'll lay pretty good odds that those dark-skinned fellas they were owning, didn't think too much of the founders' understanding of the constitution.

1,129 posted on 01/01/2002 6:58:54 PM PST by OWK
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To: dcwusmc
... can YOU answer this question honestly?

Sure can, and I've done so on countless occasions in past drug war threads. But, since I believe to do so now would be pointless, I must decline. There is about 0.0 chance that the debate would be improved in any way by the answer I would give.

The signal-to-noise ratio in the drug war threads has become way too high for me to throw my two cents in these days, and they've become the FreeRepublic equivalent of a Three Stooges short feature.

The fictional character Lex Luthor once said that some people can glean the secrets of the universe from a chewing gum wrapper. Yesterday, I would have tried.

1,130 posted on 01/01/2002 6:59:01 PM PST by strela
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To: OWK
[A power to tax sales of a substance encompasses a power to prohibit the sale of the untaxed substance.]

Astounding.

The sun rises in the east.

1,131 posted on 01/01/2002 6:59:03 PM PST by Roscoe
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To: clamper1797
Yup, I know. There are times when I can sustain an argument with Roscoe and CJ, other times...

I know some of this does some good, but my patience with them does wear thin sometimes.

1,132 posted on 01/01/2002 6:59:13 PM PST by AKbear
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To: tpaine
The Constitution nowhere suggests that prohibition isn't a form of regulation

It wouldn't, because prohibition is NOT a form of regulation. Common usage, or even legal terminology does NOT equate the two words.

By such "reasoning", the power to tax sales wouldn't include the power to prohibit the sale of untaxed items, and the power to regulate the quality of foods sold in interstate commerce wouldn't include the power to prohibit the sale of rotten meat.

Wrong. The taxing/regulating power does not prohibit the sale of items, or the quality of goods . They only regulate for purity/safety, or tax the item . When such regulations, or tax laws are violated, criminal penalties can apply upon conviction.

Violent or fraudulent criminal behavior is 'prohibited', [if you insist on using the term], by our criminal law, using due process, as per the constitution.

--- Fiat prohibitions are not a part of constitutional criminal law, as they violate due process and fundamental rights to life, liberty, or property, before criminal force or fraud occurs. - #781 -

You can't refute the above, yet you keep repeating your 'prohibition' fantasies. One definition of insanity is a repetition of such behavior.

1,133 posted on 01/01/2002 7:00:00 PM PST by tpaine
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To: Roscoe
When a drug dealer sells a vial of crack, where did it come from?

When a man grows a marijuana plant in his basement, and the federal authorities come to kick down his door, and haul him away in chains, are you going to sit there with a straight face and continue to assert "regulation of interstate commerce".

Sorry, but your argument is simply laughable.

1,134 posted on 01/01/2002 7:01:31 PM PST by OWK
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To: OWK
I'll lay pretty good odds that those dark-skinned fellas they were owning, didn't think too much of the founders' understanding of the constitution.

Slavery was a matter of state law. As you know, there are self-proclaimed libertarians on FR who advocate gutting the 13th Amendment and allowing the ownership of human beings.

1,135 posted on 01/01/2002 7:02:18 PM PST by Roscoe
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To: Roscoe
The sun rises in the east.

At least you got something right.

1,136 posted on 01/01/2002 7:02:45 PM PST by OWK
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To: OWK
When a man grows a marijuana plant in his basement, and the federal authorities come to kick down his door, and haul him away in chains

Kubby had hundreds of plants.

When a drug dealer sells a vial of crack, where did it come from?

1,137 posted on 01/01/2002 7:04:49 PM PST by Roscoe
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To: OWK
At least you got something right.

You will too, someday.

1,138 posted on 01/01/2002 7:05:38 PM PST by Roscoe
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To: Roscoe
Slavery was a matter of state law.

Nice dodge... but the US Constitution guaranteed the right to due process, and the right to free speech, and freedom of religion, and freedom from unreasonable search and siezure, and the right to keep and bear arms, and all manner of other protections for men.

Just not the black men the founders happened to own.

That would have been inconvenient.

Your earlier ridiculed another for suggesting that the founders may have often been untrue to the intent of the constitution. Sadly they were.... They were oftentimes hypocrites. You may attempt to rationalize otherwise, but that doesn't change the truth of it.

1,139 posted on 01/01/2002 7:08:08 PM PST by OWK
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To: Roscoe
You will NEVER 'get' the constitution.
1,140 posted on 01/01/2002 7:10:03 PM PST by tpaine
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