Addicted to the Drug War

Ludwig von Mises Institute ^ | December 28, 2001 | Ilana Mercer

[dcwusmc]

Right, sweetcheeks. And self defense is still valid, as the Supremes AND the state Supremes have affirmed time and again. You as a cop are not given some special dispensation to break down doors just 'cause you got a badge. In fact, you are supposedly held to a HIGHER standard than I am. So door breaking the wrong house can (and SHOULD) get you killed. You have NO AUTHORITY to use the tactics you do. You have the POWER, yeah, but you have no legitimate authority and you're scared to death somebody will realize that. Killing a cop who breaks and enters is not a whit different from killing an ordinary burglar or other home-invasion robber in the eyes of the law. Unless your buds are gonna plant a lot of Barbra Streisand evidence afterwards, which seems to happen quite a bit, thug.

[Cultural Jihad]

It's not exactly the libertarian doctrine. Most libertarians would probably not agree with me as you can see by some of the responses.

Perhaps so, but for your idea on proscribing the unnecessary suffering of animals I have much more respect for you than I had before. Now if we can move along to the idea of proscribing unneeded suffering among human beings, that would be great.

[eno_]

This also illustrates conventional thinking (or lack of ability to learn). Why do dangerous no-knock raids, which are constitutionally very dubious and should be reserved for the real "Al-Quaida is about to pop a nuke" scenarios, when you can arrest the people working the meth lab outside the house and take down the lab at your leisure. Yes, some labs that might have been taken down will not be, but it isn't as if the Drug Warriors lack targets. Are the results of no-knock raids worth the tragic mistakes?

[tpaine]

THIS is an embarrassment:

"Why can't I make your wife a prostitute, or screw a goat in front of your kids, or sell them drugs?
What are you gonna do TPaine? Pass a Law? - #982

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But, what the hell, ---- your 'friends' have no shame either.

[Roscoe]

Killing a cop who breaks and enters is not a whit different from killing an ordinary burglar or other home-invasion robber in the eyes of the law.

Pleading insanity is a popular alternate defense.

[Jhoffa_]

Do you really think for instance that if by some miracle libertarians suddenly got their wish and were elected at all levels of government that there would be a run on sheep for the purpose of public beastieality? I mean come on.

No..

No, of course not..

But, no matter how well intentioned you are (And I believe most of you are, at least here on FR) there will always be the Larry Flynt's of the world who will use your rules to engage in bad behavior and will attempt to force it on the rest of us. He doesn't care about "FReedom" for the sake of being free. He wants to normalize his behavior.

Deviants like this are worlds away from the values we hold dear.

(PS: In case you haven't heard.. Larry Flynt engages in this type of behavior.. with Chickens.. He's a bona-fied chicken screwer.. Pray he doesn't move in next door to you. )

[Demidog]

Self defense has been used and been successful as both a literal defnse at the scene and in court. But then, you know that.

[dcwusmc]

Not needed. It's only insane when you let an invader LIVE. Too many times a householder has WOUNDED a robber and wound up being SUED by the SOB. And I would venture to say that with the scares we've had over the last several months, a LOT more folks are getting armed and you thugs are gonna bleed a lot more. ESPECIALLY with all of the horror stories about you JBTs knocking down the WRONG door and killing innocent people. No, no needle for killing a home invader, even one with a badge and a bad or non-existent warrant. So sorry!

[Jhoffa_]

Night TPaine..

Stay away from my cat please.

[Demidog]

no-knocks are strictly PR moves. The police do them in order to get more funding. They are patently unconsitutional but to some, the Supreme court is actually more reliable than the constitution itself. They could care less if a few cops get offed on the way. This is bigger than the cops on the line who are the first to get shafted when the excrement hits the rotating device.

[Texasforever]

Otherwise, Virginia may have protections against unreasonable searches and seizures and Georgia might not. Or North Carolina would have the right to keep and bear arms and Connecticut might not.

That does not compute. IF the Federal Constitution covers all state citizens then why not just say that there is a national constitution that all states must abide by? If what you are saying is true, the state constitutions are redundant at best. Now, if the federal constitution is ratified to repeal the 2nd amendment, does that mean that Texas must follow that edict?

[Demidog]

But, no matter how well intentioned you are (And I believe most of you are, at least here on FR) there will always be the Larry Flynt's of the world who will use your rules to engage in bad behavior and will attempt to force it on the rest of us.

You're trying gun control logic here. It doesn't work in the gun control debate and it doesn't work here either.

[dcwusmc]

Hey, Larry Flynt is a demo-rat, so why use him?

Besides, I could point you to an LAPD captain (true fact!) who used to do the same thing in his office at work, so where's your beef? The cop wasn't libertarian, neither is Larry Flynt.

Hey, Roscoe... was it LAPD you work for? What rank are ya?

[Demidog]

Now if we can move along to the idea of proscribing unneeded suffering among human beings, that would be great.

Yes let's. When will you start supporting the right of people to chose the medication that works best for them? Put your money where your mouth is. Frankly I have no belief that you care much at all for human sufferers.

You'd rather see them thrown in jail than smoke a joint.

[Roscoe]

Self defense has been used and been successful as both a literal defnse at the scene and in court.

Drug dealers who shoot police might avoid the death penalty. I know someone who won $1,000 on a scratch-off.

[Demidog]

IF the Federal Constitution covers all state citizens then why not just say that there is a national constitution that all states must abide by?

Because there are powers not given to the feds which are given to the states. Those powers just don't happen to cover the outlawing of any rights enumerated in the bill of rights. What does the 10th amendment mean to you?

[dcwusmc]

I think it was West Hollywood the Captain worked out of. Which precinct do YOU work out of? Not that YOU'd do such a thing, now. Of COURSE not. You just kick down doors and shoot innocent people, don't you?

[AKbear]

The federal Constitution covers all state's citizens rights. The form of government and the laws each state may pass can be anything, provided they are not in contravention to the things that are prohibited by Section 10 of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

Some states have a bi-camereal legislature, some don't. Some governors have a lot of power, some are weak. Some states have laws governing the sale of alcohol, some don't. Some states allow gambling, some don't. Some allow prostitution, some don't.

The constancy in all this is they may not violate the Bill of Rights, although many do in some manner.

[Demidog]

Drug dealers who shoot police might avoid the death penalty.

Some drug dealers who have shot police issuing illegal warrants have gotten off scot free and rightfully so.

[AKbear]

The federal Constitution covers all state's citizens rights. The form of government and the laws each state may pass can be anything, provided they are not in contravention to the things that are prohibited by Section 10 of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

Some states have a bi-camereal legislature, some don't. Some governors have a lot of power, some are weak. Some states have laws governing the sale of alcohol, some don't. Some states allow gambling, some don't. Some allow prostitution, some don't.

The constancy in all this is they may not violate the Bill of Rights, although many do in some manner.