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Ludwig von Mises Institute ^ | December 28, 2001 | Ilana Mercer

Posted on 12/30/2001 1:25:13 AM PST by NoCurrentFreeperByThatName

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To: Zon
>>A major, major, I repeat major problem is that congress writes so many unconstitutional laws and it takes ten times as long to get the court to rule on just one of them. That's one way the government grew into the leviathan that it is. <<

I agree. I have often suggested we need a few more amendments to the constitution. One would be "Congress may only produce 1000 laws, and each law is limited to 1000 words." Anytime they want to add a new law, they have to repeal an old law first. We might have a chance at keeping up with these idiots if this were the law of the land.

I would apply the same rule to the states.

1,381 posted on 01/01/2002 11:01:33 PM PST by LloydofDSS
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To: Roscoe
It does need to be. Can the Feds outlaw tomato growing?
1,382 posted on 01/01/2002 11:02:10 PM PST by Demidog
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To: Cultural Jihad
The laws will not be overturned just because someone happens to read tpaine's smarmy comments here on FreeRepublic.

There aren't millions of readers hanging on our every word!?

1,383 posted on 01/01/2002 11:02:58 PM PST by Roscoe
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To: Roscoe
Federalist #14

In the first place it is to be remembered that the general government is not to be charged with the whole power of making and administering laws. Its jurisdiction is limited to certain enumerated objects, which concern all the members of the republic, but which are not to be attained by the separate provisions of any.

James Madison disagrees, Roscoe. Geez, Roscoe, this is the second time I have provided the link.

1,384 posted on 01/01/2002 11:03:58 PM PST by AKbear
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To: Demidog
Can the Feds outlaw tomato growing?

On what basis?

1,385 posted on 01/01/2002 11:04:04 PM PST by Roscoe
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To: Roscoe
And what, pray tell, have the Libertarians and their allies brought to the table, other than hot air?

I'm not a Libertarian. I am ally of people seeking honesty and real justice. Since you asked...

There is one thing stronger than all the armies in the world, and that is an idea whose time has come. -- Victor Hugo (1802-1885)  

Would you do business with traitor John Walker?

Stop playing by their rules.

In a world of law abiding citizens -- people that don't initiate force -- they have nothing to hide. The parasitical elite -- the most destructive users of the initiation of force, fraud and coercion -- have that to hide. They have to hide their true parasitical colors. They do it by an array of illusions. But illusions are just that. All illusions eventually collapse when the the spotlight of honesty and wide-scope accounting is shinned on them.

While past performance is not a guarantee of future performance, it is a ten times more likely to be an accurate gauge for what a politician will do than a politician that merely proclaims what he or she will do.

Make it mandatory that every politician show their government ID when purchasing any good or service. After all, we are their employer and they our employees. The People are the master.

The ostracism matrix database. A database that gives an objective rating of each politicians past performance. How often did the congressperson vote in favor of a law that violates the constitution or bill of rights? How often did the politician violate his or her oath of office to the people and the constitution? Each politician has earned his or her value destruction rating.

Picture this. A politician or bureaucrat is at the check out counter and must show his government employee ID. The sales clerk checks it against the ostracism database and says, "Sir, you have a triple AAA value destruction rating. Get out of here now. We don't sell to parasites or value destroyers."

Just as consumers rely heavily on the track record of past performance when they buy a car or chose a contractor to build a house even more scrutiny of past performance should be applied to electing politicians. The best track records of past performance are that of the businessman. Either they deliver as their track record shows or they get out-competed.

Value Destroyers versus Value Producers 

If civilization had to chose between business/science and government/bureaucracy, eliminating the other, which is the better choice?

The first thing civilization must have is business/science. It's what the family needs so that its members can live creative, productive, happy lives. Business/science can survive, even thrive without government/bureaucracy.

Government/bureaucracy cannot survive without business/science. In general, business/science and family is the host and government/bureaucracy is a parasite.

Aside from that, keep valid government services that protect individual rights and property. Military defense, FBI, CIA, police and courts. With the rest of government striped away those few valid services would be several fold more efficient and effective than they are today. 

Underwriters Laboratory is a private sector business that has to compete in a capitalist market. Underwriters laboratory is a good example of success where government fails.

Any government agency that is a value to the people and society could better serve the people by being in the private sector where competition demands maximum performance.

Wake up! We are the host. They are the parasites. We don't need them. They need us.

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Overcoming objection: 

I oppose an ostracism database because of the potential for expansion and abuse.

Almost everything has the potential for expansion and abuse. Just look at the government. Talk about huge waste, expansion and abuse.

Politicians can't be trusted that's why we have a constitution and Bill of Rights. The ostracism database would be transparent. Sort of like how this forum is transparent. Several Freepers are able to accurately identify unconstitutional laws, violations of the Bill of Rights, government abuse of citizens and politicians and bureaucrats that violate their oath of office.

The ostracism matrix database will be a business venture and not controlled by the government that can't be trusted. A government watchdog, so to speak. Based on honesty and wide-scope accounting any valid error would be corrected upon the identification of the error. 

If the regular law abiding customers knew the true colors of the parasitical elite many would refuse to shop at a store that sells to politicians and bureaucrats. Thus the store owner has a choice; charge the parasite a much higher price than regular customers or kick them out of their store. Most store owners would rather kick them out of the store than take a politician's blood money.

Do you think the ostracism database and politician/bureaucrat ID would clean up government waste and abuse in a hurry? 

1,386 posted on 01/01/2002 11:04:17 PM PST by Zon
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To: tpaine
What was slander or slur? What comment was it? Was it my response to my first exposure to the Libertarian platform?
1,387 posted on 01/01/2002 11:05:12 PM PST by A CA Guy
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To: Cultural Jihad
Smarmy? -- Such an enlightened word, oh illumined yogi.

You got a point?

1,388 posted on 01/01/2002 11:05:13 PM PST by tpaine
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To: Roscoe
Federalist #42

The defect of power in the existing Confederacy to regulate the commerce between its several members, is in the number of those which have been clearly pointed out by experience. To the proofs and remarks which former papers have brought into view on this subject, it may be added that without this supplemental provision, the great and essential power of regulating foreign commerce would have been incomplete and ineffectual. A very material object of this power was the relief of the States which import and export through other States, from the improper contributions levied on them by the latter. Were these at liberty to regulate the trade between State and State, it must be foreseen that ways would be found out to load the articles of import and export, during the passage through their jurisdiction, with duties which would fall on the makers of the latter and the consumers of the former. We may be assured by past experience, that such a practice would be introduced by future contrivances; and both by that and a common knowledge of human affairs, that it would nourish unceasing animosities, and not improbably terminate in serious interruptions of the public tranquillity. To those who do not view the question through the medium of passion or of interest, the desire of the commercial States to collect, in any form, an indirect revenue from their uncommercial neighbors, must appear not less impolitic than it is unfair; since it would stimulate the injured party, by resentment as well as interest, to resort to less convenient channels for their foreign trade. But the mild voice of reason, pleading the cause of an enlarged and permanent interest, is but too often drowned, before public bodies as well as individuals, by the clamors of an impatient avidity for immediate and immoderate gain.

Geez, Roscoe. This is at least the 2nd time I have provided the link.

1,389 posted on 01/01/2002 11:08:27 PM PST by AKbear
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To: AKbear
In the first place it is to be remembered that the general government is not to be charged with the whole power of making and administering laws.

They're not. Thanks for playing.

1,390 posted on 01/01/2002 11:08:35 PM PST by Roscoe
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To: Cultural Jihad

A CA Guy: It is the law of the land despite the feelings of anyone until the issue is brought before the highest court. So if so many believe it is unconstitutional the party should challenge it in court.1358

Cultural Jihad wrote: Sheesh. Apparently you and your Libertarian buddies are not really serious in your concerns or outrages then. Please take my word for it: The laws will not be overturned just because someone happens to read tpaine's smarmy comments here on FreeRepublic.1379

Cultural Jihad, you conveniently plucked one sentence from the paragraph. Here's the full paragraph: 

A major, major, I repeat major problem is that congress writes so many unconstitutional laws and it takes ten times as long to get the court to rule on just one of them. That's one way the government grew into the leviathan that it is. All you've suggested is more of the same. You're the politicians and bureaucrats friend.1369


1,391 posted on 01/01/2002 11:11:39 PM PST by Zon
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To: AKbear
The defect of power in the existing Confederacy to regulate the commerce between its several members, is in the number of those which have been clearly pointed out by experience.

Thanks again.

1,392 posted on 01/01/2002 11:12:32 PM PST by Roscoe
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To: Roscoe
Can the Feds outlaw tomato growing?

On what basis? - roscoe -

On your 'rotten meat' precedence, of course.
Rotten t'maters are even worse.

1,393 posted on 01/01/2002 11:13:32 PM PST by tpaine
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To: LloydofDSS

Cool idea in general, Lloyd! Rather than the number of laws, even more important is that they no more be written in legalese by lawyers so that lawyers need to be hired to read them and understand them. All laws should be written in plain English, since they govern plain English-speakers and their enforcement is paid for by plain English-speakers.

1,394 posted on 01/01/2002 11:13:45 PM PST by Cultural Jihad
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To: Zon
I am ally of people seeking honesty and real justice.

Gotta cape? What are your powers?

1,395 posted on 01/01/2002 11:14:08 PM PST by Roscoe
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To: Roscoe
Read the rest of it, Roscoe. I know that's hard for you, but try.

Its jurisdiction is limited to certain enumerated objects...

1,396 posted on 01/01/2002 11:15:30 PM PST by AKbear
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To: Roscoe
Once again, read the whole thing, Roscoe.
1,397 posted on 01/01/2002 11:16:18 PM PST by AKbear
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To: LloydofDSS
One would be "Congress may only produce 1000 laws, and each law is limited to 1000 words."

Here's the Amendment I wanted added to the constitution...

Principle One: No person, group of persons, or government may initiate force, threat of force, or fraud against any individual.

Principle Two: Force may be morally and legally used only in self-defense against those who violate Principle One.

Principle Three: No exceptions shall be allowed for Principle One and Two.  

And this: 

All jurors will be informed that they have the option of jury nullification. 

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Principle One is first a law. For every instance that a person has force initiated against them there is a loss to that person. Only the person/victim knows the true value of their loss. The law underlying Principle One is as true as physics law.

All a person need be concerned with is whether he or she has been the victim and who violated Principle One. Then prove that to a jury.

Thus the ultimate purpose of the jury is to decide if harm has been done to the person claiming to be a victim and to what extent the person has been harmed. All jurors will be informed that they have the option of jury nullification. Objective law; The Point Law  nullifies agenda law and

1,398 posted on 01/01/2002 11:17:05 PM PST by Zon
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To: Cultural Jihad
It would be nice if the politicians met only a month a year and would review removing many old laws.
1,399 posted on 01/01/2002 11:18:12 PM PST by A CA Guy
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To: Zon
Thanks. I'm well aware what I plucked and what I didn't. Anyone is free to read what you had written. I am frankly saddened by your defeatist attitude you had expressed, and didn't want to embarrass you too much. In essence you threw your hands in the air and said "What's the use of challenging unConstitutional laws in a court of law? It's all just too much bother!" (sorry for the paraphrase, but that was the gist). In reply, I stated that that is the way things are done around here in the civilized world where the rule of law is honored. Now, if you are one of those ideologue/militia types who claims America is in an "awkward stage" between civility and open, murderous rebellion, then I have no more to say to you.
1,400 posted on 01/01/2002 11:20:11 PM PST by Cultural Jihad
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