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Addicted to the Drug War
Ludwig von Mises Institute ^ | December 28, 2001 | Ilana Mercer

Posted on 12/30/2001 1:25:13 AM PST by NoCurrentFreeperByThatName

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To: Hemlock
They liked the fact that the articles suggested drug legalization and the fact that they pointed to the growth of drug addicts were very secondary issues.
441 posted on 12/30/2001 11:34:10 PM PST by A CA Guy
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To: Roscoe
Libertarians don't like "children's codes", ages of consent, things like that.

Nasty Republicans want to starve children. Distortions aren't facts. You behave like a Democrat as you play "ends justify means." Say whatever is needed as long as your position of power is secured. Smear, misrepresent, whatever.

442 posted on 12/30/2001 11:34:25 PM PST by laredo44
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To: Roscoe
Dangerous in some areas!
443 posted on 12/30/2001 11:34:59 PM PST by A CA Guy
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To: Roscoe
On crack?

I'd guess some of them rode on the cracks, sure. No word about their mothers' backs or anything, at least not in the papers.

444 posted on 12/30/2001 11:37:44 PM PST by laredo44
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To: laredo44
I guess since their parents have landed on their heads often they figure it's also healthy for the kids! LOL

You are going to extremes. How do you equate illegal drug use/drug addiction and a bike helmet law?

445 posted on 12/30/2001 11:38:07 PM PST by A CA Guy
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To: laredo44
Explain the platform in those areas for us please laredo44.
446 posted on 12/30/2001 11:39:09 PM PST by A CA Guy
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To: Roscoe
It is a liberal political area. I never realized there were liberal ideals in some of the Libertarian platform.
447 posted on 12/30/2001 11:41:25 PM PST by A CA Guy
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To: laredo44
Nasty Republicans want to starve children.

False.

Read the Libertarian Party platform:

We call for repeal of all "children's codes" or statutes which abridge due process protections for young people.

448 posted on 12/30/2001 11:42:57 PM PST by Roscoe
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To: Roscoe
Happy New Year.
I have chest congestion from a cold last week and I am in need of rest.

The more I read the platform, the less I see it as conservative. WOW

I am honestly shocked. I really didn't expect to read that in their platform. WOW!

449 posted on 12/30/2001 11:46:32 PM PST by A CA Guy
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To: A CA Guy
The more I read the platform, the less I see it as conservative. WOW

Bingo. They are moral-liberals who despise conservatism, not unlike the DNC, the Greens, or the Spartacist League.

450 posted on 12/30/2001 11:49:50 PM PST by Cultural Jihad
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To: Dosa26
Interesting...it brings to mind a conversation that I had with a 16 year old neighbor-child some years ago. I asked him what he wanted to do with his life, how he planned to succeed. He said that he wanted to sell drugs so that he could drop out of school, make lots of money and not have to work.

If it weren't for the War on Drugs, this kid wouldn't even have a market.

Question: why aren't there many moonshiners today? Answer: Prohibition was repealed. Question: why did moonshining continue after Prohibition, albeit on a much smaller scale? Answer: excessive taxation. Question: why are there people in California selling black-market cigarettes? Answer: excessive taxation. Question: why do people sell crack on street corners? Answer: YOU ANSWER THIS ONE, GOOBER
451 posted on 12/30/2001 11:54:15 PM PST by Hemlock
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To: A CA Guy
Take care, get well.
452 posted on 12/30/2001 11:57:19 PM PST by Roscoe
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To: A CA Guy
You are going to extremes.

I've been known to do that. 8~).

How do you equate illegal drug use/drug addiction and a bike helmet law?

I was tying in your remark about drugs making their way to children through adults. Not everything every adult is the best, for themselves or their children. I'm sure you're a pretty decent guy and what you want is generally good. I doubt I live my life much different from what you advocate, I certainly warn my children often about the problems of drugs.

Where I diverge is that I don't want to make so many things against the law. I think that works at cross purposes to the desired outcome and many people chafe at the perceived yoke you offer. Admittedly many don't, but those that do get all bent out of shape at someone telling them what to do. They get all confused about the law, in general, and begin deciding which laws they want to obey and which they don't. People start having serious problems trying to explain why booze is legal and pot isn't. I've yet to see a defensible answer to booze vs pot -- one I'd risk my reputation with my kids over. I just think there are lots and lots of unintended consequences with these morality laws.

I have a pretty good idea who I am and know I'm not going to be doing a bunch of harmful stuff to myself or my family regardless of the current laws. I also believe I'm not so special and that the vast majority won't get caught in a vicious life. They'll know better and act accordingly. As far as kids go, they'll learn and pretty much do what's right, after some experimentation just as they always have. Will some stumble? I'd be surprised if they didn't, but who's got the foolproof solution?

453 posted on 12/30/2001 11:59:22 PM PST by laredo44
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To: Hemlock
1789
454 posted on 12/30/2001 11:59:52 PM PST by Roscoe
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To: A CA Guy; roscoe
Yep, there are a lot of constitutional violations in the lawbooks.

Thats why free republic is here, - to discuss them, & work to correct them, just as JR was quoted as saying above.

Why are you here? -- 413 posted by tpaine

To debate many ideas and point out the difference between good and evil regarding illegal drug use on these kinds of threads. But I am hardly a one issue person.

Yep, and you also aren't an honest person. here you are, just a few minutes after proclaiming your good 'debate' intentions, swapping slurs about libertarans with a full of hate creep like roscoe.

You have no honor.

455 posted on 12/31/2001 12:00:18 AM PST by tpaine
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To: tpaine
Libertarians read imaginary provisions into our Constitution even more readily that liberals do.
456 posted on 12/31/2001 12:04:21 AM PST by Roscoe
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To: Hemlock
If it weren't for the War on Drugs, this kid wouldn't even have a market.

Laws do not create a market, only supply and demand do. The moral-liberal-run industries (which the L.P. lauds) help to fuel the demand. You want to end the WOD (assuming there is even one) then ban pornography and abortion and throw the pornographers and abortionists in jail, and we can win the WOD overnight.


** The Government **

The government has a responsibility to enforce the laws. But it does much more than that. It sets a moral standard, based on the knowledge that some practices have evil consequences.

Doctors are aware how harmful sodomy is. The intestines were not designed for this purpose, and expensive operations have to be done to repair the damaged muscles and intestinal tissue. Diseases, also, are introduced through sodomy.

Practices which are harmful to the practitioners, as well as society, should not be encouraged. Such practices should be frowned upon, and not allowed. It would be cruel to allow people and society to suffer. We have no problem decrying the harmfulness of tobacco. But not sodomy, and other sexual perversions.

Why is this so?

The word "liberal" used to be religious term, denoting generosity of giving. Now, it's a secular term of licentiousness.

The vast majority of people are moral and decent. But in all the areas of power in this country, in the media, the advertisers, the entertainment industry, the government, the universities and schools, there are powerful groups of liberals who think if only people would fall into a "let live" attitude in morals, everything would be fine.

The whole liberal power-structure is geared to lowering morality, and they see it as a "crusade" to bring "freedom."

The bottomline, though, is greed. That is the driving-force behind their campaign against morality. Immorality generates money, and they're right behind, scooping it up.

Source: The Wisdom of the Ages

457 posted on 12/31/2001 12:06:46 AM PST by Cultural Jihad
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To: Hemlock
If it weren't for the War on Drugs, this kid wouldn't even have a market.

Yes, quite so. That was my point, I left it a bit hanging, hoping those with eyes and reason would see it and come to understanding themselves.;-)

458 posted on 12/31/2001 12:09:06 AM PST by Dosa26
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To: Roscoe
You never were able to refute my points about the 14th, earlier on his thread, were you hotshot?

Roscoe = all blow, no show.

459 posted on 12/31/2001 12:09:17 AM PST by tpaine
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To: tpaine
Liberal read imaginary provisions into the 14th Amendment to justify their desire for partial birth birth abortions. Hardly surprising to see Libertarians trying to ape the tactic.
460 posted on 12/31/2001 12:11:53 AM PST by Roscoe
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