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Lost Civilisation From 7,500 BC Discovered Off Indian Coast
Ananova ^ | 1-16-2002

Posted on 01/16/2002 5:18:59 AM PST by blam

Lost civilisation from 7,500 BC discovered off Indian coast

Archaeologists have found a civilisation dating back to 7,500 BC off India's western coast.

The find is 5,000 years older than any previously unearthed civilisation in the subcontinent.

Researchers uncovered pottery, beads, sculptures, a fossilised jaw bone and human teeth at the Gulf of Cambay site.(DNA tests?)

Previously, the oldest known civilisations were the Harrapan and Indus Valley communities - which date from around 2,500BC.

Murli Manohar Joshi, minister for human resources and ocean development, told The Times of India: "The findings buried 40 metres below the sea reveal some sort of human civilisation, a courtyard, staircase, a bathroom or a temple."

Researchers used carbon-dating techniques. The find was made by the Indian ocean development and archaeology institutes.

Story filed: 12:43 Wednesday 16th January 2002


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: archaeology; catastrophism; ggg; godsgravesglyphs; grahamhancock; gulfofcambay; history; india
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Another coastal city covered by the ice melt at the end of the Ice Age?
1 posted on 01/16/2002 5:18:59 AM PST by blam
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To: blam
Interesting stuff. Forgive my ignorance, but is ananova a trustworthy news source? If so, this article is rather groovy (as the kids say)
2 posted on 01/16/2002 5:27:42 AM PST by WindMinstrel
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To: WindMinstrel
Atlantis?
3 posted on 01/16/2002 5:32:50 AM PST by MJemison
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To: blam

Head of Mummy unearthed at burial site.

4 posted on 01/16/2002 5:35:52 AM PST by Doc Savage
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To: WindMinstrel
(From BBC)

Wednesday, 16 January, 2002, 13:14 GMT

Indian civilisation '9,000 years old'

By Rajyasri Rao in Delhi

Marine scientists in India say an archaeological site off India's western coast may be up to 9,000 years old.

The revelation comes some 18 months after acoustic images from the sea-bed suggested the presence of built-up structures resembling the ancient Harappan civilisation which dates back around 4,000 years.

The Harappan civilisation is the oldest in the subcontinent.

Although Palaeolithic sites dating back around 20,000 years have been found on the coast of India's western state of Gujarat before, this is the first time there are indications of man-made structures as old as 9,500 years found deep beneath the sea.

Search impeded

Known as the Gulf of Cambay, the area has been subject to a great deal of archaeological interest due to its proximity to another ancient submerged site - Dwaraka - in the nearby Gulf of Kutch.

But investigations in the Cambay region have been made more difficult by strong tidal currents running at around 2 to 3 metres per second.

They impede any sustained underwater studies.

Marine scientists led by the Madras-based National Institute of Ocean Technology say they got around this problem by taking acoustic images off the sea-bed and using dredging equipment to extract artefacts.

A second round of investigations was conducted around three months ago.

'Glorious past'

The Indian Minister for Ocean Technology, Murli Manohar Joshi, told journalists the images indicated not only symmetrical man-made structures but also a paleo-river running for around nine kilometres on whose banks all the artefacts were discovered.

Experts say submerged pottery may offer a clue

Carbon dating carried out on one of these artefacts - a block of wood bearing the signs of deep fissures - dated it to around 7,595 BC.

Mr Joshi says his ministry plans to set up a multi-disciplinary group to look into what this discovery really means and what relation it may have to other ancient sites in the area.

Critics say the minister, who has been in the eye of a storm recently for attempts to Hinduise school history-text books, may well be presenting these archaeological discoveries as proof of India's glorious and ancient past.

But others say only further scientific studies can tell whether such a claim can be made at all.

5 posted on 01/16/2002 5:37:54 AM PST by blam
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To: blam
a bathroom or a temple

Insert your joke here.

6 posted on 01/16/2002 5:41:59 AM PST by Fifth Business
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To: RightWhale;LostTribe;JudyB1938;Ada Coddington
Another underwater city.
7 posted on 01/16/2002 6:26:23 AM PST by blam
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To: blam
For those of you who may have missed this one: Update On Mysterious Deep Water Sonar Images Off Western Cuba
8 posted on 01/16/2002 6:30:24 AM PST by blam
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To: blam
Feel free to put me on your lost city/archeology list...
9 posted on 01/16/2002 6:35:29 AM PST by abner
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To: blam
BUMP
10 posted on 01/16/2002 6:40:39 AM PST by Aurelius
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To: blam
Welllll....it's kind of a stretch, but I wish them luck. Actually, both Sumerian and Egyptian civilizations go back before 2500 BC, and the Indus Valley civilization may be even older, but this is a newspaper and not a textbook. Part of the problem is the definition of what constitutes a "civilization" - a collection of mud huts around a temple may or may not qualify depending on where you set the bar. I'll be following this story in the hopes they unearth more.
11 posted on 01/16/2002 7:00:40 AM PST by Billthedrill
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To: blam
Wow! This is a more plausible than the one off Cuba. Seen any pictures yet?
12 posted on 01/16/2002 7:08:28 AM PST by Ada Coddington
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Another coastal city covered by the ice melt at the end of the Ice Age?

Probably so. Any cities or villages along ancient coastlines would have been inundated by the rising seas.

Remember, sea levels were several hundred feet lower during the last Ice Age.

Most people then, like now, lived near the sea, especially near river deltas and sites where rivers and streams emptied into the seas.

13 posted on 01/16/2002 7:13:12 AM PST by Jay W
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To: blam
attempts to Hinduise school history-text books

This is a public relations problem. Were the inhabitants of this palatial country estate actually Hindu, or were they related at all to the present inhabitants of India? There appear to be swamped and inundated stone city ruins all around the planet, both New World, and Old World. These ruins appear to predate even the Indo-European roots of our modern languages. Any inscriptions?

14 posted on 01/16/2002 8:54:29 AM PST by RightWhale
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To: Gods, Graves, Glyphs
bump
15 posted on 01/16/2002 9:03:31 AM PST by spycatcher
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Comment #16 Removed by Moderator

To: RightWhale;Ada Coddington;spycatcher;Jay W

17 posted on 01/16/2002 11:08:09 AM PST by blam
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach;rightofrush;Sabertooth;whiterose;MarkWar;Ditter;boris;ValerieUSA;LarryLied

Experts say submerged pottery may offer a clue.

18 posted on 01/16/2002 11:14:21 AM PST by blam
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To: blam
Fascinating!

Thanks for the flag!

To find all articles tagged or indexed using 'Gods, Graves, Glyphs'

Click here: 'Gods, Graves, Glyphs'

19 posted on 01/16/2002 11:22:25 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: Billthedrill
See the link above!
20 posted on 01/16/2002 11:23:10 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach;abner
Thanks Ernest. Abner, see post number 19 for all significant posting recently.
21 posted on 01/16/2002 11:27:31 AM PST by blam
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To: Jay W
"Remember, sea levels were several hundred feet lower during the last Ice Age."

300-500 feet. Most people accept 400 feet, as a rule of thumb.

22 posted on 01/16/2002 11:29:20 AM PST by blam
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To: blam
"The findings buried 40 metres below the sea reveal some sort of human civilisation, a courtyard, staircase, a bathroom or a temple."

Ummmm. This is definitive...

23 posted on 01/16/2002 11:31:05 AM PST by lepton
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach, blam
Nice link, Ern. Please include me on your bump lists for archeological articles. Fascinating!
24 posted on 01/16/2002 11:36:02 AM PST by PoisedWoman
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To: blam
Etruscan
25 posted on 01/16/2002 11:37:44 AM PST by RightWhale
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To: blam
Although Palaeolithic sites dating back around 20,000 years have been found on the coast of India's western state of Gujarat before

Do you have more information or links to the 20,000-year-old sites? thanks.

26 posted on 01/16/2002 11:37:57 AM PST by PoisedWoman
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To: PoisedWoman
Try this thread (numerous articles): Calico: A 200,000-Year Old Site In The Americas?
27 posted on 01/16/2002 11:46:05 AM PST by blam
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To: RightWhale
"Etruscan"

Don't know. (Haven't developed a 'blam' theory on this one yet. It will need to 'soak' a couple more days, lol)

28 posted on 01/16/2002 11:48:08 AM PST by blam
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Kewl! Thanks for the link!
29 posted on 01/16/2002 12:22:27 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Do you have a ping list? If so, please add me to it. Thanks....
30 posted on 01/16/2002 12:27:07 PM PST by manna
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To: blam
Cool discovery blam... I'm wondering if discoveries of sites from before the Tower of Babel incident will reveal only one language in use for all people then. Okay, so I'm a kook.
31 posted on 01/16/2002 1:12:40 PM PST by ValerieUSA
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To: blam
Thanks. I'll bet you are an arrowhead hunter & rock collector.
32 posted on 01/16/2002 1:30:44 PM PST by Ditter
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To: blam
Thanks for link to that treasury of information! Bookmarked.
33 posted on 01/16/2002 1:40:45 PM PST by PoisedWoman
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To: blam
300-500 feet. Most people accept 400 feet, as a rule of thumb.

Any reliable time-frame estimate? If the town flooded in 7500 BC, it might have been around even longer.

34 posted on 01/16/2002 3:05:55 PM PST by Ada Coddington
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"I'll bet you are an arrowhead hunter & rock collector."

Book collector, lol.

35 posted on 01/16/2002 3:57:05 PM PST by blam
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To: Ada Coddington
"Any reliable time-frame estimate? If the town flooded in 7500 BC, it might have been around even longer."

I posted the only two mentions I've seen of this discovery. I expect any civilization found at this site will exceed the dates posted. The theories about the Sphinx being about 10k years old don't seem so foreign now, huh?

36 posted on 01/16/2002 4:01:34 PM PST by blam
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To: ValerieUSA
"I'm wondering if discoveries of sites from before the Tower of Babel incident will reveal only one language in use for all people then."

I would say, NAH. There were people all over the world then and had many different languages.

37 posted on 01/16/2002 4:04:12 PM PST by blam
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To: blam
Well, I'll bet you collect intresting books. ;9)
38 posted on 01/16/2002 4:17:51 PM PST by Ditter
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To: Allman_Brothers_Rule
"Check out the legend of the "Nine Unknown Men." Do a Google search. It's pretty heady stuff."

I did a search on this subject. All I found were articles about the Bavarian Illuminati and 3,000 year old Egyptian aircraft. No word about these nine fellows. Can you provide a link?

39 posted on 01/16/2002 4:25:10 PM PST by blam
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To: blam
Great! I've always strongly believed "civilization" is much older than most of the conventional wisdom claims, so anything that helps push the clock back is always interesting news.
40 posted on 01/16/2002 5:59:32 PM PST by white rose
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"Great! I've always strongly believed "civilization" is much older than most of the conventional wisdom claims, so anything that helps push the clock back is always interesting news."

That's exactly my view too.

41 posted on 01/16/2002 6:50:33 PM PST by blam
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To: Dixie Sass
Ping
42 posted on 01/16/2002 7:45:31 PM PST by dixie sass
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To: blam
Bump for the early morning crew.
43 posted on 01/17/2002 4:11:04 AM PST by blam
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To: Billthedrill
temple may or may not qualify depending on where you set the bar.

To qualify as civilization, a place definitely has got to have a bar or two. A town is just not civilized without a saloon.

44 posted on 01/17/2002 4:37:59 AM PST by arthurus
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"To qualify as civilization, a place definitely has got to have a bar or two. A town is just not civilized without a saloon."

Agreed. Any idea what kind of 'brew' they would have been drinking 9,000 years ago?

45 posted on 01/17/2002 9:51:15 AM PST by blam
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To: RightWhale
A Forgotten Site Yields Ancient Stone Tools in India

By Michael A. Stowe

An archaeological site discovered nearly 140 years ago in southern India is now yielding a remarkable collection of early Stone Age tools found in association with ancient animal footprints.

The Attirampakkam site, discovered in Tamil Nadu state by British geologist Robert Bruce Foote in 1863, was littered with stone tools. It had been sporadically excavated over the years, but little was ever published about it. Then archaeologist Shanti Pappu of the Sharma Centre for Heritage Education made a startling discovery there in 1991. Beneath the layers of dirt and clay, his team found remnants of Acheulean tools — an Old World stone-tool technology that began about 1 million years ago and lasted for nearly 900,000 years.

The stone-tool assemblage, the first Paleolithic tools ever found in clay deposits anywhere in India, includes hand axes, cleavers, picks, awls, scrapers, knives and stone flakes that were used as tools, all crafted from local quartzite.

Pappu said 17 roughly oval, animal-like footprints were found this past year in the clay layer that held the tools. The footprints and three fossilized teeth also found in the clay may help scientists sort out India’s ancient environment.

“This season’s excavations were important owing to the discovery of animal footprints in association with Acheulean artifacts,” says Pappu. “These factors render the site on par with other Achulean sites in East Africa and indicate its immense potential for long-term study.”

46 posted on 01/17/2002 2:06:41 PM PST by blam
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To qualify as civilization

Some kind of civic order is necessary for beer, bread, and cheese. Moose not necessary.

47 posted on 01/17/2002 2:18:58 PM PST by RightWhale
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To: blam
Nice post. This I remember reading somewhere...but I'm sure I was above sea level at the time.
48 posted on 04/06/2002 10:08:31 PM PST by goody2shooz
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To: farmfriend;Focault's Pendulum
You may have missed this one.
49 posted on 04/07/2002 5:04:19 AM PDT by blam
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To: Fifth Business
... a bathroom or a temple."

Let's see, daily offerings, place of refuge, always being fought over for control; So what's the difference?

50 posted on 04/07/2002 5:40:30 AM PDT by TheBlackFeather
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