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Towards a Lasting Middle East Peace
12/11/2001 | By: Rabbi Yisroel D. Weiss of Neturei Karta International

Posted on 01/20/2002 8:45:33 AM PST by Demidog

At the National Press Club, Washington DC , 11 December 2001

With G-D’s help May the Creator grant that my words find favor in His eyes.

Each day’s news brings with it horrible tales of suffering from the Holy Land . The death toll on both sides mounts steadily. Indeed, so overwhelming is the seemingly never-ending stream of death and mayhem that it requires an exceptionally bloody day to merit significant media consideration. We have all grown accustomed to the fact that the Israeli state and its Palestinian opponents are locked in mortal combat. So it has been, so it is and so, it seems, it always will be.

Indeed, this pessimistic prognosis seems rooted in a century of precedent. The first Jewish settlers who came to Palestine with the intention of establishing a sovereign Jewish state there arrived towards the end of the nineteenth century. Palestinian nationalism – then generally subsumed under the title Arab nationalism but soon to assume its more particularistic title – began to flourish at about the same time.

The clash of these movements was played out through various wars, atrocities, revolutions and dispossessions throughout the twentieth century. Various strains of ideology in these rival nationalisms have attempted to bring the matter to closure, either by force of arms or, at times, by recourse to the negotiating table.

All these efforts, be they military or compromise oriented, have one fact in common. Their result is always the same. They have failed – failed utterly and totally. We may delude ourselves by yet dreaming, as many do, that there is one final war or one last peace plan which can calm all those concerned. Unfortunately there is no indication that such is the case.

We of Neturei Karta International find the toll of dead and wounded on both sides to be intolerable. We feel that it is high time for a radical departure from the assumptions that have governed and, effectively stifled free debate on the subject.

Our perspective is far from new. It is the centuries old view of the Torah. It was once universally shared by all Jews and it is only our people’s recent flirtation with assorted secularist dogmas that have caused it to be forgotten of late in some quarters.

Simply stated – The essence of Judaism is our faith -- our belief that G-d spoke to Moses and the assembled multitudes at Sinai and there gave His Revelation to the world. This was, is and always will be, Judaism.

The Jewish exile from the Holy Land , which followed the Roman destruction of the Second Temple close to two thousand years ago, was always viewed by our people as a Divine punishment. The state of exile in which we found ourselves was not seen as the result of military or political weakness. Rather, the Creator had decreed that until such time as He would chose to redeem the world, world Jewry was to remain in exile. The only possible means to alter what was and is a metaphysical state are spiritual. Repentance, prayer, Torah study, deeds of kindness and the like could hasten redemption. Nothing else would be effective. Any other means of ending exile is metaphysically doomed to failure.

Zionism was a movement dedicated to altering this traditional view of redemption. It posited that political maneuvering; revolutionary terror, war and dispossession would yield Jewish salvation.

Nothing could be further from the truths of Judaism.

However, Zionism not only broke with the teachings of our faith, it also entered upon a campaign, now over one hundred years old, to persuade and, eventually, force, when possible, Jews to abandon their allegiance to G-d and the Torah and recreate themselves as secular nationalists.

The Zionist movement was not only a heretical departure from Judaism and a practical attempt to lure Jews from their Torah. It was also monstrously blind to the indigenous inhabitants of the Holy Land . In the 1890s, less than 5% of the Holy Land ’s population was Jewish, yet, Theodore Herzl had the nerve to describe his movement as that of “a people without a land for a land without a people.”

Time and again both Revisionist and Labor Zionists, the former overtly and the latter under the clouds of deceptive rhetoric, have sought the elimination of the Palestinian people from their state. They have dispossessed thousands and refused them the right of return or minimum compensation. They have kept the people of Gaza and the West Bank stripped of basic political and human rights and denied them the dignity of self-determination.

This aggression has plunged the region into its never-ending spiral of bloodshed.

Sad to say, the bloody results of Zionism were not unexpected. They were foretold in the Talmud. There we read that a human based attempt to return en masse to the Holy Land would result in terrifying loss of life. This is an unpleasant truth but its seems quite validated by the past century’s events.

People of the Press, I have come before you today to offer a new perspective on the Middle East, a new explanation as to why all previous attempts at peace making have failed. It is our belief that they are inherently doomed to fail. All of them share one fatal assumption. They find it axiomatic that the state of Israel should exist. And, in contrast to the plain evidence of the past half-century of Jewish history they see its existence as a positive development for the Jewish people.

Only blind dogma could at this date see Israel as something good for the Jewish people. Established as a so-called safe haven it has consistently over the past five decades been the most dangerous place on the face of the earth for a Jew to live. It has been the source of tens of thousands of Jewish deaths, of families torn apart and has left a trail of grieving widows, orphans and friends in its wake.

Not to mention the countless thousands of Jewish souls diverted from religion. And our Rabbis state “If you cause one to sin, it is worse than killing him”.

And, let us not forget that this tale of physical Jewish suffering is far magnified among the Palestinian people, a nation condemned to poverty, persecution, homelessness, all pervasive hopelessness and all too often, a far too premature, death.

This web of pain, the cries and tears of the grieving, demand of us as Jews that we return to the wellsprings of our faith. We must accept our task to serve G-d in humility and peace. This is the essence of a Jew.

And, when so doing we will inevitably reject the bizarre and malicious doctrines of Zionism, the falsification of Judaism.

We will realize that defying the Divine decree of exile is doomed to bloody failure.

We will realize that our people’s hopes cannot be built by shattering those of another people.

We will demand and with G-d’s, help live to see the peaceful dismantling of the state. We will return the land to those who dwelt upon it for centuries, the Palestinian people. Under their sovereignty, we will work towards a just solution to any Jewish – Palestinian problems created by the brief period of Zionist ascendancy.

There are I’m sure some skeptics here in the audience who feel that a Palestinian state would represent a threat to the Jewish people. My friends, I have been there time and time again as Neturei Karta International has visited Palestinian and Islamic organizations and I have been greeted with extraordinary warmth and brotherly concern. We have visited Iran , been hosts of the government. We were allowed to speak in Iran to both Jewish and non-Jewish audiences, without any prior censorship. We have discovered time after time, that Muslims in general actually yearn for good relations with Jews and, that when the evil face of Zionism is stripped away, the naturally good relations between our peoples bubbles to the surface.

Actully history bears witness that through out the centuries Muslim countries were extremely hospitable to the Jews. In fact as a general rule the Jews faired far better in those countries than in other host lands.

And in Palestine alone our grandparent have testified to the fact that the Muslims and Jews lived in peace and harmony up until the advent of Zionism.

Many stories of the close friendship that existed at that time circulate in the Jewish communities, for instance, baby sitting each others children was a daily occurrence

We also operate a web site. There isn’t a day goes by when we don’t receive e- mails from around the Islamic world. They are all positive. They bless, express love and brotherhood. Often they credit us with having cured them of anti Jewish sentiments. From Yemen to Great Britain the delight these people experience in finding anti Zionist Jews is palpable.

This then is the image we offer as an alternative to the current horror – of a Jewish people free of the need to kill and be killed, free to pursue their Divine task of Torah practice and free to live in peace and respect with all men. May the Creator grant that we all be worthy of seeing that day. And ultimately the day when all will recognize the one G-D and serve Him in harmony. AMEN


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To: liberalism=failure
You are being a bit nonsensical. I don't think he is denying that hatred exists.
81 posted on 01/20/2002 11:32:29 AM PST by Demidog
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To: Lent
and in the latter part of the 19th century when the Jews were starting to make something of the land, they had to set up armed guards such as the "Hashomer" organization in their cultivated areas to protect from the roving Bedouins who were thiefs and had no respect for property rights.

That you think I would refer to this as Zionist terrorism is absurd. The Bedouins stole from everyone. Not just the Jews.

82 posted on 01/20/2002 11:34:40 AM PST by Demidog
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To: Ridin' Shotgun
And along with being the fringiest fringe, he's probably the loonatickiest loon

Ah. Of course, since you're a loon who hangs out at a website for "Athentic History", you know that this is true. Why is it that you skinhead toons never learn to spell, Spotrider? Is there some kind of unhealthy additive in your shaving cream, perhaps?

Although I see you folks have removed the "Synagogue of Satan" ad. Did it become simply too embarassing, even for you?

83 posted on 01/20/2002 11:35:47 AM PST by Cachelot
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To: Demidog
That you think I would refer to this as Zionist terrorism is absurd. The Bedouins stole from everyone. Not just the Jews.

Your statement was misguided and ahistorical. If you can't explain yourself without pulling out every canard and Arab Islamic piece of propaganda then so be it.

84 posted on 01/20/2002 11:37:43 AM PST by Lent
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To: Demidog
Tell ya what. YOU convert, go to Shul and Heder and learn all you ever wanted to know and just exactly what you have been TRYING to twist and you won't have to ask us any more leading, lying, or baited questions. M'kay?
Steelers just picked one out of the air for a turnover. Oh yeah. Life is very, very good.
85 posted on 01/20/2002 11:40:10 AM PST by Nix 2
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To: Demidog
Arafat is a terrorist. Are we provoking and escalating war by holding detainees? And Israel isn't "HOLDING" him. She is just preventing him from moving around the mideast making deals with his friends.
86 posted on 01/20/2002 11:40:33 AM PST by College Repub
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To: Lent
Your post, earlier, describes the perspective of the founding Israel. And you paint, Arabs as mostly killers. Why not describe the Ottoman Empire and the theft of Palestine? Why not describe how Britain destroyed Palestine?
87 posted on 01/20/2002 11:44:32 AM PST by Buckeroo
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To: Sabertooth
We will demand and with G-d's, help live to see the peaceful dismantling of the state. We will return the land to those who dwelt upon it for centuries, the Palestinian people. Under their sovereignty, we will work towards a just solution to any Jewish - Palestinian problems created by the brief period of Zionist ascendancy.

Huh?

88 posted on 01/20/2002 11:44:54 AM PST by Victoria Delsoul
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To: Victoria Delsoul
Rabbi Tokyo Rose


89 posted on 01/20/2002 11:46:51 AM PST by Sabertooth
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To: College Repub
"Arafat is a terrorist." -- College Repub

You are naughty and you show no understaing of a complex problem.

90 posted on 01/20/2002 11:47:49 AM PST by Buckeroo
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To: Sabertooth
Very much so.
91 posted on 01/20/2002 11:48:02 AM PST by Victoria Delsoul
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To: Victoria Delsoul
Huh?

My thought exactly.

92 posted on 01/20/2002 11:48:09 AM PST by Nix 2
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To: Demidog
I also assume that your refusal to show that their opinions are false are either because there is no support in the Talmud or Torah for this or you are simply wanting me and others to trust you on faith.

I don't see why you insist on Talmud or Torah support for or against your post. It should be clear to a thinking person that there were arguements for both the "religious conservative" Jews position which you cited and the Zionist position. But don't think that the Zionists went for their position with a bloodlust. They asked for the support of the UN and got it. The religion of the Jews has ample room for discussion and disagreement. This is what Talmudic scholarship is about. That so many could take a position that resulted in death, (and results in death today) is of interest. But more of interest to philosophers don't you think? I believe that the Jews have been seeking a just response to war from the day they declared their statehood. There were reasons for forming that state then, and they persist today. To seek a "lasting Middle East Peace" one must do more to address today than to look into the past and ask what might have been. This is what Islam is doing today, offering peace if a hundered years of western culture would be pulled from "their" lands. It is a worthy experiment that they propose, but only that. Real life is played outside the laboratory.

93 posted on 01/20/2002 11:48:23 AM PST by KC_for_Freedom
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To: Buckeroo
Your post, earlier, describes the perspective of the founding Israel. And you paint, Arabs as mostly killers. Why not describe the Ottoman Empire and the theft of Palestine? Why not describe how Britain destroyed Palestine?

I direct my comments to specific statements not to red-herrings.

94 posted on 01/20/2002 11:49:10 AM PST by Lent
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To: Demidog
what part of his speech do you say is incorrect from the perspective of the Torah?

The man is entitled to his beliefs and from a religious perspective he stands on his ground. Zionism is a political movement and many deeply religious people avoid politics because it is a diversion from religious duties.

I'm not sure how much you understand his point, as it is grounded in particular interpretations of Jewish thought. Obviously he believes, as many Zionist Jews also believe, that peace in Jerusalem will come when Jews return to God and His commandments. I fail to see how Zionism and a return to God are mutually exclusive. In practice it is true that much of Israel is secular in nature. However, there is nothing inherent in Zionism that demands it remain so.

I would question the rabbi along these lines: Should the Jews return to God and His commandments within the framework of Zionism, or in spite of Zionism, in what way would Zionism negate this spiritual renewal in the eyes of God? I don't think he has any grounds to say that it would.

The rabbi believes that the Messiah will come when the Jews redeem themselves by returning to His word. Zionism does not necessarily preclude that eventuality. He appears to believe that Zionism stands in the way of this return, but I don't see that as so. It may be a convenient diversion from God for some, but it's a faulty argument to condemn Zionism as a result. Zionism did not turn people away from God, but it may have fulfilled in some people what was missing. His efforts would be better suited towards bringing Jews back to God than at dismantling the state of Israel. He will not achieve his goal by discrediting Zionism! That is where he is off base. His effort should be aimed at hastening the Messianic era, which can be attained only (from his perspective) by doing his utmost to bring the Jews back to God.

Finally, and in a different line of thought, there are also many Orthodox Zionists who differ in interpretation. The largest such movement that I know of are the Lubuvitchers who believe that the return of Jews to Israel and to God are the signs that the messiah is immenently arriving! May God hasten his arrival and bring peace on earth.

95 posted on 01/20/2002 11:49:15 AM PST by monkeyshine
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To: Lent
You are evasive, too.
96 posted on 01/20/2002 11:51:33 AM PST by Buckeroo
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To: KC_for_Freedom
I don't see why you insist on Talmud or Torah support for or against your post.

Because it is the premise of the speech.

97 posted on 01/20/2002 11:51:37 AM PST by Demidog
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To: Buckeroo
I am naughty??? You're the sick twisted one...
98 posted on 01/20/2002 11:52:36 AM PST by College Repub
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To: monkeyshine
Zionism does not necessarily preclude that eventuality.

But I believe he is saying just that. That what must come first is a return to God and then the rest will come as promised.

99 posted on 01/20/2002 11:53:49 AM PST by Demidog
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To: Buckeroo
Buck, knowing how you post, as was seen a couple of nights ago (inviting Monkeyshine on your lap and dennisw to play with you), maybe it's better you take a cold shower and a couple of aspirin before going further.
100 posted on 01/20/2002 11:54:28 AM PST by Lent
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