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'The Death of the West': Pat Buchanan Raises a Demographic Alarum (Neocon hit piece in the NY Times)
The New York Times ^ | February 3, 2002 | CHRISTOPHER CALDWELL

Posted on 02/04/2002 9:52:14 PM PST by ouroboros

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To: ouroboros
You just can NOT go arond calling everyone, who disagree with Pat, a " neo-con " ! You use it as Jesse & Al use " racist ".

Do you even know the meaning of the word ? Do YOU even have the faintest idea, who this author is , and his background ?

21 posted on 02/05/2002 12:36:17 AM PST by nopardons
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To: DoughtyOne
I have no intention wasting my Xbox time with you on something which you obviously have neither the comprehension for nor the control over (I particularly enjoy the latter part). Suffice to say, there's no greater embarrassment for a Buchananite than being obsessed with race, and know not what race is.
22 posted on 02/05/2002 12:39:45 AM PST by Aquatic
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To: DoughtyOne
Good observations! Your commentary is well done.
23 posted on 02/05/2002 12:59:08 AM PST by Movemout
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Read The Book!

24 posted on 02/05/2002 1:08:43 AM PST by shuckmaster
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To: Aquatic
Aquatic wrote:

It baffles me as to why any fan of Pat needs to shell out one red penny to read what Pat has to say in his latest book. Just pay a free visit to the websites of such well-respected think-tanks as National Alliance and Ku Klux Klan, who for years have been sounding the alarm against “non-white” invasion and impending demise of “white” race, the very same theme that got Pat's juices flowing.

Anyone who supports Buchanan’s position on race and immigration must have the intellectual fortitude to declare that National Alliance and Skinheads are visionaries who have been viciously maligned by the liberal press.

Read the book, then make judgements.

Posters like this understand full well the tactics of a peaceful revolution, i.e., attack your opponents character so he must defend that instead of his argument...then repeat the accusation, i.e., "He's a racist, he's a bigot, he's a facist" until it becomes a "fact" in the minds of the public.

READ THIS BOOK!

(And damn the trolls...)

25 posted on 02/05/2002 1:16:56 AM PST by ElephantMan
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To: ouroboros
In 1992, Buchanan electrified the Republican National Convention with a declaration that Americans were locked in a ''religious war'' and a ''cultural war'' for the nation's soul.

The speech that Republicans are just NOW recovering from. But hey...Thanks for ridding us of those 3500 Palm Beach Gore votes and effectively destroying The Reform Party, Paddy! Now, get lost.

27 posted on 02/05/2002 1:48:53 AM PST by Johnny Shear
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To: Aquatic
I was wondering, what's Pat Buchanan's solution to this "problem"? Reducing the birth rate of non-whites?

It's a natural process, some have bigger birth rates then others, and I really think that Pat Buchanan should realise it. Unless he thinks that it shouldn't be so and it has to be "fixed". I can only wonder what that would mean. Oh, and I am a "white European", according to Pat one of the endangered. Funny, i don't feel that way.

29 posted on 02/05/2002 2:15:19 AM PST by bluester
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To: Either/Or
We have a winner it is now known as the "Weakly Standard." The neocon movement is all head and no body, puppets of the Left and a few offshore lobbies.
30 posted on 02/05/2002 3:11:23 AM PST by junta
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To: DoughtyOne
I don't like the term "white" it has become the copyrighted term for genocidal maniacal multi-culturalists with a real axe to grind, against our heads. We need a better term is what I'm saying.
31 posted on 02/05/2002 3:14:16 AM PST by junta
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To: nopardons
"You just can NOT go arond calling everyone, who disagree with Pat, a " neo-con " !"

NP, Why not?? The 90s conservatives {globalists and their ilk} call Buchanan much worse with a whole lot less justification. They line up with the progressive democrats {globalists and their ilk} to do so. Peace and love, George.

32 posted on 02/05/2002 4:36:53 AM PST by George Frm Br00klyn Park
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To: ouroboros
time to break out a copy of St. Augustine's "Confessons." St. Augustine was a "Romanized" citizen of Carthage just before the fall of the empire... stagnant, morally bankrupt, corrupt, full of every vice. A sickness that began from within. Sound familiar? See what a true thinker has to say about such a situation. And by the way, while on his deathbed he could hear the "savage" musloms clamoring outside the soon to fall city walls.
33 posted on 02/05/2002 4:55:46 AM PST by chickcoopcolonel
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To: Aquatic, DoughtyOne
Suffice to say, there's no greater embarrassment for a Buchananite than being obsessed with race, and know not what race is.

I would like to know if you've read the book. Because this focus on race qua race seems to miss the point. I haven't finished the book, but clearly the book addresses that peculiar juncture where race and culture collide, or rather, synthesize. Surely you can't be ignorant of historical trends regarding race and culture, and particularly western culture. Frankly, I find that the discussion of race is only incidental and the primary focus of the book is on the death of the western culture, unfortunately for those of us who would discuss it, possessed almost entirely by those light skinned whities of European descent. So unfortunately the discussion focuses on the incidentals, i.e., race, rather than the truly alarming spectacle of the death of western culture. If you do not find this alarming, I would recommend you spend a little time doing a cursory reading of the history of the Roman Empire. The funny thing is, that what the Romans called Barbarians, are what we call whites and include among those races who form the west (the Germanic tribes). Yet, at that time, their culture was foreign, and frankly destructive. So while you may focus on race, clearly the danger lies in the loss of culture.

Furthermore, Buchanan notes the precariousness of the Israeli situation, noting the skyrocketing birthrate of the Palestinians. So, in your analysis, which race is Buchanan obsessing over in this instance? Surely you must know that they are at least as closely related as the Germans and the French. Buchanan is not obsessed with race--I suggest you look in the mirror.

34 posted on 02/05/2002 5:03:57 AM PST by medusa
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To: ouroboros
He has decided he prefers the fight to the country.

Caldwell just now noticed that?

35 posted on 02/05/2002 5:06:12 AM PST by steve-b
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To: DoughtyOne
I think my race has as much right to exist as they do.

If your definition of that term is anything other than Homo sapiens, you've just violated JimRob's rules. Buh-bye....

36 posted on 02/05/2002 5:09:56 AM PST by steve-b
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To: DoughtyOne
we were talking about a decline in percentage

I think there was a whole chapter on this one in How to Lie with Statistics....

37 posted on 02/05/2002 5:12:01 AM PST by steve-b
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To: chickcoopcolonel
St. Augustine was a "Romanized" citizen of Carthage just before the fall of the empire... stagnant, morally bankrupt, corrupt, full of every vice.

Er, you might want to rewrite this sentence to clarify the referent to which those descriptions apply.

38 posted on 02/05/2002 5:14:28 AM PST by steve-b
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To: steve-b
Much of this provocation is surely ladled out just to rile the bien-pensants.

This is the reason Buchanan writes his books.

Stir up the faithful (just look at how many Buchanan threads we've seen in the last month), then others want to see what the pitchforkers are squealing about.

Buchanan loves a fight. Every book he's ever written has provoked one.

He may believe what he writes, but he knows how to use hyperbole and touch all the right symbols (the Confederacy, "whiteness," "Western culture").

IOW, he's a book publisher's dream.

39 posted on 02/05/2002 5:22:27 AM PST by sinkspur
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To: ouroboros
Odd that Caldwell really doesn't challenge any of Buchanan's rather self-evident assertions. It's as though he (Caldwell) thinks that ...Abortion, pornography, euthanasia, gun control and political correctness are the crimes; feminists, liberal judges and Marxisant scholars... are OK. Imagine.
40 posted on 02/05/2002 5:23:16 AM PST by Old Fud
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