Skip to comments.Is Free Republic becoming increasingly hostile towards Social Conservatives?
Posted on 02/07/2002 8:02:41 AM PST by watsonfellow
In the past few months I have noticed that the posters on Free Republic have become more and more hostile towards social conservatism.
And I do not mean indifference (less pro life threads etc) but an outright hostility at pro life and other social conservative causes.
Am I alone in thinking this?
In particular, notice the responses to the thread concerning the recent request by social conservative groups to the FCC to reign in Fox's racey primetime programs.
I wonder if this is becoming only a haven for hedonists and libertarians, and if so, perhaps it would be better for social conservatives to find their own site.
Dan,I wanted to address what you said about the Tyranny of the Majority. Certainly you have a point, but here's my thought...in all reality, we don't really have a "Constitutional" or whatever type of Government (and in that context I use the word as a kind of ideology). The truth is we get what we as a nation choose. that's the reality. Even if the WoD is unConstitutional (again, in the ideological sense), it will exist as long as we elect enough Representatives and Senators who support it. Everone knew W. supported it, and we elected him. You might not have -voted- for him, but enough did so that he is President. It's useless, IMO, to rail against something that a majority of elected oficials (who are supposed to be speaking -for- us, which is why we don't have a pure democracy) want. Laws exist to proect the minority, but if the Judges don't agree with them, they won't be enforced...like an elected Judge might be verrrry hesitant to support the Consitutional rights of a drug dealer, even if technically he or she should. That's the reality. We deal with it, and maybe try to change it, as best we can. but that's reality. Did I make sense? :)
"Now for a few facts." LOL!
Have you no sense of irony whatsoever???
If Stalin had waved the Soviet Constitution in your face, would YOU have taken it at face value as a guarantee of rights?
And if not, why not??
I can assure you that Soviet prosecutors never lacked for 'legal' foundations to their malign operations.
NEVER post some lawyerly casuistry and expect to have it regarded as evidence for anything except the unquenchable thirst and insatiable appetite of these licensed cannibals.
How was this survey conducted? Did they call up households and ask, "Excuse me, I'm from the Government and I was wondering if you were using drugs this month?". I would be very curious on how they could generate 14 million responses. Did they include prescription drugs in the survey?
The only thing that tougher laws have done is to erode Constitutional protections of US citizens. Nowadays, all a sheriff has to do is claim that you are a part of a drug ring and they can confiscate your property and possessions without due process of law. Its very sickening to have a Government that wants to go to War against its own citizens.
Reducing drug use is a good idea but the current War on Drugs does nothing to match that goal and punishes innocent citizens in the process. If recent reactions to the current Government anti-drug ad blitz by teens is any indication, the War on Drugs is backfiring, "Big Time" as Dick Cheney would say.
Is that a fact? Sparky old chap, the only thing that does not make you dangerous is your total lack of influence. JMO of course. Have a nice day.
My problem is government power.
1. What business outside of the borders, is the FEDS doing in this. If someone grows a pot farm in SW Michigan, why are the FEDS, who should not have juristiction, getting involved. When I think of the feds, I see too many WACO and RUBY RIDGE cases. BTW - Drugs were falsely attributed in Waco as well.
2. Forfeiture laws. In the name of the War on Drugs, people are losing their homes, cars and money...WITHOUT A CONVICTION. In many cases, affirmative defense is required to get it back. Affirmative defense is guilty till proven innocent, much like Ohio's CCW law now in the courts.
3. 2nd amendment rights. Many gun grabs were in the name of the WOD. "Drug dealers use that gun"
4. Secret Searches, no knock searches, etc. The ideas of the unPatriot Act came from that.
5. Mena Arkansas. The biggest drug dealers in the country IS THE COUNTRY. Specifically Bill Klinton and his friends like Dan Lasater and Dan Harmon.
6. Prohibition laws. It didn't work in the 20's, and it doesn't work now.
Now if a state wants drugs illegal, I don't have a problem with it at the STATE level. Leave the FEDS out of this though outside the borders, and let's quit attacking our FREEDOMS in the name of the war on drugs. Anyone that backs the affirmative defense stuff should be tarred and feathered. It's become a racket and big money for the govt, and that's my big problem.
There was very little adultery when laws were enforced and the punishment was severe enough.
And we can greatly reduce the number of druggies in prison by executing drug dealers.
About as bloody much as legalizing drugs has to do with the original topic of this thread...
I'm not the person stating that if a church believes evolution is compatible with belief in God it is left wing....and since said scientific fact (evolution) was used by Hitler, Stalin etc...it is non truth.
He wont answer because his true and honest answer will doom him to falsehood. I wont have to say anything, let alone rant. His refusal to answer is the answer. He knows that if he answers honestly, he is checkmated.
Who gets to define the "conservative movement"? Isn't it simply a mass of people who support the same views in a general sense, while vehemently disagreeing on certain issues? If a libertarian condemns the WOD on the basis that the fedgov has no place conducting it, isn't that person arguing on the same side as a person who opposes wealth redistribution?
Do you think the liberals all march in lockstep? Every group consists of subsets of groups whose beliefs are varied, but mostly similar. You would do better to cooperate on those issues where you agree (gun control, income tax, etc) than to try and evict these potential allies from "your" movement.
Ritalin, prozac, etc. .... yep, there are many more on legal drugs than illegal. The upcoming nightmare we're going to wake up to one day, resulting from the heavy use of PERSCRIBED mind altering drugs is ignored by the drug czar and his minions. One can only conclude that there IS an answer to the question: WHY IS THIS SO?
Well, I have to take off...so if Sparky responds to my question: "Which Church is it that holdS the ultimate truth in relation to the relationship between belief in God and evolution?"...please feel free to pick up my queen and smack his King to the side of the board. Otherwise, if he doesnt respond...
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