Skip to comments.We are a nation in deep trouble.
Posted on 02/07/2002 4:25:05 PM PST by Private Pyle
When the attorney general of the United States purports to make laws instead of enforcing them, we are indeed in very deep trouble. Such is the case with the so called Anti-Terrorism Act which Attorney General Ashcroft presented to the legislature for rubber stamping. What is the difference between what is happening with our constitutional system and what Lenin and Stalin did in the darkest days of Bolshevik rule? Is not the Congress merely a rubber stamp for what the executive and its officers want done? If there is a difference between the former USSR, and the U.S. today, I would like to have it pointed out.
Every member of the legislature should be obliged to read and study Washington's Farewell Address which ought to have been made a part of the Constitution, and then be obliged to take a test on what they have absorbed, before being allowed to continue in their posts. Particulary, we would invite President Bush, and Attorney General Ashcroft, to observe the following extract from Washington's memorable speech:
"It is important likewise, that the habits of thinking in a free country should inspire caution in those intrusted with its administration, to confine themselves within their respective constitutional spheres, avoiding in the exercise of the powers of one department, to encroach upon another. The spirit of encroachment tends to consolidate the powers of all departments in one, and thus to create, whatever the form of government, a real despotism. A just estimate of that love of power and proneness to abuse it which predominate in the human heart, is sufficient to satisfy us of the truth of this position.
Most ominous is the deathly silence of the Republican Party. The Republican Party may be written off as an enemy of the Constitution. Let us put an end to the charade, and call a spade a spade. I warn the American people that under the excuse of tragedy of September 11th, our rights and our liberties are all but obliterated. The New World Order is at hand. Orwell's 1984 is a living reality in Washington D.C, while the so called Republican Party busies itself with legislation of little importance and allows the Constitution to be bludgeoned to death. There is not even any pretence anymore.
Pyle, you knucklehead!
I would refute you, but I'm just too busy fighting off the secret police at the moment, trying to recover my private property that has been confiscated, trying to recover my voting rights that have been obliterated, trying to get permission to drive my car to the grocery store, trying to get the goods I need on the black market...
Bush is in the White House by the slimmest of slim margins. Ample reason not to explode the powers of government during his term. The War on Terrorism could be easily won by enforcing the will of the citizenry and guarding our borders and allowing the unrestricted right to keep and bear arms.
For starters, in the old USSR this thread wouldn't last a minute. Of course it might not last two minutes on FR.
Too many people are using the spades to dig us a deep deep hole. The rest apparently don't know what a spade really is: a bloody shovel.
I agree with the sentiment of your post. I like the quote. It's helpful to review our wise Founding Father's words of caution.
What's that you say? Someday the wars gonna be over? Someday there won't be a threat from terrorism anymore? Well, big fr!&&#n deal! We're all gonna die right now if we don't let them boys in Warshington do what rightly needs ta be done, and done NOW!
Hell, we'll worry about what kinda laws they've passed when the smoke clears. Hell, you think their out to get us or somethin'? Them's our boys up there, or have you fergot that? Right now, don't you question a dern thing their doin' son!!
You wanna be free, or you wanna be safe son?
"our liberties are all but obliterated"
Just a tad overreacting?
P.S. Can someone tell me how much a "tad" is?
Practically to the letter what has been done by the administration.
Where they and I differ is in doing these things within the context of what the Constitution allows. It is, after all, the supreme law of this land. That which is the basis for all other laws. For everyone, in time of war or peace!
The supreme law of this land. Think about that. Not "the supreme law of this land, except for....," or "the supreme law of this land, except when..."
That from which all other laws must arise. If not, then it is just an old yellowed piece of paper.
Do you provide charts with this such as another fellow who dealt in such generalties regarding serious problems did?
It's slightly more than a "touch", but less than a "bit"...
"What is your major malfunction, Private Pyle?"
The only time a government can impose complete tyranny is when they have the consent of the sheepel. Healthy skepticism acts as another form of checks and balances in a representative government and should be encouraged. The public will never be duped by exercising skepticism of governments policies, only through blind trust can tyranny truly flourish.
We gots waaaaaaay better toilet paper.
1. The 9/11 attacks occur. It becomes known that there is a terroristic threat to this nation. This is the situation, or problem to which the assessment must be applied.
2. Once identified, formulate appropriate remedies for all problems, ie, come up with fixes for the problems.
3. Apply the fixes!
Still with me? Not convoluted enough for you? No matter the "situation" or "problem," are you telling me that this is not the path from first identification of problem, to eventual resolution of the problem?
My post dealt with the issue of the Constitution being eschewed in this process. What are your thoughts on that point?
LOL! Just like bridge tolls and income taxes, the 'sunset' will somehow just never happen. In fact, in this case, that's easy to demonstrate. This bill is in reaction to an action (terrorism). An act, or the potential for that act (like murder, even in top-security prisons), can NEVER be eradicated, therefore the 'need' for this 'protection' will never disappear. Once we decide to stop squishing some Middle Eastern nations (plus the Phillipines?) that refuse to help us, then the terrorists will magically become domestic, rather than foreign. (I wish I could find that FBI pamphlet that specifically mentions those who quote Constitution as probable terrorists)
A shame, too. I like sunsets.
That's true, but none of the members of the House or Senate were allowed to read the bill before signing it.
In the area of personal liberty, we face some real dangers. Throughout our history, starting with the Civil War, our liberties have been curtailed and the Constitution has been flaunted. Although our government continued to grow with each crisis, many of the liberties curtailed during wartime were restored. War was precise and declared, and when the war was over, there was a desire to return to normalcy. With the current war on terrorism, there is no end in sight and there is no precise enemy, and we've been forewarned that this fight will go on for a long time. This means that a return to normalcy after the sacrifices we are making with our freedoms is not likely. The implementation of a national ID card, pervasive surveillance, easy-to-get search warrants, and loss of financial and medical privacy will be permanent. If this trend continues, the Constitution will become a much weaker document.
It drives me nuts when liberals use the Constitution to support an arguement...over the years they have redefined enough words that the Constitution no longer mean "provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare", but "provide for the general welfare, promote the common defense". And then the South goes and loses the war which effectively repealed the 10th Amendment...
It's amazing, isn't it...if this so-called "Patriot Act" was proposed by Democrats, and AG Reno, the Republicrats would be more discerning. But since it was enacted by a Republican administration, it gets a free pass. Go figure.
A bit more than a smidgen and within a hair of a mite.
Except when it's a toad.
Well that and with the passage of the illegal 14th Amendment(and it is illegal in word and in the way it was passed) but we're all happier now right? Right?
Shop and spend, shop and spend, how the men who fought for the 13 states original independence would be so proud of what we've become < /sarcasm>
So you think he'll be President forever? And there will never be another 'Clinton'?
And was conceived and written by the Clinton administration and not one congresscritter read it before signing on to it.