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Dr Pepper Responds to Consumers Regarding its Patriot Can [missing "Under God?"]
Dr Pepper/Seven Up, Inc - corporate website ^ | Dr Pepper/Seven Up, Inc

Posted on 02/09/2002 2:30:04 PM PST by RonDog

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So what do YOU think?
Should we:
1 - FReep Dr Pepper/Seven Up, Inc. for being "God-less" scum,
2 - Give them a pass for being "insensitive" money-grubbers, or
3 - Add this e-mail campaign to our collection of "Urban Legends?"
See also:
The UN - Godly Pledge of Allegiance ...
Posted on 2/8/02 1:46 AM Pacific by davidosborne
From: B. Lee Pemberton
To: Dr Pepper/7-UP Pres. Doug Tough
Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2002 11:59 AM
Subject: Dr Pepper/7-UP's offensive commercials, and corruption of the Pledge of Allegiance

Dr Pepper/7-Up Inc.
5301 Legacy Drive
Plano, Tx 75024-3109
1.800-696-5891
e-mail: Consumer_relations@dpsu.com
Mr Doug Tough President

Mr Tough;
I recently observed a 7-UP commercial that I found to be both vulgar, obscene and offensive to Christians and other people of any moral persuasion: an actor is walking down a street, removing his clothes until finally he is wearing nothing but his undershorts. He removes the shorts and a crowd around him is depicted staring at him.

I have a question: is business so bad at Dr Pepper/7-UP that you must resort to filth peddling in order to make a buck? What on Earth is the connection between a fine product like 7-UP, and a pervert who takes off his clothes on a public street, and why would such a lascivious display make anyone want to run out and buy your products? Are you now touting 7-UP as the refreshment of choice for flashers and other sexual deviants who expose themselves to an unwilling audience?

And why was the phrase "under God" left out of the Pledge of Allegiance, on the new Dr Pepper can? What anti-God, anti-American heathen among your employees decided that Dr Pepper/7-UP had the right to re-write this patriotic anthem to exclude reference to the God Who caused America to become the greatest nation ever to grace the face of the Earth?

Do you honestly believe there are enough "politically-correct" Socialists and Marxists in America to keep your Company floating -after all the Christians, and other people with some measure of moral standards, stop purchasing your God-less, deviant products? You had better hope so!

Personally, I can assure you that none of your products will pollute my home or office for at least six months after you remove your prurient advertising and un-God-ly Pledge of Allegiance cans from the public view, and I will ask everyone I can contact to do likewise.

Most sincerely,
B. Lee Pemberton
Pastor

Church of the Lion of Judah
Post Office Box 1484
Sarasota, Fl 34230-1484
"Surfing for souls on the Internet!"

Dr. Pepper omits "under God" from Pledge to Flag
Posted on 2/1/02 9:16 AM Pacific by smokinleroy
I heard on the Darrel Ankarlo show on KLIF radio (Dallas/Fort Worth) this morning that some students in Iowa are launching a letter-writing campaign to protest the actions of Dallas based Dr. Pepper. It seems on a recently issued can with a patriotic theme including a picture of the statue of liberty that they printed the Pledge of Allegience to the Flag in which they omitted the phrase "under God". When inquired as to the reason, the company representative said that there was not enough room. Anyone else hear this story?

1 posted on 02/09/2002 2:30:04 PM PST by RonDog
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To: davidosborne; smokinleroy
"Under God" ping!
What say you?

2 posted on 02/09/2002 2:31:49 PM PST by RonDog
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To: RonDog
i say they're spineless lice, and henceforth it's moxie or nothing for me!

dep

3 posted on 02/09/2002 2:35:55 PM PST by dep
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To: RonDog
My G-d! I never drank that p*sswater anyway, but now I'll discourage anyone else from ever drinking it. Including all my kids.

They can't cite separation of church and soda, can they?

4 posted on 02/09/2002 2:36:12 PM PST by Pharmboy
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To: Pharmboy
They made their choice regarding the can.

Fine.

I'll exercise my family's freedom of choice by staying away from Dr. Pepper.

5 posted on 02/09/2002 2:37:50 PM PST by Tigercap
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To: RonDog
is a resoundingly patriotic, bipartisan message that we are a united nation.

So are you saying that if "under God" is mentioned it becomes a un-patriotic, partisan message? As in that the opposing party doesn't believe in God? We knew that already.


6 posted on 02/09/2002 2:38:31 PM PST by steveo
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To: RonDog
And they also left out ;"...with liberty and justice for all." All they are trying to say is that we are a united country.

Some people aren't happy till they can find something to be offended about.

7 posted on 02/09/2002 2:38:33 PM PST by KJMorgan
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To: RonDog
Much ado about very little, in my opinion.

Looks like Dr. Pepper got dinged by the overly sensitive right.

8 posted on 02/09/2002 2:38:41 PM PST by sonofagun
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To: dep
Interesting that in their response they never mention that G-d plays a part--anywhere in anything(even though He was left on the cutting room floor).
9 posted on 02/09/2002 2:40:23 PM PST by Pharmboy
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To: RonDog
I vote for #3. After seeing the can I have no problem with it. Your efforts are silly and wasted energy.
10 posted on 02/09/2002 2:40:35 PM PST by VA Advogado
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To: RonDog
Hey RonDog! Looking at the can, and reading their explanation, I can see what they were shooting for. They probably wish they'd just said "United We Stand." Seems like that's what they meant, but they chose to express the idea with words from the Pledge. Had they put the whole quote, it would have taken up more space, and while it might have been considered a good message, maybe it wasn't what they wanted to emphasize. Personally, I'd give 'em a mulligan and not sweat it. But that's just me.
11 posted on 02/09/2002 2:41:09 PM PST by Huck
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To: KJMorgan
Some people aren't happy till they can find something to be offended about.

Some people (see Rondog) have way way way too much time on their hands.

12 posted on 02/09/2002 2:41:58 PM PST by VA Advogado
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To: RonDog
I never had a Dr. Pepper in my life, and I'm not about to start now. But their response seems reasonable enough. They didn't put the whole pledge on the can and omit one phrase, "under God." They just used three words, "One Nation . . . Indivisible." That seems reasonable enough to me. I think the complaints were misleading. The Dr. Pepper folks may be villains, for all I know, but not for doing this.
13 posted on 02/09/2002 2:44:15 PM PST by Cicero
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To: RonDog
I think getting upset because Dr. Pepper had the words, "One Nation . . . Indivisible," and jumping to the conclusion that therefore they were deliberately omitting the words, "Under God"--I think that is stupid and silly. It's not like they printed the whole thing and left out only the words, "Under God." That would be a different matter entirely. Then I could see a reason for being upset. But as it is, I could only commend Dr. Pepper for a very patriotic display.
14 posted on 02/09/2002 2:47:00 PM PST by Charles Henrickson
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To: Cicero
The original post from a few days ago, as I recall,
said the entire pledge was written on the can, but left out "One Nation under God".
I'm glad Dr. Pepper cleared this one up.
Complaints about this are absurd.
15 posted on 02/09/2002 2:51:14 PM PST by katnip
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To: Pharmboy
"Separation of church and soda". LOL!

By the way, in trying to explain away their gaffe, looks like Dr. Pepper has dug itself an even deeper hole. Their explanation states that there was room for only a limited amount of the "verbiage" from the Pledge of Allegiance.

The main definition of "verbiage" is:

"An excess of words for the purpose; wordiness."

Looks like Dr. Pepper has some more "splaining" to do!

16 posted on 02/09/2002 2:52:18 PM PST by governsleastgovernsbest
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To: RonDog
Dr. Pepper probably has a lock on the atheist soft drink market. They wouldn't want to offend their customer base.
17 posted on 02/09/2002 2:52:53 PM PST by SMEDLEYBUTLER
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To: RonDog
After I saw this can, I don't have a problem with what Dr. Pepper did. I don't consider them anti-religion or anti-God. Now, if they had published all of the pledge except the words "under God", there would be an argument. But just to say we as a nation are "indivisible", I'm fine with that.
18 posted on 02/09/2002 2:54:09 PM PST by Recovering_Democrat
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To: RonDog
We at Dr Pepper/Seven Up strongly believe that the message on these cans is a resoundingly patriotic, bipartisan message that we are a united nation.

NO God = NO Dr. Pepper. We were Dr. Pepper drinkers too. My family is united under God, so it's Hastala Vista Dr. Pepper!

19 posted on 02/09/2002 2:56:30 PM PST by sugar_puddin
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To: Pharmboy
R.U. Sirius?
21 posted on 02/09/2002 3:01:13 PM PST by bleudevil
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To: VA Advogado
I vote for #3. After seeing the can I have no problem with it. Your efforts are silly and wasted energy.
Actually, I will register YOUR vote as "foolishly jumping to conclusions without sufficient information."

If you will read more carefully, you will see that I posted:

- the press release from Dr Pepper/Seven Up, Inc. and
- two articles posted by OTHER FReepers.
The extent of MY editorial input was:

So what do YOU think?

Should we:
1 - FReep Dr Pepper/Seven Up, Inc. for being "God-less" scum,
2 - Give them a pass for being "insensitive" money-grubbers, or
3 - Add this e-mail campaign to our collection of "Urban Legends?"
FWIW, I also vote for #3, but that you for validating the point of my post:
"Look before you FReep." ;)

22 posted on 02/09/2002 3:01:26 PM PST by RonDog
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To: RonDog
They left off 31 words, they chose 3 that are representative of our country. This is a non-issue, and yes, I am a Christian.
23 posted on 02/09/2002 3:03:36 PM PST by Endeavor
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To: RonDog
It's OK, I don't have enough room in my life for any DP/7up. They don't need people like me any way? Right?????????????
24 posted on 02/09/2002 3:04:32 PM PST by The Real Deal
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
verbiage . . . 2: manner of expressing oneself in words: DICTION, WORDING < messages and orders must use concise military verbiage -- G.S. Patton >

-- Webster's Third.


27 posted on 02/09/2002 3:10:32 PM PST by dighton
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To: katnip
The original post from a few days ago, as I recall,
said the entire pledge was written on the can, but left out "One Nation under God".
I'm glad Dr. Pepper cleared this one up.
Complaints about this are absurd.
With a little help from ME, posting their explanation here. ;)

I found it while INVESTIGATING the claims alleged on the two previous "Dr Pepper/Under God" posts - as any OTHER sufficiently motivated researcher could have done. I prefer to have as much information as possible before expending energy. I only have so much "FReep time," and attempt to maximize that effort where it will have the greatest impact.

I am OBVIOUSLY not always successful in that effort. ;)

28 posted on 02/09/2002 3:11:12 PM PST by RonDog
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To: Endeavor
They left off 31 words, they chose 3 that are representative of our country. This is a non-issue, and yes, I am a Christian.

As a very consevative Christian, I agree that this is a non-issue. This much-ado-about-nothing only supports the notion that right-wing-wackos really do exist. As Freud said, "sometimes a cigar is just a cigar"; but that was before Bill and Monica.

29 posted on 02/09/2002 3:11:24 PM PST by connectthedots
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To: RonDog
Look before you FReep.

Amen.

30 posted on 02/09/2002 3:11:59 PM PST by dighton
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To: RonDog
"Church of the Loin of Judah" ? What is the "Loin of Judah"?
31 posted on 02/09/2002 3:14:29 PM PST by ARA
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I'm about as conservative christian as they come, but I don't have a problem with this.

Their intent was to state that our country is United. To do that, they took the relevant words from the Pledge. Had they taken the whole pledge and edited out those 2 words, then I'd have a problem. This is no problem.

32 posted on 02/09/2002 3:14:35 PM PST by Down South
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To: dighton
Please refer again to my post and you'll note that I mention that the stated definition, describing "verbiage" as an excess of words, is the "main" one. The definition you provide is stated as being "#2". What is the first definition in that dictionary?
33 posted on 02/09/2002 3:14:41 PM PST by governsleastgovernsbest
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To: RonDog
Dr. Pepper is sooooo disgusting I would not drink it anyway.
34 posted on 02/09/2002 3:15:20 PM PST by roylene
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To: ARA
Oops... Never mind... My Dyslexia at work again. It's Lion of Judah... not "Loin" I Got it. Never mind....
35 posted on 02/09/2002 3:15:44 PM PST by ARA
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To: RonDog
Shame on the people here and elsewhere who cried wolf. Dr. Pepper did not recite the entire allegaince and blatantly leave out God. They just put a couple words on the can to show support of America. One should make sure they have the facts straight before posting inciteful statements - it severly hurts the cause they claim to represent.
36 posted on 02/09/2002 3:18:19 PM PST by over3Owithabrain
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To: VA Advogado
I agree with your interpretation. They only used three words from the Pledge. I was subject to many hysterical emails on this, and it sounded like they used the whole pledge only omitting "God".

After having seen it, I think the hysterical ones owe us all an apology. The intent of Dr.P. is obvious. Given the Left's antipathy to the Pledge, it was courageous of them to use it at all! I'm surprised the ACLU hasn't sued them!

37 posted on 02/09/2002 3:19:04 PM PST by The Right Stuff
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To: RonDog
I should have also thanked you for clearing this up.
Mea Culpa...
38 posted on 02/09/2002 3:19:05 PM PST by katnip
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To: analog
Since when is it up to soda companies to start preaching religion?

Yep! When I drink soda, I alternate detween Dr. Pepper and Pepsi. Why? Because they taste good (IMHO). Now if each can came with an ad saying that proceeds of this sale will go to the Democratic Leadership Council or Earth First, I'd have to reconsider.

Much ado about nothing indeed.

40 posted on 02/09/2002 3:22:52 PM PST by Drew68
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To: Tigercap
Great way to reward a company that tries to be patriotic, everybody!

They printed only 3 words on the can - not the whole pledge. Maybe I should protest the fact they left out the rest of the words.

Anybody who is getting in a huff about this needs to get a life. Now I think I'll go have some 7-up.

41 posted on 02/09/2002 3:25:43 PM PST by good_ash
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
(#s 16, 27, 33)

In Webster's III, the first definition of verbiage is approximately what you gave. I supplied the second definition to counter suggestions -- OK, your suggestion -- that the word was used pejoratively. You requested and received 'splaining.

If you have a quarrel with definition #2, take it up with General Patton (quoted therein).

42 posted on 02/09/2002 3:26:33 PM PST by dighton
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To: RonDog
They can do whatever they want to with their cans, but their response is clearly dishonest. Why should I drink anything made ina factory run by liars? Does not sound like a good idea.
43 posted on 02/09/2002 3:27:57 PM PST by eno_
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To: RonDog
One good outcome of this Brouhaha might be that Madison Ave not be so flippant with their prose as per the anti gun Jeep ad.
44 posted on 02/09/2002 3:28:56 PM PST by tubebender
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To: Charles Henrickson
the two words.."under God" takes les space than indivisible does...so their argument is moot.....point, set, match!!!
45 posted on 02/09/2002 3:31:35 PM PST by cajun-jack
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To: connectthedots
ditto
46 posted on 02/09/2002 3:31:42 PM PST by Endeavor
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To: Recovering_Democrat
After I saw this can, I don't have a problem with what Dr. Pepper did. I don't consider them anti-religion or anti-God. Now, if they had published all of the pledge except the words "under God", there would be an argument. But just to say we as a nation are "indivisible", I'm fine with that.
Precisely. I know a LITTLE bit about marketing, and would venture to say that THIS beverage can:

Dr Pepper I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
would not stand out on a crowded supermaket shelf as well - and PERHAPS, as a result, not SELL as well - as THIS one:


from Stephen Wooding:
"Did you ever notice that lots of drinks have the title Dr.?
Many of these are ripoffs of Dr Pepper, and I collect them."

But that is just one dog's opinion. ;)

47 posted on 02/09/2002 3:34:39 PM PST by RonDog
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To: RonDog
Dr. Pepper is flat-out lying. Just by looking at the can design, they could fix the problem by making the statue of liberty a bit smaller so the torch could go far enough down to move the words all the way to the left of the design. God would fit in there. Also, they could simply make the font smaller. There are options if one really wanted to have God on that can.
48 posted on 02/09/2002 3:37:21 PM PST by rwfromkansas
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To: RonDog
I recently observed a 7-UP commercial ... an actor is walking down a street, removing his clothes until finally he is wearing nothing but his undershorts. He removes the shorts and a crowd around him is depicted staring at him.

Most sincerely,
B. Lee Pemberton
Pastor

Why in the world would you be watching something like that, and watching it to the bitter end, Pastor? Why were you even watching TV. Did God have nothing better for you to do?

Hank

49 posted on 02/09/2002 3:38:44 PM PST by Hank Kerchief
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To: KJMorgan
they could not have fit that in....it is VERY CLEAR that they could have fit under God in....and it would have even looked better by not having Lady Liberty jutting right againt the normal Pepsi design. Just making lady liberty a bit smaller so more words could fit would have done the job. Dr. Pepper is spreading a bunch of crap, frankly.
50 posted on 02/09/2002 3:40:07 PM PST by rwfromkansas
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