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Dr Pepper Responds to Consumers Regarding its Patriot Can [missing "Under God?"]
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Posted on 02/09/2002 2:30:04 PM PST by RonDog

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To: RonDog
I accept their explanation as truthful and honest. They wanted to emphasize unity without the bland "United We Stand" phrase. They did so by invoking language from the Pledge.

This isn't like the patriotic "commercial" that ran in movie theatres (particularly the Edwards chain in So. Cal) where it was accompanied entirely by "America The Beautiful" tellingly missing the line "God shed his grace on thee and crown thy good..."

People who react negatively to this need, finding malice where this is no case, to get a grip and concern themselves with *real* problems.

On example might be the memorial cross atop Mt. Soledad here in San Diego. It's an unmistakeable landmark. The ACLA and an atheist have convinced the full circuit court to review a three judge appeals panel's finding, agreeing with the trial judge, San Diego acted properly in the auction of the land surrounding the memorial. This was the second time the city had attempted to please the ACLU and atheist complaintants by selling the land. The first sale was overturned. The second, done at the direction of a vote by the people of San Diego, a bidding auction, was a court approved settlement. The ACLU and atheist argue the bidding was rigged in favour of the veteran's group which has long cared for the site. This case has been ongoing for about eleven years now. It just won't die.

What disturbs me about this case, isn't that the City shouldn't be displaying a cross on public land, but that the Church/State separatists care NOTHING for the memorial's history. With the way they're preceding you'd think the city had erected it, wouldn't you? Not so.

The memorial was erected by a private family which then owned the land to honour the deaths of their veteran sons, (IIRC, in WWII). They left the memorial in their will to the city for upkeep. This happened before the culture of Church/State separation legal "jihad".

101 posted on 02/09/2002 5:44:26 PM PST by newzjunkey
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To: america-rules
I think it is a bit too nit-picky to stop drinking it because they were lazy in designing a patriotic can, but the phrase in question...emphasizing our unity (every single word is meant to do so) is on nation, under God, indivisible." All three. It does not matter what the original Pledge said....we are using the one from today. BTW, I know that Bellamy was a socialist guy. I also know some interesting things about how they did the pledge....kind of like the heil hitler thing. But, none of this matters when we are looking at the pledge of today. I personally do not agree with the 'indivisible" part of the Pledge, as we are divided all the time. But, it is part of the Pledge and should be included in showing our unity, just as "under God" should.
102 posted on 02/09/2002 5:49:29 PM PST by rwfromkansas
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To: Black Cat
To me, it's a tempest in a soda can. They didn't cite the entire pledge, but rather just three words. And as Snopes noted in it's page on this subject...
LOL! "Tempest in a soda can!" - VERY good!!!

Thanks also for the information about snopes.com: "Urban Legens Reference Pages"

Here is a PARTIAL quote from their http://www.snopes2.com/inboxer/outrage/drpepper.htm:
Claim:   A new can design introduced by Dr Pepper includes the text of the Pledge of Allegiance with the words "under God" omitted.

Status:   Not quite.

...
-- snip --
...

Time magazine's 24 September 2001 cover displayed the same words (without the ellipses) but drew no significant complaints:

Time

Last updated:   9 February 2002

The URL for this page is http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/outrage/drpepper.htm

Urban Legends Reference Pages © 1995-2002
by Barbara and David P. Mikkelson
This material may not be reproduced without permission


References: Sources:
    Grunwald, Michael.   "Pledge Purist Seeks to Give Pause a Rest."
    The Boston Globe.   9 March 1998   (p. A3).

    Heard, Ken.   "Dr Pepper Under Fire; Girl Says It Left Out God."
    Arkansas Democrat-Gazette.   9 February 2002.

    Associated Press.   "Students Upset Dr Pepper Edits God Out of Pledge."
    1 February 2002.

    The Columbus Dispatch.   "Under God' Reference Added to Pledge in '54."
    1 June 2000   (p. A8).

    Milwaukee Journal Sentinel.   "The Pledge."
    17 October 2001   (p. A14).

103 posted on 02/09/2002 5:49:35 PM PST by RonDog
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To: RonDog
Arthur Godfrey? I don't remember that. Amazing. Must have been a big flop then??
104 posted on 02/09/2002 5:50:53 PM PST by MeekOneGOP
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To: RonDog
Absolutely No. 3. How ridiculous. I'm glad it turned out to be nothing because I love (diet) Dr. Pepper. Yum! And I suspect the people here who trash it's taste are really communists! ;- )
105 posted on 02/09/2002 5:52:15 PM PST by Amore
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To: RonDog
Here's what I wrote them:

You say "that the message on these cans is a resoundingly patriotic, bipartisan message that we are a united nation." I say you have left out the most imporant part of our pledge and nation: God.

I shall no longer purchase Dr. Pepper or 7 Up products for my home or children. That's my message.

They're so stupid, thinking we're so stupid.
106 posted on 02/09/2002 5:53:27 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: smith288
Again, God is part of the phrase expressing unity. We are one nation under what? We are one nation under GOD. Under God is part of the unity aspect and should be included in the phrase. It could have easily been put on the can. They have no excuse.

But, I am not going to spend any more time on this trivial issue of a pop can. I am not upset enough to even contact the company.

107 posted on 02/09/2002 5:54:12 PM PST by rwfromkansas
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To: newzjunkey; AnnaZ; Mercuria
...This isn't like the patriotic "commercial" that ran in movie theatres (particularly the Edwards chain in So. Cal) where it was accompanied entirely by "America The Beautiful" tellingly missing the line "God shed his grace on thee and crown thy good..."
THAT was a GREAT thread, too! (IMHO)

See also:
O, Beautiful for GOD-less skies: New release of "America the Beautiful" drops "God shed His Grace"
Posted on 12/18/01 12:26 PM Pacific by RonDog

108 posted on 02/09/2002 6:03:04 PM PST by RonDog
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To: RonDog
Actually, when I saw an earlier thread on this, I was inclined to defend Dr. Pepper on the same grounds that others here have... that it was just a few words, not as though the left it out of the entire Pledge, etc. I said the same about Tom Hanks when he got criticized for it.

But after reading Dr. Pepper response, ostensibly written to maintain good PR, I am a lot more bothered by this. They could not even bring themselves to use the words "under God" in the entire press release!? This is like issuing a press release about a particular public figure without ever giving his name. Bizarre, and indicative of something deeper.

Anyhow, as far as the 'not enough room' excuse goes, haven't these people ever heard of using different font sizes?

109 posted on 02/09/2002 6:03:57 PM PST by Sloth
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To: Physicist; all
Wow, you learn something new all the time here on FR. :)

I looked this up and the original text, from 11 Oct 1892 (it was written for a Columbus Day celebration, published in a Boston youth magazine), was different in other ways as well. It had "...my flag..." instead of "...the Flag of the United States..." (that came Flag Day 1923), a year later "of America" was tacked on. It wasn't even an OFFICIAL pledge until June 1942, the following year the SCOTUS ruled public school students could not be compelled to say it as part of their daily routine.

The "under God" phrase did not come until Eisenhower added it Flag Day, 1954.

Fascinating.

110 posted on 02/09/2002 6:04:02 PM PST by newzjunkey
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To: Pharmboy
I have to ask. When someone is speaking of God as God, not while profaning His name why is it never spelled out? Why is G-d used, and what does it mean?
111 posted on 02/09/2002 6:15:08 PM PST by footstomper
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To: RonDog
"bipartisan message "

God is a partisan?

112 posted on 02/09/2002 6:18:16 PM PST by PatrioticAmerican
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To: sonofagun
I'm intended to agree. This is just people getting oversensitive. Stop acting like a bunch of liberals. If you want to really get worked up, protest something that's really ridiculous, like Spielberg cutting all the guns out of the E.T. rerelease.
113 posted on 02/09/2002 6:19:19 PM PST by Anotherpundit
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To: Hank Kerchief; Mission2mars
"God will be seriously upset at not being used as an advertising shill in Dr.Pepper's new campaign. As for their hyperbolic claim that we are, one nation indivisible, this is obviously misleading advertising, as we can easily be divided by petty crap like this." - Mission2mars

Absolutely the best analysis and answer so far!

(I do not hand out praise lightly.)

Hank

Re: God as "an advertising shill," see also, from http://www.netscrap.com/netscrap_detail.cfm?scrap_id=365:
Pope and the Colonel
----- Begin NetScrap(TM) -----

Pope and the Colonel

After watching sales falling off for three straight months at
Kentucky Fried Chicken, the Colonel calls up the Pope
and asks for a favor.

The Pope says, "What can I do?"
The Colonel says, "I need you to change the daily
prayer from, 'Give us this day our daily bread' to
'Give us this day our daily chicken'. If you do it,
I'll donate 10 Million Dollars to the Vatican."

The Pope replies, "I am sorry. That is the Lord's
prayer and I can not change the words."

So the Colonel hangs up. After another month of dismal
sales, the Colonel panics, and calls again.

"Listen your Excellency. I really need your help.
I'll give you $50 million dollars if you change
the words of the daily prayer from 'Give us this
day our daily bread' to 'Give us this day our daily chicken.'"

And the Pope responds, "It is very tempting, Colonel Sanders.
The church could do a lot of good with that much money.
It would help us support many charities. But, again, I must
decline. It is the Lord's prayer, and I can't change the words."

So the Colonel gives up again. After two more
months of terrible sales. the Colonel gets desperate.

"This is my final offer, your Excellency. If you
change the words of the daily prayer from,
'Give us this day our daily bread' to 'Give us this day
our daily chicken', I will donate $100 million to the Vatican."

The Pope replies, "Let me get back to you."

So the next day, the Pope calls together all of
his bishops and he says, "I have some good news
and I have some bad news. The good news is that
KFC is going to donate $100 million to the Vatican."

The bishops rejoice at the news. Then one asks about
the bad news.

The Pope replies, "The bad news is that we lost
the Wonder Bread account."
----- End NetScrap(TM) -----
Entered on: 05/12/1998
At least KFC didn't ask him to take out the "God" part... ;)
114 posted on 02/09/2002 6:20:53 PM PST by RonDog
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To: Amore
Dr. Pepper, so misunderstood........
115 posted on 02/09/2002 6:21:19 PM PST by Joshua
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To: Hank Kerchief
I was aiming for a light-hearted suggestion that they were digging themselves a deeper hole by using a term, "verbiage", that could be construed as describing the Pledge as wordy.

Other than that, I wouldn't blow the whole matter out of proportion, but agree with those who suggest that they would have been better off handling the presentation differently. "One Nation Indivisible" might have been better than the use of the ellipsis.

116 posted on 02/09/2002 6:21:40 PM PST by governsleastgovernsbest
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To: Thornwell Simons; Darth Sidious
I'm intended to agree. This is just people getting oversensitive. Stop acting like a bunch of liberals.
If you want to really get worked up, protest something that's really ridiculous, like Spielberg cutting all the guns out of the E.T. rerelease.
Wow. That's news to ME! (But, naturally, NOT to Free Republic...)

See:

Spielberg may remove ALL THE GUNS out of "E.T.: The Extra-Terrestrial" (my title)
Posted on 08/13/2001 12:05:35 PDT by Darth Sidious
Anybody know the LATEST info on this story?
117 posted on 02/09/2002 6:28:59 PM PST by RonDog
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To: RonDog
They will get no more of my money. --MM
118 posted on 02/09/2002 6:31:45 PM PST by mustapha mond
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
Other than that, I wouldn't blow the whole matter out of proportion, but agree with those who suggest that they would have been better off handling the presentation differently. "One Nation Indivisible" might have been better than the use of the ellipsis.
I see. Good analysis.

When they truncate it from:

"One Nation, Under God, Indivisible"
to
"One Nation...Indivisible"
using an ellipsis, it implies that God is "unnecessary," (sort of lost "in the dots") since the PRIMARY definition for "ellipsis" is "omission of a word or phrase necessary for a complete syntactical construction but not necessary for understanding."

OTOH, I think that we may be reading TOO MUCH into this. Still, it reminds me of the old story about living your life in "The Dash," from

http://www.lindaslyrics.com/The%20Dash%20Poem.html

120 posted on 02/09/2002 6:49:39 PM PST by RonDog
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To: Joshua
What amazes me are the people here getting upset and vowing to boycott Dr. Pepper over this nonissue when there is real stuff to be upset about, like on this link here about the tasteless WTC/Social Security cartoon
121 posted on 02/09/2002 6:57:53 PM PST by Amore
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To: rwfromkansas
Well, it is "one nation under God" with no comma between "nation" and "under". "Under God" modfies "nation" as surely as "one" does.
122 posted on 02/09/2002 7:26:33 PM PST by RobbyS
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To: KJMorgan
I have to agree with you. Earlier articles lead me to believe that they included the entire Pledge, sans 'under God". That riled me as well. But now I see they used just a small fraction, and the omission does not seem as heinous. I think, in this case, we may be making a mountain out of a mole hill.

OTOH, I saw that 7-Up commercial of the guy stripping and thought that showed indescibably bad taste. No 7-Up this year. But as for Dr.Pepper, that can won't stop me from having one if I want.

123 posted on 02/09/2002 7:29:07 PM PST by lafroste
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To: analog
...not at all it their purpose to preach religion. It would just be apropos re the issue being addressed.
124 posted on 02/09/2002 7:30:36 PM PST by Pharmboy
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To: footstomper
There are some religious Freepers who find that writing out the deity's name is sacreligious; I merely am respecting that. It does not offend me.
125 posted on 02/09/2002 7:33:04 PM PST by Pharmboy
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To: bleudevil
R U a Pepper?
126 posted on 02/09/2002 7:33:40 PM PST by Pharmboy
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To: rwfromkansas
yes.... and Dr.Pepper is evil. LOL:)
127 posted on 02/09/2002 7:34:29 PM PST by ARA
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To: RonDog
..... So what do YOU think? .....

I think you ought to get a life !

128 posted on 02/09/2002 8:10:08 PM PST by Little John
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To: Little John
LOL! Thank you for your carefully crafted addition to this thread.

Sorry if my use of the word "YOU" was so open to misinterpretation; I intended to solicit opinions only from SENTIENT lifeforms.

129 posted on 02/09/2002 9:01:57 PM PST by RonDog
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To: RonDog
I'm satisfied with Dr Pepper's explanation and I'm glad someone posted a photo of the label on this thread. From what I had seen on other threads, I had assumed that the label purported to give the whole Pledge but used the pre-1954 version. Now that I see what they did I am completely supportive of them.
130 posted on 02/09/2002 9:04:04 PM PST by DonQ
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To: KJMorgan
Actually, when I learned the Pledge of Allegiance, "under God" wasn't in it. That wasn't added til around 1954. Seems to me that adding it is offensive, not the other way around.
131 posted on 02/09/2002 9:06:23 PM PST by MightyMouth
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To: Charles Henrickson
I think getting upset because Dr. Pepper had the words, "One Nation . . . Indivisible," and jumping to the conclusion that therefore they were deliberately omitting the words, "Under God"--I think that is stupid and silly. It's not like they printed the whole thing and left out only the words, "Under God." That would be a different matter entirely. Then I could see a reason for being upset. But as it is, I could only commend Dr. Pepper for a very patriotic display.

The problem is that the story is being told in such a way as to imply that the entire pledge is present except for the "Under God" part. People hear the story, and being idiots thy whine and moan about it without looking into what's really going on. Soon you have a major boycott effort all because no one could be bothered to investigate the can.
132 posted on 02/09/2002 9:17:50 PM PST by Dimensio
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To: analog
I would have thought that would be blasphemy in some way?

Do you find your money blasphemous? God's name is on it too.

Dr. Pepper plans to take a fair amount of it to the bank so I can understand why some people are upset about how the can is worded. As for me, and I'm a conservative Christian, I don't plan on losing sleep over it. I can help glorify God in other ways than on a soda can.

133 posted on 02/09/2002 9:18:51 PM PST by Twins613
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To: RonDog
Most "SENTIENT lifeforms" I've met don't require imagined slights for their raison d'etre .... There are lots of real threats and insults.

Regards ..... ( and may I suggest you ask your Doctor about Zolof !)

134 posted on 02/09/2002 9:30:54 PM PST by Little John
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To: DonQ
Thanks. This thread started as a result of my search for a photograph of the "offending" can. (I had originally heard that PEPSI was the evil-doer!)

When I finally found the underwhelming evidence on the DPSU website, I felt compelled to share it.

Dr Pepper! The ultimate "clean cut," All-American soft drink, consumed in mass quantities at nearby Christian-dominated Baylor University - in lieu of the "demon rum" prevalent on so many more "enlightened" campuses!

Say it ain't so!!!

It AIN'T so.

135 posted on 02/09/2002 9:51:36 PM PST by RonDog
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To: Little John
Here is a FRiendly tip:
Read the thread BEFORE you post...
Someone once said, "It is better to remain silent, and be THOUGHT OF as a fool, than to speak out, and remove all doubt."

That applies to lurking before you post, just as much as it does to fact-checking before you protest. If it is any consolation, you were not the FIRST (or only) poster on this thread to lash out at ME - without bothering to get the facts first - in precisely the same manner as the others (whom you wish to impugn) lashed out at DR PEPPER, without sufficient prior investigation.

Thank you for demonstrating so forcefully the message of this post:

"LOOK before you FReep!!!" ;)

137 posted on 02/09/2002 10:29:46 PM PST by RonDog
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To: Canavan
See post #137.
138 posted on 02/09/2002 10:43:08 PM PST by RonDog
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
The main definition of "verbiage" is: "An excess of words for the purpose; wordiness."

Good God, man (or lady as the case may be) GET A GRIP!

139 posted on 02/09/2002 10:48:17 PM PST by Lucius Cornelius Sulla
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To: supercat
So are you going to go after the makers and vendors of World War II newsreels that do precisely that?

You can't leave out what isn't there. 'Under God' was not part of the pledge in WWII, although that straight arm salute which is so distasteful now was part of taking the pledge.

140 posted on 02/09/2002 11:03:03 PM PST by Lucius Cornelius Sulla
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla
It looks like the MAROONS over at www.CNSnews.com are running with this - FRONT PAGE, banner headline (hook, line and sinker!) - apparently using the misleading e-mail as a primary source.

Can someone "cut and paste" their full story, and contact information, here? (I cannot, at present.)

We need to warn them of their folly.

141 posted on 02/09/2002 11:29:02 PM PST by RonDog
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To: Pharmboy
My G-d! I never drank that p*sswater anyway

LMAO! Yeah that is some nasty hit. I heard somebody took some of that "hit" and took it to a lab and the results were "Your horses have kidney problems!"

142 posted on 02/09/2002 11:40:02 PM PST by jwh_Denver
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To: RonDog
Can someone "cut and paste" their full story, and contact information, here? (I cannot, at present.)

Sure thing!

Dr Pepper Skips 'Under God' On Patriotic Cans
By Jeff Johnson
CNSNews.com Congressional Bureau Chief
February 08, 2002

Capitol Hill (CNSNews.com) - The Dr Pepper/Seven Up soft-drink company (DPSU) is under fire for skipping the phrase "under God" in a partial quotation of the Pledge of Allegiance on its "patriot can."

The graphic design of the can, created "to show the world that we are a united nation of people who place a high value upon freedom" according to the company, includes an artist's rendering of the Statue of Liberty and the phrase "One Nation ... Indivisible."

The American Family Association learned of the omission of the phrase "under God" when a 12-year-old girl wrote the group to complain.

"I am very concerned with Dr Pepper's new design on their cans," wrote Alyssa Haynie of Colt, Ark., whose letter is posted on the AFA website. "I noticed they have 'one nation...indivisible' on their cans and left out 'under God.'"

Haynie had emailed the company, and was told there was not room on the can to include the complete phrase.

But Randy Sharp, director of special projects for AFA, doubts that reasoning.

"Because they're trying to be politically correct they're being patriotically incorrect," Sharp told CNSNews.com. "By doing so, they're becoming divisive themselves, because they're alienating a major portion of the nation."

Dr Pepper (the period was dropped from the name in the 1950s) has been hearing from its customers, as well, based on the home page of the soft drink's corporate website.

"Dr Pepper responds to consumers regarding its patriot can," is the headline stretching across two-thirds of the page.

"The special packaging was designed to reflect our pride in this country's determination to stand together as one. The Statue of Liberty and Pledge of Allegiance were chosen as two of the greatest symbols of American freedom," the site explains. "Due to space limitations on the can, only a few of the 31 words from the Pledge of Allegiance could be used."

The explanation continues describing the "verbiage limitations" imposed by the size of the graphics on the can, echoing the reason Haynie was given. It also notes that 90 percent of the Pledge's content was omitted.

Sharp still doubts that space restrictions caused the edit to be made.

"I think anyone who looks at the can could see that there is plenty of space to include 'under God' very easily," he said. "They could drop their nutrition label a little bit and 'boom' they'd have plenty of room."

Haynie made that exact point in a second email to DPSU, but says she received no response.

Despite the controversy, the soft-drink maker believes it accomplished its goal with the special edition container.

"We at Dr Pepper/Seven Up strongly believe that the message on these cans is a resoundingly patriotic, bipartisan message that we are a united nation," the letter to consumers concludes.

Sharp says DPSU might be surprised to learn that he has received complaints from a number of people identifying themselves as "non-Christian" or "not religious" who are also offended by the slight.

"They may not be religious but they do recognize and respect religion and God as major factors in our culture and in our society," he said. "It's clear this is a company that has decided not only to leave God out of its corporate philosophy, but also has decided to offend a great number of the citizens of this country."

DPSU says the claims made against the can's design are "incomplete or inaccurate." AFA is asking anyone offended by the omission to contact the company.

Forty-one million of the cans were distributed in a dozen states. The regular Dr Pepper can design will return later in February.

E-mail a news tip to Jeff Johnson.

Send a Letter to the Editor about this article.

143 posted on 02/09/2002 11:53:15 PM PST by Lucius Cornelius Sulla
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla
Thanks! Can you do the same for American Family Association's e-mail from Alyssa Haynie?
144 posted on 02/10/2002 12:05:55 AM PST by RonDog
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To: RonDog
Thanks! Can you do the same for American Family Association's e-mail from Alyssa Haynie?

Sure thing, here is the letter. Folks can use your links to get to the sources.

Letter from 12-year-old to AFA regarding Dr. Pepper

Dear Sir,

I am a 12-year-old home-school student. My mom helped me find your e-mail address and suggested I e-mail some Christian and family organizations because I am very concerned with Dr. Pepper's new design on their cans.

I noticed they have "one nation...indivisible" on their cans and left out "under God." I told my mom and she helped me e-mail Dr. Pepper. They responded and said there wasn't room on the can. They said "in light of recent events they were trying to catch the spirit of patriotism."

I responded and suggested they move their nutritional information box down or use a smaller type or both. I told them there wasn't a good reason for leaving "under God" out because our nation is based on God. They did not respond to my second e-mail.

On my 12th birthday, I was sitting in front of the TV with my parents watching terrorists bomb my country. You see Sept. 11 is my birthday. On the day that was supposed to be most special to me out of the whole year except Jesus' birthday, I saw my America under attack and going to war.

I should know about what Dr. Pepper calls "patriotism in light of recent events." My world will never be the same. I want to get Christians united in a boycott against Dr. Pepper until they put "under God" back on their cans. Can you please help me? Could you please e-mail me back. Thank you.

Sincerely,

Alyssa Haynie
Colt, Arkansas

145 posted on 02/10/2002 12:12:29 AM PST by Lucius Cornelius Sulla
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To: RonDog
I've got to say that having a good heart doesn't mean that you have the brains of a rabbit in this thing. So much for pulling together after 9/11.
146 posted on 02/10/2002 12:14:00 AM PST by Lucius Cornelius Sulla
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To: Pharmboy
Interesting that in their response they never mention that G-d plays a part--anywhere in anything(even though He was left on the cutting room floor).

Why should they,since God is nothing but a myth created to scare the superstitious?

147 posted on 02/10/2002 1:10:56 AM PST by sneakypete
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To: Charles Henrickson
. It's not like they printed the whole thing and left out only the words, "Under God."

Why would this have been bad IF they had done it on purpose? The words "under God" weren't even added untill the early 1950's. Was the POA somehow evil up untill that time?

148 posted on 02/10/2002 1:14:28 AM PST by sneakypete
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To: RonDog
What do I think. It's a reasonable explanation. I saw the cans after all the noise was made and couldn't understand why people were getting so upset. I thought the can looked great and with the limited space on the packaging, it was a good design.

Sometimes I wonder if we on the right are guilty of the same PC crap that we complain about from the left.

149 posted on 02/10/2002 1:17:05 AM PST by Wrigley
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To: ARA
What is the "Loin of Judah"?

Just another tax-exempt scam to fleece the superstitious. Looks like he has "discovered a issue" that is sure to bring him hundreds of thousands of dollars to "fight the good fight".

150 posted on 02/10/2002 1:20:05 AM PST by sneakypete
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