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Skip to comments.Dr Pepper Responds to Consumers Regarding its Patriot Can [missing "Under God?"]
Posted on 02/09/2002 2:30:04 PM PST by RonDog
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This isn't like the patriotic "commercial" that ran in movie theatres (particularly the Edwards chain in So. Cal) where it was accompanied entirely by "America The Beautiful" tellingly missing the line "God shed his grace on thee and crown thy good..."
People who react negatively to this need, finding malice where this is no case, to get a grip and concern themselves with *real* problems.
On example might be the memorial cross atop Mt. Soledad here in San Diego. It's an unmistakeable landmark. The ACLA and an atheist have convinced the full circuit court to review a three judge appeals panel's finding, agreeing with the trial judge, San Diego acted properly in the auction of the land surrounding the memorial. This was the second time the city had attempted to please the ACLU and atheist complaintants by selling the land. The first sale was overturned. The second, done at the direction of a vote by the people of San Diego, a bidding auction, was a court approved settlement. The ACLU and atheist argue the bidding was rigged in favour of the veteran's group which has long cared for the site. This case has been ongoing for about eleven years now. It just won't die.
What disturbs me about this case, isn't that the City shouldn't be displaying a cross on public land, but that the Church/State separatists care NOTHING for the memorial's history. With the way they're preceding you'd think the city had erected it, wouldn't you? Not so.
The memorial was erected by a private family which then owned the land to honour the deaths of their veteran sons, (IIRC, in WWII). They left the memorial in their will to the city for upkeep. This happened before the culture of Church/State separation legal "jihad".
To me, it's a tempest in a soda can. They didn't cite the entire pledge, but rather just three words. And as Snopes noted in it's page on this subject...LOL! "Tempest in a soda can!" - VERY good!!!
Thanks also for the information about snopes.com: "Urban Legens Reference Pages"
Here is a PARTIAL quote from their http://www.snopes2.com/inboxer/outrage/drpepper.htm:
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You say "that the message on these cans is a resoundingly patriotic, bipartisan message that we are a united nation." I say you have left out the most imporant part of our pledge and nation: God.They're so stupid, thinking we're so stupid.
I shall no longer purchase Dr. Pepper or 7 Up products for my home or children. That's my message.
But, I am not going to spend any more time on this trivial issue of a pop can. I am not upset enough to even contact the company.
...This isn't like the patriotic "commercial" that ran in movie theatres (particularly the Edwards chain in So. Cal) where it was accompanied entirely by "America The Beautiful" tellingly missing the line "God shed his grace on thee and crown thy good..."THAT was a GREAT thread, too! (IMHO)
O, Beautiful for GOD-less skies: New release of "America the Beautiful" drops "God shed His Grace"
Posted on 12/18/01 12:26 PM Pacific by RonDog
But after reading Dr. Pepper response, ostensibly written to maintain good PR, I am a lot more bothered by this. They could not even bring themselves to use the words "under God" in the entire press release!? This is like issuing a press release about a particular public figure without ever giving his name. Bizarre, and indicative of something deeper.
Anyhow, as far as the 'not enough room' excuse goes, haven't these people ever heard of using different font sizes?
I looked this up and the original text, from 11 Oct 1892 (it was written for a Columbus Day celebration, published in a Boston youth magazine), was different in other ways as well. It had "...my flag..." instead of "...the Flag of the United States..." (that came Flag Day 1923), a year later "of America" was tacked on. It wasn't even an OFFICIAL pledge until June 1942, the following year the SCOTUS ruled public school students could not be compelled to say it as part of their daily routine.
The "under God" phrase did not come until Eisenhower added it Flag Day, 1954.
God is a partisan?
"God will be seriously upset at not being used as an advertising shill in Dr.Pepper's new campaign. As for their hyperbolic claim that we are, one nation indivisible, this is obviously misleading advertising, as we can easily be divided by petty crap like this." - Mission2marsRe: God as "an advertising shill," see also, from http://www.netscrap.com/netscrap_detail.cfm?scrap_id=365:
Absolutely the best analysis and answer so far!
(I do not hand out praise lightly.)
Pope and the ColonelAt least KFC didn't ask him to take out the "God" part... ;)----- Begin NetScrap(TM) ----- Pope and the Colonel After watching sales falling off for three straight months at Kentucky Fried Chicken, the Colonel calls up the Pope and asks for a favor. The Pope says, "What can I do?" The Colonel says, "I need you to change the daily prayer from, 'Give us this day our daily bread' to 'Give us this day our daily chicken'. If you do it, I'll donate 10 Million Dollars to the Vatican." The Pope replies, "I am sorry. That is the Lord's prayer and I can not change the words." So the Colonel hangs up. After another month of dismal sales, the Colonel panics, and calls again. "Listen your Excellency. I really need your help. I'll give you $50 million dollars if you change the words of the daily prayer from 'Give us this day our daily bread' to 'Give us this day our daily chicken.'" And the Pope responds, "It is very tempting, Colonel Sanders. The church could do a lot of good with that much money. It would help us support many charities. But, again, I must decline. It is the Lord's prayer, and I can't change the words." So the Colonel gives up again. After two more months of terrible sales. the Colonel gets desperate. "This is my final offer, your Excellency. If you change the words of the daily prayer from, 'Give us this day our daily bread' to 'Give us this day our daily chicken', I will donate $100 million to the Vatican." The Pope replies, "Let me get back to you." So the next day, the Pope calls together all of his bishops and he says, "I have some good news and I have some bad news. The good news is that KFC is going to donate $100 million to the Vatican." The bishops rejoice at the news. Then one asks about the bad news. The Pope replies, "The bad news is that we lost the Wonder Bread account."Entered on: 05/12/1998
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Other than that, I wouldn't blow the whole matter out of proportion, but agree with those who suggest that they would have been better off handling the presentation differently. "One Nation Indivisible" might have been better than the use of the ellipsis.
I'm intended to agree. This is just people getting oversensitive. Stop acting like a bunch of liberals.Wow. That's news to ME! (But, naturally, NOT to Free Republic...)
If you want to really get worked up, protest something that's really ridiculous, like Spielberg cutting all the guns out of the E.T. rerelease.
Spielberg may remove ALL THE GUNS out of "E.T.: The Extra-Terrestrial" (my title)Anybody know the LATEST info on this story?
Posted on 08/13/2001 12:05:35 PDT by Darth Sidious
Other than that, I wouldn't blow the whole matter out of proportion, but agree with those who suggest that they would have been better off handling the presentation differently. "One Nation Indivisible" might have been better than the use of the ellipsis.I see. Good analysis.
When they truncate it from:
"One Nation, Under God, Indivisible"using an ellipsis, it implies that God is "unnecessary," (sort of lost "in the dots") since the PRIMARY definition for "ellipsis" is "omission of a word or phrase necessary for a complete syntactical construction but not necessary for understanding."
OTOH, I think that we may be reading TOO MUCH into this. Still, it reminds me of the old story about living your life in "The Dash," from