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Skip to comments.Dr Pepper Responds to Consumers Regarding its Patriot Can [missing "Under God?"]
Posted on 02/09/2002 2:30:04 PM PST by RonDog
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This isn't like the patriotic "commercial" that ran in movie theatres (particularly the Edwards chain in So. Cal) where it was accompanied entirely by "America The Beautiful" tellingly missing the line "God shed his grace on thee and crown thy good..."
People who react negatively to this need, finding malice where this is no case, to get a grip and concern themselves with *real* problems.
On example might be the memorial cross atop Mt. Soledad here in San Diego. It's an unmistakeable landmark. The ACLA and an atheist have convinced the full circuit court to review a three judge appeals panel's finding, agreeing with the trial judge, San Diego acted properly in the auction of the land surrounding the memorial. This was the second time the city had attempted to please the ACLU and atheist complaintants by selling the land. The first sale was overturned. The second, done at the direction of a vote by the people of San Diego, a bidding auction, was a court approved settlement. The ACLU and atheist argue the bidding was rigged in favour of the veteran's group which has long cared for the site. This case has been ongoing for about eleven years now. It just won't die.
What disturbs me about this case, isn't that the City shouldn't be displaying a cross on public land, but that the Church/State separatists care NOTHING for the memorial's history. With the way they're preceding you'd think the city had erected it, wouldn't you? Not so.
The memorial was erected by a private family which then owned the land to honour the deaths of their veteran sons, (IIRC, in WWII). They left the memorial in their will to the city for upkeep. This happened before the culture of Church/State separation legal "jihad".
To me, it's a tempest in a soda can. They didn't cite the entire pledge, but rather just three words. And as Snopes noted in it's page on this subject...LOL! "Tempest in a soda can!" - VERY good!!!
Thanks also for the information about snopes.com: "Urban Legens Reference Pages"
Here is a PARTIAL quote from their http://www.snopes2.com/inboxer/outrage/drpepper.htm:
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You say "that the message on these cans is a resoundingly patriotic, bipartisan message that we are a united nation." I say you have left out the most imporant part of our pledge and nation: God.They're so stupid, thinking we're so stupid.
I shall no longer purchase Dr. Pepper or 7 Up products for my home or children. That's my message.
But, I am not going to spend any more time on this trivial issue of a pop can. I am not upset enough to even contact the company.
...This isn't like the patriotic "commercial" that ran in movie theatres (particularly the Edwards chain in So. Cal) where it was accompanied entirely by "America The Beautiful" tellingly missing the line "God shed his grace on thee and crown thy good..."THAT was a GREAT thread, too! (IMHO)
O, Beautiful for GOD-less skies: New release of "America the Beautiful" drops "God shed His Grace"
Posted on 12/18/01 12:26 PM Pacific by RonDog
But after reading Dr. Pepper response, ostensibly written to maintain good PR, I am a lot more bothered by this. They could not even bring themselves to use the words "under God" in the entire press release!? This is like issuing a press release about a particular public figure without ever giving his name. Bizarre, and indicative of something deeper.
Anyhow, as far as the 'not enough room' excuse goes, haven't these people ever heard of using different font sizes?
I looked this up and the original text, from 11 Oct 1892 (it was written for a Columbus Day celebration, published in a Boston youth magazine), was different in other ways as well. It had "...my flag..." instead of "...the Flag of the United States..." (that came Flag Day 1923), a year later "of America" was tacked on. It wasn't even an OFFICIAL pledge until June 1942, the following year the SCOTUS ruled public school students could not be compelled to say it as part of their daily routine.
The "under God" phrase did not come until Eisenhower added it Flag Day, 1954.
God is a partisan?
"God will be seriously upset at not being used as an advertising shill in Dr.Pepper's new campaign. As for their hyperbolic claim that we are, one nation indivisible, this is obviously misleading advertising, as we can easily be divided by petty crap like this." - Mission2marsRe: God as "an advertising shill," see also, from http://www.netscrap.com/netscrap_detail.cfm?scrap_id=365:
Absolutely the best analysis and answer so far!
(I do not hand out praise lightly.)
Pope and the ColonelAt least KFC didn't ask him to take out the "God" part... ;)----- Begin NetScrap(TM) ----- Pope and the Colonel After watching sales falling off for three straight months at Kentucky Fried Chicken, the Colonel calls up the Pope and asks for a favor. The Pope says, "What can I do?" The Colonel says, "I need you to change the daily prayer from, 'Give us this day our daily bread' to 'Give us this day our daily chicken'. If you do it, I'll donate 10 Million Dollars to the Vatican." The Pope replies, "I am sorry. That is the Lord's prayer and I can not change the words." So the Colonel hangs up. After another month of dismal sales, the Colonel panics, and calls again. "Listen your Excellency. I really need your help. I'll give you $50 million dollars if you change the words of the daily prayer from 'Give us this day our daily bread' to 'Give us this day our daily chicken.'" And the Pope responds, "It is very tempting, Colonel Sanders. The church could do a lot of good with that much money. It would help us support many charities. But, again, I must decline. It is the Lord's prayer, and I can't change the words." So the Colonel gives up again. After two more months of terrible sales. the Colonel gets desperate. "This is my final offer, your Excellency. If you change the words of the daily prayer from, 'Give us this day our daily bread' to 'Give us this day our daily chicken', I will donate $100 million to the Vatican." The Pope replies, "Let me get back to you." So the next day, the Pope calls together all of his bishops and he says, "I have some good news and I have some bad news. The good news is that KFC is going to donate $100 million to the Vatican." The bishops rejoice at the news. Then one asks about the bad news. The Pope replies, "The bad news is that we lost the Wonder Bread account."Entered on: 05/12/1998
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Other than that, I wouldn't blow the whole matter out of proportion, but agree with those who suggest that they would have been better off handling the presentation differently. "One Nation Indivisible" might have been better than the use of the ellipsis.
I'm intended to agree. This is just people getting oversensitive. Stop acting like a bunch of liberals.Wow. That's news to ME! (But, naturally, NOT to Free Republic...)
If you want to really get worked up, protest something that's really ridiculous, like Spielberg cutting all the guns out of the E.T. rerelease.
Spielberg may remove ALL THE GUNS out of "E.T.: The Extra-Terrestrial" (my title)Anybody know the LATEST info on this story?
Posted on 08/13/2001 12:05:35 PDT by Darth Sidious
Other than that, I wouldn't blow the whole matter out of proportion, but agree with those who suggest that they would have been better off handling the presentation differently. "One Nation Indivisible" might have been better than the use of the ellipsis.I see. Good analysis.
When they truncate it from:
"One Nation, Under God, Indivisible"using an ellipsis, it implies that God is "unnecessary," (sort of lost "in the dots") since the PRIMARY definition for "ellipsis" is "omission of a word or phrase necessary for a complete syntactical construction but not necessary for understanding."
OTOH, I think that we may be reading TOO MUCH into this. Still, it reminds me of the old story about living your life in "The Dash," from
OTOH, I saw that 7-Up commercial of the guy stripping and thought that showed indescibably bad taste. No 7-Up this year. But as for Dr.Pepper, that can won't stop me from having one if I want.
I think you ought to get a life !
Sorry if my use of the word "YOU" was so open to misinterpretation; I intended to solicit opinions only from SENTIENT lifeforms.
Do you find your money blasphemous? God's name is on it too.
Dr. Pepper plans to take a fair amount of it to the bank so I can understand why some people are upset about how the can is worded. As for me, and I'm a conservative Christian, I don't plan on losing sleep over it. I can help glorify God in other ways than on a soda can.
Regards ..... ( and may I suggest you ask your Doctor about Zolof !)
When I finally found the underwhelming evidence on the DPSU website, I felt compelled to share it.
Dr Pepper! The ultimate "clean cut," All-American soft drink, consumed in mass quantities at nearby Christian-dominated Baylor University - in lieu of the "demon rum" prevalent on so many more "enlightened" campuses!
Say it ain't so!!!
It AIN'T so.
Read the thread BEFORE you post...Someone once said, "It is better to remain silent, and be THOUGHT OF as a fool, than to speak out, and remove all doubt."
That applies to lurking before you post, just as much as it does to fact-checking before you protest. If it is any consolation, you were not the FIRST (or only) poster on this thread to lash out at ME - without bothering to get the facts first - in precisely the same manner as the others (whom you wish to impugn) lashed out at DR PEPPER, without sufficient prior investigation.
Thank you for demonstrating so forcefully the message of this post:
"LOOK before you FReep!!!" ;)
Good God, man (or lady as the case may be) GET A GRIP!
You can't leave out what isn't there. 'Under God' was not part of the pledge in WWII, although that straight arm salute which is so distasteful now was part of taking the pledge.
Can someone "cut and paste" their full story, and contact information, here? (I cannot, at present.)
We need to warn them of their folly.
LMAO! Yeah that is some nasty hit. I heard somebody took some of that "hit" and took it to a lab and the results were "Your horses have kidney problems!"
Dr Pepper Skips 'Under God' On Patriotic Cans
By Jeff Johnson
CNSNews.com Congressional Bureau Chief
February 08, 2002
Capitol Hill (CNSNews.com) - The Dr Pepper/Seven Up soft-drink company (DPSU) is under fire for skipping the phrase "under God" in a partial quotation of the Pledge of Allegiance on its "patriot can."
The graphic design of the can, created "to show the world that we are a united nation of people who place a high value upon freedom" according to the company, includes an artist's rendering of the Statue of Liberty and the phrase "One Nation ... Indivisible."
The American Family Association learned of the omission of the phrase "under God" when a 12-year-old girl wrote the group to complain.
"I am very concerned with Dr Pepper's new design on their cans," wrote Alyssa Haynie of Colt, Ark., whose letter is posted on the AFA website. "I noticed they have 'one nation...indivisible' on their cans and left out 'under God.'"
Haynie had emailed the company, and was told there was not room on the can to include the complete phrase.
But Randy Sharp, director of special projects for AFA, doubts that reasoning.
"Because they're trying to be politically correct they're being patriotically incorrect," Sharp told CNSNews.com. "By doing so, they're becoming divisive themselves, because they're alienating a major portion of the nation."
Dr Pepper (the period was dropped from the name in the 1950s) has been hearing from its customers, as well, based on the home page of the soft drink's corporate website.
"Dr Pepper responds to consumers regarding its patriot can," is the headline stretching across two-thirds of the page.
"The special packaging was designed to reflect our pride in this country's determination to stand together as one. The Statue of Liberty and Pledge of Allegiance were chosen as two of the greatest symbols of American freedom," the site explains. "Due to space limitations on the can, only a few of the 31 words from the Pledge of Allegiance could be used."
The explanation continues describing the "verbiage limitations" imposed by the size of the graphics on the can, echoing the reason Haynie was given. It also notes that 90 percent of the Pledge's content was omitted.
Sharp still doubts that space restrictions caused the edit to be made.
"I think anyone who looks at the can could see that there is plenty of space to include 'under God' very easily," he said. "They could drop their nutrition label a little bit and 'boom' they'd have plenty of room."
Haynie made that exact point in a second email to DPSU, but says she received no response.
Despite the controversy, the soft-drink maker believes it accomplished its goal with the special edition container.
"We at Dr Pepper/Seven Up strongly believe that the message on these cans is a resoundingly patriotic, bipartisan message that we are a united nation," the letter to consumers concludes.
Sharp says DPSU might be surprised to learn that he has received complaints from a number of people identifying themselves as "non-Christian" or "not religious" who are also offended by the slight.
"They may not be religious but they do recognize and respect religion and God as major factors in our culture and in our society," he said. "It's clear this is a company that has decided not only to leave God out of its corporate philosophy, but also has decided to offend a great number of the citizens of this country."
DPSU says the claims made against the can's design are "incomplete or inaccurate." AFA is asking anyone offended by the omission to contact the company.
Forty-one million of the cans were distributed in a dozen states. The regular Dr Pepper can design will return later in February.
E-mail a news tip to Jeff Johnson.
Send a Letter to the Editor about this article.
Sure thing, here is the letter. Folks can use your links to get to the sources.
Letter from 12-year-old to AFA regarding Dr. Pepper
I am a 12-year-old home-school student. My mom helped me find your e-mail address and suggested I e-mail some Christian and family organizations because I am very concerned with Dr. Pepper's new design on their cans.
I noticed they have "one nation...indivisible" on their cans and left out "under God." I told my mom and she helped me e-mail Dr. Pepper. They responded and said there wasn't room on the can. They said "in light of recent events they were trying to catch the spirit of patriotism."
I responded and suggested they move their nutritional information box down or use a smaller type or both. I told them there wasn't a good reason for leaving "under God" out because our nation is based on God. They did not respond to my second e-mail.
On my 12th birthday, I was sitting in front of the TV with my parents watching terrorists bomb my country. You see Sept. 11 is my birthday. On the day that was supposed to be most special to me out of the whole year except Jesus' birthday, I saw my America under attack and going to war.
I should know about what Dr. Pepper calls "patriotism in light of recent events." My world will never be the same. I want to get Christians united in a boycott against Dr. Pepper until they put "under God" back on their cans. Can you please help me? Could you please e-mail me back. Thank you.
Why should they,since God is nothing but a myth created to scare the superstitious?
Why would this have been bad IF they had done it on purpose? The words "under God" weren't even added untill the early 1950's. Was the POA somehow evil up untill that time?
Sometimes I wonder if we on the right are guilty of the same PC crap that we complain about from the left.
Just another tax-exempt scam to fleece the superstitious. Looks like he has "discovered a issue" that is sure to bring him hundreds of thousands of dollars to "fight the good fight".