Doctor Troubled By Pain Of Infants In Abortion

DA*DI ^ | 2/11/2002 | Dr. Thomas Messe

[J.R.R. Tolkien]

Doctor Troubled by Pain of Infants in Abortion

February 8, 2002
www.massnews.com
Letters to the Editor
Thomas V. Messe, M.D.

As a physician, I am always concerned about the level of pain my patients have. One group of people who never receive attention to their level of pain is unborn children. Many scientists have discovered that unborn children experience pain as early as seven weeks gestation. This has been shown by accelerations in their heart rate and brain waves during an abortion. There is no question that a baby in the 2nd and 3rd trimester experiences pain during an abortion. I would like to see legislation passed that makes women aware of fetal pain and gives them the option of receiving some sort of pain medicine during the procedure.

Saline abortions are probably the most painful procedures for infants. This technique is used after 16 weeks of pregnancy, when enough fluid has accumulated in the amniotic fluid sac surrounding the baby. A needle is inserted through the mother’s abdomen and 50-250 ml (as much as a cup) of amniotic fluid is withdrawn and replaced with a solution of concentrated salt. The baby breathes in, swallowing the salt and is poisoned. The chemical solution also causes painful burning and deterioration of the baby’s skin. Usually, after about an hour, the child dies. The mother goes into labor about 33 to 35 hours after instillation and delivers a dead, burned, shriveled baby. About 97% of mothers deliver their dead babies within 72 hours.

The "Dilation and Extraction" (D&X), or "intact D&E" (IDE) is sometimes referred to as Partial Birth Abortion. This procedure is used on women who are 20- to 32-weeks pregnant -- or even later into pregnancy. Guided by ultrasound, the abortionist reaches into the uterus, grabs the unborn baby’s leg with forceps and pulls the baby into the birth canal, except for the head, which is deliberately kept just inside the womb. (At this point in a partial-birth abortion, the baby is alive.) Then the abortionist jams scissors into the back of the baby’s skull and spreads the tips of the scissors apart to enlarge the wound.

After removing the scissors, a suction catheter is inserted into the skull and the baby’s brains are sucked out. The collapsed head is then removed from the uterus.

Animals in veterinarian offices and in research labs are not allowed to suffer like this. Why do we let members of our own race suffer in this fashion 1.5 million times a year? Let’s make it a law that these victims receive anesthesia.

- Thomas V. Messe, M.D.
Groton, CT

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[J.R.R. Tolkien]

[Khepera]

Good morning.

Thanks for the heads up!

[Khepera]

[MetalHeadConservative35]

JESUS THATS *%%*^%* SICK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ok...abortion doctors should be tried and convicted for murder eiether that or they should be shot on sight!

[Khepera]

AlGore and partial Birth Abortion Graphic

[Hank Kerchief]

Many scientists have discovered that unborn children experience pain as early as seven weeks gestation. This has been shown by accelerations in their heart rate and brain waves during an abortion.

Another spurious argument damaging the cause of all those who are opposed to abortion. Accelerated heart rates and "brain waves" occur in people under anesthesia when they are operated on. We know they feel no pain. Since the unborn are essentially "asleep" (under permanent anesthesia) the correct assumption is that they feel nothing, and their reactions are like those who are anesthetised.

Please stop arming the pro-abortion movement with this totally emotional and irrational drivel. If you beleive abortion is immoral, it is immoral to use dishonest methods to defend that view.

Hank

[Khepera]

Violence is not acceptable when dealing with Abortion Doctors. Please do not suggest that position since it makes you no better than they are. Only legal means of dealing with abortion is acceptable.

[MetalHeadConservative35]

yeah i know shootin them aint the best thing to do well i think a murder charge still applies

[Khepera]

The Hard, Dirty, Stinking, Terrifying Truth About Legalized Abortion

• One Day, not so long ago, one of our allies managed to infiltrate a Laboratory in Southern California that receives the babies killed by a particular chain of abortion "clinics". The pictures she took provide you an overview of what legalized abortion looks like up close and dirty.
• Each of those plastic jars contains one little dead person.  The mother's name and the date of the abortion are written on the labels.

• Look closely and you can make out the names of the mothers as well as some of the actual body parts of the children they sacrificed on the altar of the demon of self-indulgence.

• This one stack of receipts documents the babies slaughtered at Family Planning Association, 8888 Fletcher Parkway, La Mesa, California, in one day.
• The laboratory we infiltrated receives babies' bodies from many such "clinics".

• The containers come in all sizes.  These are the largest, containing babies between 20 to 36 weeks old.
• Notice the stains of evil covering the containers.

• It gets no easier to look at the actual caskets of hundreds of little people conceived by God and slaughtered in direct rebellion against God's will..

• Like Legalized Abortion itself, the stains of evil are horrible to behold.

• The least among the babies are bagged like groceries destined for satan's table.

• This gives you a glimpse at the contents of the smallest containers. This person was eights weeks from conception when butchered.

• Look closely at the words printed on the box and you will see the horrible paradox created when babies are killed and babies are birthed in the same facilities.

[Khepera]

Hello? Is this the Rotweiler Womans Progressive Health Center? It is? Is Dr. Tiller there? He is? Can you give him a message? You will? What? No! I'm not a patient but I need to talk to him about my Mommy. Yes, Yes thats right I'll hold.

Dr Tiller? Hi My Name is Sheri and you saw my mommy in there a couple of years ago! Yes she's fine. No you didn't get to give her an abortion. No, she is OK. No, those Religious people talked to her after her first visit to you and she was drawn to Jesus Christ. I just wanted you to know if it where up to me you would be on trial for murder! Hello? Hello? Dr. Tiller?

Dang he hanged up on me!

[Khepera]

Graphics are more informational than speculation.

[crystalk]

I think abortionists, feminists, and supreme court justices will all be reincarnated as unwanted fetuses, not once but many times over, and be salted out or chopped to bits not once, but thousands and thousands of times over.

So far, no one has shown me that they will not. My belief gives me great comfort.

[MetalHeadConservative35]

dang ive never seen anything so graphic...

[Khepera]

[A CA Guy]

It is because of things like abortion that we as a country are believed to no longer be under the protection of God. I said that for years before Falwell and Robertson spoke about it.

[jennyp]

What does this have to do with creation vs. evolution?

[Hank Kerchief]

Graphics are more informational than speculation.

You know that is not true, unless you prefer emotion to reason. I assure you, your graphics may stimulate those who are already opposed to abortion to be even more emotionally irrational, but they will never convince those who believe abortion is OK. I know your heart is in the right place, but your methods will not accomplish what you desire. If the goal is fewer abortions, your methods will only arm the opposition.

Do you really prefer people to make their choices based on feeling rather than right reason?

Hank

[Brad's Gramma]

We change the laws, legally. We change hearts, one by one. We pray earnestly. That's it.

[Khepera]

Ya want a piece of me?

[Brad's Gramma]

Do you really prefer people to make their choices based on feeling rather than right reason?

I really don't care HOW they change their minds, as long as they do. And don't you DARE say that those pictures won't have a lasting impact on someone contemplating abortion.....

[Jimbaugh]

How did you get my baby picture?

[Khepera]

Do you really prefer people to make their choices based on feeling rather than right reason?

I don't care how they make their decision as long as they make the "Right" decision to give birth.

[AndrewC]

We know they feel no pain.

How's that? Did you ask them?

[Khepera]

How did you get my baby picture?

I've got this itty bitty camera. Which one is you?

[Jimbaugh]

#20 Picture

[Brad's Gramma]

That was uncalled for.

[MetalHeadConservative35]

We change the laws, legally. We change hearts, one by one. We pray earnestly. That's it.

ya got that right....

[Khepera]

Planned Parenthood and
the KKK wanted to kill
me but my mother is a
Christian. Thank you Jesus

[Brad's Gramma]

Thanks. What a beautiful baby!!!!!!

[MetalHeadConservative35]

well yall im out for tonight catch up with yall in the morning

good night! :)

[mrustow]

Pardon my ignorance, but I thought the law only permitted abortions during the first trimester. (I know that partial-birth abortions are committed as late as nine months, but I thought they exist only as a dodge around the law.)

[Slyfox]

Do you really prefer people to make their choices based on feeling rather than right reason?

Eighty percent of the women who are told the truth about what is inside of them when they are pregnant and thinking of abortion, decide not to have an abortion. If you think that is pro-life propaganda, think again. That comes from an Alan Guttmacher Institute study done almost twenty years ago. A study that they have taken great pains to hide.

[Khepera]

Good Morning Gramma. The babies all love you and we do too. the Bluesman is speachless. Jesus blesses you.

[Brad's Gramma]

Jesus blesses you.

I could use a big dose of that right now! Thanks!!!!

[Khepera]

Pick me up I need a hug.

[Brad's Gramma]

Awesome. Sure wish I could reach right in this computer and grab him.....he'd get a big ole Gramma hug like he's never had before. I'd probably walk around, bouncing him around in my arms, "singing" (barf, gag) to him......

Thanks a bunch.

[Khepera]

Some states regulate it and some do not. Dr. Tiller specializes in Late term Abortion.

[Khepera]

Many patients request a remembrance of their baby to take home with them. when they have Late Abortion Care.

[Khepera]

At Women's Health Care Services, our Fetal Indication Termination of Pregnancy program involves managing the pregnancy by the premature delivery of a stillborn. On the first day of the process, an injection of a medication is made into the baby to assure that it will be stillborn.

[Khepera]

Dr. George Tiller, M.D., DABFP

[Brad's Gramma]

Ick. I KNEW I should've just logged off & not checked one more time......Now I've got to see that stupid face while I'm falling asleep.

[Brad's Gramma]

Don't worry. I went back to "my" baby in #38....Aaaaaahhhhhh. Nite all.

[Khepera]

Picture Jesus

[Khepera]

Always Pray for the Babies and Put Jesus in your minds eye.

[AndrewC]

That was uncalled for.

What? To ask for verification of an absolute assertion.

[pariah]

Thanks for the informative graphic, Khepera. I hope I can still sleep well tonight. Even the pre-Christian Greeks knew abortion was abominable, as evidenced by the Hippocratic Oath, which doctors hypocritically subscribe to today.

[pariah]

. I assure you, your graphics may stimulate those who are already opposed to abortion to be even more emotionally irrational, but they will never convince those who believe abortion is OK.

Yeah, right Hank. And graphic pictures of bodies lying in mass graves in Nazi death camps only stimulate the irrational emotions of those already opposed to mass extermination... we over-sensitive types just need to get used to things as they will be in the 'Brave New World'. Thanks for the heads up.