Islamist hide-outs in Virginia

Washington Times ^ | 2/11/02 | Jerry Seper and Steve Miller

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FARMVILLE, Va. — A radical Muslim sect with ties to international terrorism is seeking to create a patchwork of "hide-outs" in rural southern Virginia for would-be terrorists and other extremists, according to law-enforcement authorities here.

These sanctuaries, which are communes located throughout the sparsely populated, hilly countryside, have been established to follow the teachings of Sheik Mubarik Ali Shah Gilani. One encampment, in nearby Red House, has named its main thoroughfare "Sheik Gilani Road."

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[dennisw]

********************** Way too close to Washington DC!***************

[GeronL]

not related to Fresno? Dearborn? Tulsa?

There are pockets of these groups all over the nation

[Ernest_at_the_Beach]

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[dennisw]

This seems like a Black Muslim and foreign born Muslim thing. If these places are raided the native born Black Muslims can raise he*l and provide cover for the foreign born Muslim Jihadists.

This stuff stinks. You best believe the Jihadists would love to recruit and work with American Black Muslims! A wet dream for them.

[Ernest_at_the_Beach]

(((PING))))))

[Inge_CAV]

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[Lion's Cub]

Actually, it's not the ones living in communes that bother me- we know where they are. And it's kind of nice to have them all grouped up together if push ever comes to shove...

[Simcha7]

It's Time For The USA To Get Tough...

Round Them UP and...DEPORT, DEPORT, DEPORT!

Lets Drop Them Off In...FrogLand!

Nah, Even That's Way Too Easy.

How's About...?

A Nice Hot Desert...Right Smack In The Middle Of The Arabian Desert...

No Water, No Tents, No Cell Phones, No Camels and No Sandals...That Should Do Rather...Nicely!

In My Humble Opinion.

[Jackie222]

Thanks for the heads up......I wonder how many states are NOT infected? America needs to get her house in order.

[Jackie222]

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[Mortimer Snavely]

These folks bear watching, not crude harassment.

[Mahone]

A rural area is not where these guys ought to try to hide, we all know each other in these areas and believe me you get the weekly or monthly paper not to find out what people are up to, but who got caught!

[PleaseNoMore]

I am going to swear that my area is a growing harbor for Arab men. In the past year there have been so many to come in then disappear only to be replaced by new ones ( so far we have counted 22 different ones). They are all young men. There are no families with them. It is really odd. They are the oddest bunch I have ever encountered.

[SpinyNorman]

First, you get close to the "communes" and take LOTS of videotape of the participants.

Second, you call Janet Reno, and tell her you have a job for her with BATF. Do them up, Waco style!

Hell, if she can torch a bunch of children, what qualms would she have about a group of potential terrorists!!

I am surprised that the state that produced men like Colonel Mosby, the "Gray Ghost," can't arrange a little welcome wagon for these boys.

[MissAmericanPie]

They belong in France, where they can take pot shots at the Eiffel Tower.

[Freedom'sWorthIt]

And yet, the Federal Govt under Clinton spent multimillions of dollars and set up a high tech surveillance station in Western NC all because of their tracking of ONE MAN - Eric Rudolph - while ignoring these groups which perhaps are hatching terrorist attack plans on American citizens?

No surprise.

[RaceBannon]

DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY LINKS TO ARTICLES OF ARABS TAKING PICTURES OF DAMS, BLDS, CHEMICAL PLANTS, ETC? ^

[afz400]

Why not contact the FBI about this? It sounds urgent to me.

[Clovis_Skeptic]

"The faces of those we have seen in the communities are continually changing. It's unclear who's there at any given time and what they're doing,"

The scum being tried for murdering a Fresno County Sheriff's Deputy, was a "recent" newcomer of Baladullah, the compound above Fresno, CA. He moved from a compound on the east coast (in NY I think, going from fuzzy memory), to Fresno, for "Islamic psychotherapy". Now is that scary or ????

[Clovis_Skeptic]

re my post above

The father of shooting suspect (ambushed Fresno Co. Deputy) Ramadan Abdullah said his son was showing signs of mental illness last year. Mahdi Abdullah said his son had attended youth retreats organized by a community of Gilani followers outside Binghamton, N.Y. Then, his son dropped from sight.

[cardinal4]

Why not contact the FBI about this? It sounds urgent to me.

Instead of the Reno-Gestapo tactics of Waco and Elian,the toon administration should have been jackbooting these compounds.

[PleaseNoMore]

I have as have many of my neighbors. The ones that have come and gone have supposedly bought a little convenience store on the corner of our street. At first, it wasn't suspicious but this store has been "purchased" many times in the last 12 mo. Funny thing is that the business license on the wall has never changed ( I noticed it when they first opened and then looked again after the 3rd or 4th "owner" took over ). Being right off the base of Camp MacKall and right off of the reservation leading into Bragg really makes you wonder about them too. We have a lot of military traffic here. My next door neighbor, a ret military Intelligence officer swears that they have the perfect front ( the store ) to launder $$$$.

[Grampa Dave]

Thanks for the ping!

[Grampa Dave]

Dennis posted, This seems like a Black Muslim and foreign born Muslim thing. If these places are raided the native born Black Muslims can raise he*l and provide cover for the foreign born Muslim Jihadists. This stuff stinks. You best believe the Jihadists would love to recruit and work with American Black Muslims! A wet dream for them.

Excellent analysis. It appears that all of these Jihad Johnny Training facilities in the USA have a lot Black Muslims fronting, working and supporting these peace loving mass murderers.

Think for just a moment. If you are a super rich Arab who hates America in the 1970's, a few small donations to the militant Black groups plus active recruitment into the Muslim umbrella would establish a large group of anti Black Americans who totally support the Islamic Terrorists!

Then donate money to the ACLU and other PC/Diversity pushers to make sure that Jihad in America camps never are really investigated. Also, that would insure that any indictments against these terrorists would immediately arouse Je$$E and $harpton and other black Rico Raci$ts.

Then donate heavily to X42 and the demonicRat party to insure that the FBI/Justice Department only barbeque a small Christian Sect in Waco and focus on a little Cuban refugee, Elian.

[Grampa Dave]

Travis for your info!

[mercy]

Folks, there are going to be more attacks. It is inevitable. It's inevitable because we are unwilling to do what is necessary to stop it. Either we implant microchips in all American citizens and then put chip readers EVERYWHERE. Or we stop ALL immigration from even suspect terrorist states let alone known terrorist states.

Which is it going to be and when are we going to do it? After the next major attack? Or maybe the one after that. Don't get your hopes up though. How many attacks has Israel endured? And yet we expect her to just go on enduring them time after time after time.

So, get used to the new reality friends. Islamic roulette. Which city is next? How many will die this time?

[mercy]

But GD, everything has changed since 9/11! Have not you heard? The FBI is on the case now. I betcha we have an agent personally assigned to each and every islameonazi in this country AND Europe. They'll be rounding them up and burying them deep inside maximum security fedzones any day now. Then all the good muslims can get back to being the good Americans they really are! They can go back to ignoring the major tenents of Islam regarding the islamic takeover of the world, they can once again hold their heads up high and look their jewish neighbors in the eye again, and worship their bloodthirsty diety in peace.

[timestax]

Close to Norfolk (Navy base) too??

[El Gato]

Owners of a gun shop in the area said members of the Muslim communities have bought several weapons over the past few years. They said their weapons of choice are high-priced, heavy-caliber handguns, ... The owners said most of the purchases occurred before the September 11 attacks — including several men who purchased their legal limit of one handgun every 30 days.

In the old days of freedom, the gun shop owners would probably not sell to these folks. But today, if they didn't sell to them, the ACLU, NAACP, etc, etc, and the Department of Justice would be all over them like ducks on a June bug. Of course when (and if) they finally do something with those heavy caliber handguns, well the same folks will put on their Brady Bunch, VPC, etc,etc, hats and will be screaming for more gun control laws.

I would also note that heavy caliber handguns are not the weapons of choice for defending your commune. Shotguns and automatic rifles fill that purpose more effectively.

[texson66]

Time to send ALL Mid -East muslim immigrants (legal and otherwise) HOME!!!!

[Grampa Dave]

Of course we both know the reality.

That reality is we don't have enough good FBI agents to keep track of even 5% of the Jihad in America Islamics who hate America (both Middle East and Home grown Black Muslems).

[mercy]

I noticed you said 'good' agents. That would be the ones who do NOT, incinerate children, put bullets through nursing mother's eyes or lie on the witness stand????? You're probably right. There must be some. But then even the 'good' ones would probaly forcibly deport against their will small boys to the worlds most repressive communist dictatorship... in an FBI minute.

[Grampa Dave]

Actually the FBI was not really involved in the Elian fiasco. It was shake and bake Jake Reno's injustice department and the Gestapo thugs in the INS. The Gestapo thug with the machine gun at the ready was INS not FBI.

The affirmative action/Politically Correct Pink Panty FBIers hired and promoted from 1993 to Jan 2001 should have to submit a letter of resignation that is valid up to two years. At anytime the new FBI chief could accept that letter. He should have a good handle on who is of value, is salvageable and should be fired by now.

The FBI under X42 and Jake Reno became the Former Bureau of Investigaion. When we had the 3 women murdered near Yosemite, the pink panty FBIers wanted to pin the murders on a group of bikers in that area. So they used the killer to help them in their early investigation. That killer worked for the hotel where the slain women had stayed. He had a bad record and should have been investigated as soon as the women disappeared. Instead he just about walked!

[Victoria Delsoul]

Despite repeated denials, three members of the Red House commune have been arrested on weapons charges in the past year, including two following the September 11 terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon that killed more than 3,000 people.

Way too close to any of us.

[mercy]

Actually I knew that but they're all feds, they're all dishonest and I refuse to discriminate within that group of alphabet soup goons any more. It's like the paki ISI saying "Don't look at us. It was those naughty Taliban boys that screwed up." or Yassirthat'smybaby allowing various and sundry alphabet terrorist groups to run wild amoungst the PA so he can be the nice guy. None of it washes.

[beowolf]

Hi bro...this cr@p is getting out of control. Maybe, just maybe, more people will wake up to what is happening under their noses.

[Clovis_Skeptic]

everything you said is unfortunatley true!!

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[Don Myers]

This is all very interesting. My question is, can't our "law-enforcement" federal agencies do something about this? Or, do they only go after speeders?

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[Ligeia]

Related thread: FBI eyes Virginia link to militant Muslim sect

[Ligeia]

Feb 12, 2002

From stills to terrorism

Center leader has seen a revolution in crime-fighting

BY IRIS TAYLOR
TIMES-DISPATCH STAFF WRITER

Richard L. Johnston says his life ambition always was to be a policeman. (MARK GORMUS)

Richard L. Johnston used to bust moonshiners in Nelson County, Ky., southeast of Louisville during the 1970s.

He was in his 20s when he ran up against Babe Ray, a legendary moonshiner who was 70-something and might have been making bootleg whiskey all his adult life.

It's not like Babe Ray hadn't been arrested before. He had been locked up numerous times, fined and let go.

Johnston arrested Babe Ray one of those times. He even captured as a souvenir his "hat" - that pointed, funnel-shaped filter that bootleggers used to hang up in a tree as a charm.

Babe Ray is probably dead now, three decades later. But his "hat" is still in storage somewhere inside Johnston's Glen Allen house.

Johnston doesn't arrest moonshiners anymore. As director of the non-profit, white-collar crime center, dubbed NW3C, he oversees the training and support of officers and staff in more than 1,000 law enforcement agencies nationwide, helping them fight economic crime, Internet fraud and terrorism.

Within hours after the Sept. 11 disasters, Johnston, in partnership with the FBI, converted NW3C's online consumer fraud complaint center (www. ifccfbi.gov) into an international dragnet for terrorist leads.

By last week, more than 165,000 tips had flooded into the site for investigation by the FBI, earning it the Excellence.Gov award for innovative electronic initiatives.

When Johnston was a tyke growing up in Fairmont, W.Va., he used to ride a tricycle with a window shield emblazoned with the word POLICE. "I wanted to be a policeman all my life."

Crime fighting has come a long way since Johnston was a boy. It used to be that the bad guys kept track of their illicit operations on 3-by-5 index cards, and on ledgers and in steel file cabinets. Today, they keep the names and addresses of their victims and customers and details of their shady dealings in computers and on Palm Pilots.

That means law enforcement officials need to be computer-literate. They have to be able to identify, retrieve, preserve and then present their criminal evidence in court.

Resume

Age: 54

Title: director, National White Collar Crime Center, Richmond (www.nw3c.org)

Hometown: Washington, Pa. Lives in Glen Allen and Morgantown, W.Va.

Career highlights: special agent, U.S. Treasury Department, Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms in Louisville, Ky.; operations officer with the ATF in Detroit; special agent in charge, ATF, San Jose, Calif.; organized crime coordinator, ATF, Louisville; financial adviser in the private sector; deputy director of the Louisville-Jefferson County, Ky., Crime Commission and adjunct faculty member of the Southern Police Institute, University of Louisville; director, Drug Enforcement Training Program, Virginia Department of Criminal Justice Services

Education: bachelor of arts degree in education, West Virginia University; master's in criminal justice administration, University of Louisville

Family: wife, Patricia, and his married daughters Amy and Meredith

For fun: racquetball

It's a real challenge for law enforcement agencies, said Richmond FBI spokesman Lawrence Barry. Computers enable crooks "to have a much broader range of criminal activity because they can go all over the world from their computer. It also presents an evidence issue," he said. "It's a lot more difficult to get information from a computer."

Criminals can easily hide evidence in a computer behind a system of passwords and even set booby traps that can delete or destroy a file, thwarting an investigation.

Today, Barry said, when hiring agents, the FBI looks for people with computer science degrees and a background in computers.

"Clearly, not every law enforcement agent is versed in computers," he said. "In fact, very few of them have a real expertise."

Not only do many agents lack computer skills - often they don't have access to a computer.

That's where NW3C comes in. As an organization, it has no investigative authority. But with a large portion of its nearly $10 million annual congressional allocation, it offers high-tech training, research and investigative support to member law enforcement agencies that call and ask for help.

On any given day, NW3C's staff might receive phone calls from law enforcement officers or investigators who need help recovering and analyzing data, say, from a boiler room operation for telemarketing fraud. They may need training on how to go in with a search warrant, get people away from their keyboards and preserve the evidence inside those computers without disturbing it.

Probably NW3C's most visible project, though, is the Internet complaint center based in Fairmont. "That has been a point of pride in 2001 for us," said Johnston.

Originally, the site collected and distributed to the appropriate agencies complaints from consumers about Internet rip-offs.

After Sept. 11, "we recognized we had a valuable tool that could be utilized with very little effort at all" to collect terrorist leads, he said.

Now, the site has been expanded to collect all crime leads, including terrorism, drug dealing, murders, violence and gang activity.

Johnston thrives on crime-fighting activity. He's a workaholic, spending at least 50 to 65 hours a week on the telephone, writing e-mails, going to meetings, visiting law enforcement agencies, building partnerships and providing information to Congress and legislators.

He's been working at this pace since his career began in 1970. But the nature of his work has changed dramatically.

He started out "on the street, putting people in jail."

He took the fast track through management at the U.S. Treasury Department's Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms division and wound up in California as the youngest agent in charge of the San Jose office.

From the mean streets of Detroit, to California "dealing with international terrorists and gun smugglers," Johnston lived his dream of being a cop. His first investigation in California was the bombing of then San Francisco councilwoman Diane Feinstein's condo. "Everything was high profile," he said.

But the fast life found him under medical care at age 30. "Stress just builds up on you and you don't see it coming," he said. "Unfortunately, it's a young man's game. It's very demanding on you physically and mentally."

An ulcer and diverticulitis taught Johnston to manage his stress. "No, I didn't slow down, really," he said. "I became very good at exercise and stress control."

NW3C has grown from five staff members in 1992 when Johnston took the helm, to 114 today, and four office sites serving member agencies in 50 states.

Source

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[Howlin]

Time for some Visa/citizenship paper checks, IMO.

This is too close to me!

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