Posted on 02/11/2002 5:06:42 PM PST by Petronski
Larry asked them about it just now on Larry King Live (2-11-2), and they refused to deny it.
It was Roger Stone, a longtime activist in the party. His ex-wife Ann Stone founded the Republicans for Choice group. Stone is remarried, and swinging with the current wife -- he got caught by the media because he was dumb enough to run a swingers ad with his picture on it!
Yes, the parents seem more interested in protecting their orgy buddies than in finding their daughter. They didn't even care enough about her to tell the truth in the first place, but maybe they already know she's dead and are just covering up to protect their "friends".
It doesn't sound like it ---it sounds like the child was taken from the house or whatever was done to her because one of the parents brought home a bunch of people from a bar and they were too involved in their orgies to care or notice what was going on. It doesn't sound like they were trying to provide a very safe home for those children. Most likely one of their orgy-mates killed their daughter.
I didn't say anything about "perversion." You did.
My point is very simple. It depends on basic human psychology and requires no knowledge from me about your "lifestyle." Unless you have conducted extensive psychological tests, you cannot possibly know with any degree of confidence the true motivational factors among members of your own swinging group, let alone among swingers in general. Nor can you possibly state with any confidence that "pedophilia is NOT something which exists [even to the point of saying it doesn't exist!] as an interest among swingers."
Why would you want to make such a broad statement? You must be aware of the extremely high number of lowlifes that are into your "thing." My guess is that in your heart of hearts you are uneasy about these practices, and when challenged you lamely attempt to put a panglossian, highly moral sheen on them.
As I said earlier, you can only know your own sexual predilections, and, depending on your level of awareness, you may even be mistaken about those.
In this case however, it seems to me the mother is a cold weirdo, and the father is a whimp that does what ever he is told to do.
I may not (or may) agree with how you live your life, but will defend til death your right to live it ... or words to that effect, etc etc
So, WTF do you think i would ever be obligated to tell my kids exactly what we do with our friends when we go out at night and leave them at grandma's?
There's a huge, huge difference between what two consenting adults do in their privacy of their bedroom and these same parents bringing other adults into the bedroom. For one thing, you're getting other people involved in the equation, which means psychological consequences, not to mention diseases. And the chances of other people finding out your behavior increase exponentially with each new partner added to the equation.
Agreement bump!
Pardon my "rant" in advance, buy if they had not been swingers, and deeply involved in that lifestyle, they would not have had people coming into the house at these hours ... if they had done anything at all in a faithful, monogomous lifestyle, it would have been them doing it in their own home and the other associations, particularly by the wife that night, would not have occurred ... and if they had, she certainly would not have brought them home ... but then, that would not be a normal, faithful monogamous lifestyle either.
Eric ... I don't care what your lifestyle is. You are free to live it as long as you do not violate others rights. But that does not mean it is moral and it does not mean that it is "right" and it certainly does not mean I will accept it as such ... even though I recognize that there are varing degrees of people involved in the lifestyle ... those varying degrees are simply to me, varying degrees of immorality, just as anyone involved in any form of adultery is.
The key issue with respect to the traditional lifestyle of marriage is one of fidelity and faithfulness. When the fidelity line is crossed, whether behind one's back, or whether with full agreement, then fidelity is simply gone and any faithfulness is made a mockery of ... in fact, at that point, an individual is only being faithful to themselves and their own passions IMHO. Adultery is not an issue of doing it when someone isn't looking, or when someone doesn't care ... it is an issue of doing it with someone to whom you are not married, period.
Again, I didn't care to know your lifestyle ... and I am not going to try and "force" you one way or another within the constraint of the infringement of other's rights. But please, don't try and pass on this notion that it is moral, that it is somehow faithful and has anything to do with traditional marriage vows simply because you both "agree", ot that it can be anything remotely related or equivalent to them ... clearly it is not. And, in as much as it does not, my own feeling and opinion is that it is very unhealthy ... and I believe from a religious perspective that it is simply wrong and will lead individuals and societies that partake in it to ruin.
Therefore, I (meaning me personally) would not call it marriage in the traditional, moral and spiritual sense of the word. Although your agreement may be mutual ... and it may be legal ... it is certainly not what I would call a marriage based on vows of fidelity and faithfulness before God ... and it is the type of thing, like many other vices, that is practiced by the majority of society, will ruin us as a nation and as a people.
The traditional values in this country and the by and large acceptance of them by the majority of people is what keeps us strong ... morally, mentally and physically as a people. Strong traditional marriages make for strong families (this is presuming that the fidelity and faithfulness are maintained). The more that breaks down, the more those societal strengths will ebb away and the more incidents like this we will have. So I pray, despite the fact that you are free to live such a lifestyle, that it nevers becomes the norm.
Finally, I believe that a very large part of this girl's disappearance and possible death is a result of a lifestyle that by its nature is unfaithful and filled with infedility. And once those values are breached, other more glaring and starling dangers enter in ... unfortunately, such dangers are very stark and unforgiving to innocents like these children.
No need for a rely, this is just my own (rather lengthy) opinion, but one I do all in my power to pass on to my own five kids and the scouts I teach and anyone willing to listen.
Therefore, I (meaning me personally) would not call it marriage in the traditional, moral and spiritual sense of the word. Although your agreement may be mutual ... and it may be legal ... it is certainly not what I would call a marriage based on vows of fidelity and faithfulness before God ... and it is the type of thing, like many other vices, that is practiced by the majority of society, will ruin us as a nation and as a people.
There is almost a militancy in the defense of harmful, or potentially harmful behaviors, and a need to put down the normal behavior.
Indeed, it is become rather common, to call names of "prude", "raciast", "right wing ranter" in an attempt to shut people up, rather than to seriously face the issue or question.
Your post was refreshing.
Drugs are harmless, right guys?
You can keep pushing that "drugs are harmless" belief but people still aren't buying it.
I suggest you reread my posts. Other than pointing out the futility of parents attempting to hide their lifestyle from their children, I simply posed logical and reasonable questions.
Again, I assert that if a parent feels compelled to hide their lifestyle from their children, that lifestyle needs to be re-examined. I asked you once before, what part of this do you disagree with...let me ask again...what part of this assertion do you disagree with?
Bump
No,it just means you are sane,and not a part of the lunatic,sexually-obsessed right.
Sick Sick Sick. Isn't there some department of government to report OK to?
No,you don't. You are loving this. It gives you a chance to feel superior to somebody else.
but, one of my first impressions about the van dam woman, was she had a hard cold look to her.
Of course she is hard and cold-looking. You are seeing your own image reflected back at you. On the other hand,a woman who is involved in mate-swapping is anything BUT "hard and cold".
Wonder if she has a drinking problem?
Meow! And what does this have to do with her daughter being kidnapped? You DO remember there is a missing child,right?
Interesting. Perfect cover for him to meet like minded individuals here. Although I suspect the pickings are pretty slim (outside of Bewolf).
Swinging, a game the whole family can play.
Where is Roscoe when I need him?
You know MSLADY that well? I think she's made a very good observation. But when you go through life with a mental seeing eye dog, some things escape you.
Identical chances.
What is the likelihood that the little girl would be missing if her parents had spent the evening at home and tucked her in?
Her father WAS at home all night,and he even tucked her in.
It's not a matter of "sexual habits",
You are right here,but why did you try to make it a issue in your first sentence?
it's a matter of parental responsibility.
No,it's not. Remember Polly Klass? There are untold numbers of children abducted from their homes every year by strangers,with the parents being home and totally blameless. "No,I do NOT know how this is possible.",but I DO know it happens. What everybody should be focusing on here is that a little girl is missing and either dead or in danger. Instead,we have a bunch of sexually-repressed idiots who want to play voyuer.
Of course you want them arrested and jailed. They had sex,and you think anybody that has sex deserves to be punished. What else do you agree with the Taliban and the Ayatollah's of Iran about?
The above says it all, when it comes to just who here is sick sick sick....
HorseHillary! You meet the same people.
Sorry,but I meant to address this little example of your "deep-thinking" with the previous post. A point of fact is that pot smoking IS a crime right now,so 1,000 pot smokers are automatically comitting 1,000 crimes. On the other hand,there is nothing illegal about owning a yacht.
And you say this why? You a swinger too?
- I'll bet not.
Then you'll bet wrong. Beowolf engaged me first, and rather harshly, I might add. I simply put him back in his place.
I didnt attack you. I simply asked you a question. Are you now, or have ever been a 'swinger'.
Unless the home is equiped with an alarm system that has an indoor siren most people will not wake up, if there is an intruder inside. Locking doors and windows will not keep even the most inept criminal out. One twist of a pipe wrench on a door knob will break the lock, and give free access to the home. Then it is free roam time for the intruder.
Just be thankful that nothing ever happened to your children, because it wasn't the locked doors and windows that kept the bad guys out. It might have been nothing more than chance.
You're right! They both probably should have been arrested and sent off to government camps while they were still in junior high school. That is most likely when they first started having sex and doing illegal drugs,like tobacco and alcohol. That right there should be seen as proof they were going to be trouble in the future,and several years in a religious camp run by somebody like Jim Baker,Jesse Jackson, or the preacher from Louisanna who is Jerry Lee Lewis's cousin could only help lead them on the straight and moral track! We just can't have all these people running around out there having non-approved fun! We need to control them!
Speaking of which,I am sure you will join me in my new campaign to eliminate the wearing of sexy underwear. What other purpose does this clothing serve than to arouse sexual desires? I say,"DOWN WITH THONGS!" Will you join me in this call,neighbor? It's for the chilrun.
Yeah, but aren't they supposed to have sex with each other??
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