Skip to comments.Missing Danielle Parents Allegedly Swingers
Posted on 02/11/2002 5:06:42 PM PST by Petronski
Larry asked them about it just now on Larry King Live (2-11-2), and they refused to deny it.
Not following Societies publicly accepted norms is hardly the definition of evil. I make a point to say PUBLICLY because the number of married individuals engaging in sexual activities outside there marriage is higher than most will every publicly admit or realize to anywhere from 1/3 to 2/3rds have cheated depending on the study. Open and/or Swinging relationships have been around long before this country, and will be around long after its gone.
As to why marry if you going to have an open relationship sexually? You would have to ask those engaged, but I would bet dollars to dougnuts you will find reasons as broad as the rainbow. My guess would be they for their own reasons have decided to spend their lives together, relationships are far more than sex, at least to anyone with a maturity level above 18.. in fact that's overall one of the lesser qualities that will ensure a long term relationships success.
Now as to exposing the children to such, this is where you really are losing me. Exposing them to what? No one has alleged they engaged in their activities around or in front of their children. (Assuming they even were swingers, which let us not forget is nothing more than a rumor at best at this point) If this couple got their jollies going to clubs and having casual sex with others, I don't have to agree with it, but I don't see how this alone exposed their child to something evil. No more than the couple who goes to the bar every once in a while. I think none of us live adult lives with no adult content that children should not be exposed to... but just because we do things as adults when children are not around does not mean that we expose our children to them simply by the fact we did them... this seems a bit of a stretch to me.
Now, I will be the first to condemn these two if they indeed were bad parents, and if their sexual picadillos put their children at risk, I will definately be all over their butts. However, as of yet there is nothing other than rumor and speculations... Something definately does not smell right with this, but I will wait before I condemn them as bad parents to at least hear something that isn't rumor that shows them being bad parents.
Now that woman in my mind DEFINATELY lacked in parenting skills, she lets a complete stranger just walk away with her kid.. accepting a car ride with someone she doesn't know etc etc etc.... Want to talk about someone who wasn't thinking and put their child at risk, that woman definately did.
We didn't ask to hear about their sexual addictions and depravities but a few individuals choose to constantly flout them on these threads over and over again. Who in their right mind would post things about their spouse on a public forum if they had even a modicum of respect for said spouse ?
And it's not just that -- if you think that swinging is simply a really bad idea for a variety of reasons, you're automatically condemned as repressed and told that you think sex is sinful and called a religious fanatic.
I think this whole thing is also about not thinking and putting their child at risk. Not checking on your children for close to 12 hours straight (assuming the parents' story is true), even after the alarms were tripped and the door was open is DEFINITELY NOT THINKING AND NOW THEIR CHILD IS GONE! I pity them for how they are probably kicking themselves over this. If they love their children (and I'm sure they do) they're going to go through that night over and over and over in their heads and they are going to wish with all their hearts that they had done something differently.
I'll tell you one thing, if they were swingers (and I don't doubt it, seeing as how they won't deny it), I think that their swinging days are now over.
Pray for GW and the Truth
Lack of denial is hardly proof of guilt, Clinton denied having anything to do with Lewinsky. They may be swingers they may not.. either way, I am not going to condemn them as bad parents even if they were. If they did something to put their children at risk, related to being swingers or not, then I will judge those acts as to whether or not they were.
Time will tell with this case, and I pray that this child and all missing children are found safe.
John The Baptist was beheaded for just this reason. They killed Christ who condemned sin. The prophets of the OT days were villified and mocked. They still cannot have anyone tell them that they do wrong. The nature of man has not changed over these many years. They find their "pleasure" in the very things that will kill them.
It is my personal opinion that any man who would let his wife be with another man cares nothing for his wife.
Why bother posting?
Did you not jump to conclusions when passing judgement on the young woman whose baby was stolen from the bus station on Christmas eve? Why are you reserving judgement on these parents when you have no trouble deeming the other one irresponsible.
Did being swingers make them "bad parents"? Who knows? On the surface, they were irresponsible. They were certainly irresponsible on that night. You can call failure to check your kids for 12 hours straight strange, but I call it irresponsible. If they had a good reason for not checking the kids, any reasonable person would have given one, don't you think? And since we're not a judge and jury and they're not on trial for being swingers, I'm not going to apply courtroom levels of evidence to my speculation. Since I'm not a juror and they're not on trial, I'm free to construe their lack of denial of their lifestyle as a confirmation. Any reasonable person would deny it if it weren't true.
As to whether their lifestyle led to their failure to check on their children, that's a different story....
But I want to make it clear that I in no way believe that this whole thing is some sort of divine punishment for their lifestyle, or for being "bad parents". We only know that on that particular night they behaved irresponsibly. I have no idea how they treated their kids every other night.
A) Please show me where I have done that, and
B) Please provide any sort of CONCRETE proof to the idea that their lifestyle contributed to the child's disappearance.
I understand being critical of the lifestyle, I don't understand trying to place blame on the parents based on that fact.
Simply the fact that they may have allowed strangers (I don't buy the strangers theory, from the swingers that I have known in my life, they don't allow strangers into their home) into their house would make anyone who has allowed service techs, movers, painters, wall paper hangers, delivery people, pest control techs, potential home buyers, sales people, etc, etc, etc. into their homes "bad" parents as well.
No I did not, I assumed at first it was a child snatching, only days later did I get a picture of the full story. A story that included a woman who knowingly allowed a complete stranger to take her child and leave her site, who decided to accept a car ride from said stranger with her children etc etc... At that point I decided this was not a moment of misdirected attention, but a series of very poor decisions that lead to this situation. That is when I questioned her ability to be an effective guardian.
Believe me if these people are shown to have engaged in activity that directly led to or endangered their children I will shout from the highest mountain tops that they are bad parents. But I will not subscribe to the mob mentality on this thread that simply because they may have engaged in sexual activities outside of the public norms that that defacto makes them bad parents, have their children taken away and be burned at the stake.
Maybe we better take their other two kids off them right now and call Ned Flanders to perform an emergency baptism on both of them immediately to prevent them from moral rot...
Good parents do not bring strangers home from bars to engage in sex. This is absolutely a negligent behavior. It is absolutely unsafe and absolutely irresponsible. Since a child is missing, this appears to be an excellent lead to investigate.
"Concrete" proof--how about common sense? If you bring home a bunch of barflies you meet during the course of bar-crawling--inviting same barflies for a drug/booze/sex party--what are the chances that among them will be some "undesirables" or at the very least, a lurking carrier of a sexually transmitted disease (if not lice, fleas, and ticks). People who inhabit the "underbelly of society" are more likely to harbor perverts than, let's say, at the church social. True, there might be a perv at the church social, but chances are far, far less.
I'm sure lots of us would be amazed at what we could drag in from some sleazy bar at 2 a.m.--mostly because most of us wouldn't dream of trying such a stupid stunt. Probably the best thing about this is, none of the trash they brought home happened to be axe murderers, at least not for that evening.
Could you kinfly show me where you gathered this information from?
SO many who rush to judgement on all sides...when in reality there is only One who judges.
Nothing of the sort has been reported, or even insinuated. That's my problem with this thread, there have been leaps and bounds in the assumptions about the parents.
A child is missing, that's the story. My problem is that people are starting to forget that, and instead they are focusing on the parent's lifestyle.
I bet you that there are a lot of people out there who truly believe that this is some sort of divine punishment. I bet you that there are also people out there who may have joined the search for Danielle, who now will not.
There is a child missing out there.
It seems likely at this point that it was their next door neighbor,so this doesn't really apply. How many people don't invite their next door neighbors in at one time or another?
It's not just swingers, many single women are good at exposing their kids to whoever also by bringing a trail of men into their children's homes.
It's not just swingers or single women inviting strangers into their houses,it's Norman and Norma Normal inviting in their priest,a child care worker,a trusted neighbor,or even a realtive. The sooner people realize there are no guarantees at all,the sooner they will wake up and start to protect their children from EVERYBODY that comes into contact with them by just starting to pay more attention.
LOL! There are some unkind people who made this claim,but that's not really it. It's related to the army.
So be it. If I can't stand up and pronounce the truth as I see it,I don't much care. Especially if I were to be banned over something as silly as telling somebody they are wrong about something.
I'm not in the middle. The chances are statistically greater for the little girl to have been abducted and/or killed by her parents or a friend or an acquaintance than by a stranger, and if the parents and the people they allowed in their house just happened to be swingers..........
Ok,so spit it out. Are you making the claim that swingers are child-molesting murderers? If this is your point,stand up on your hind feet and state it.
You're too busy overcompensating and exposing your hatred of the religious to think objectively.
No,I'm merely stating what is blindingly obvious to anybody who bothers to look and think.
ROFLMAO! There is no doubt you make the right sounds to be a corrections officer,though. This makes you at least half right.
Matthew 7:1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.
2:1 Unto the angel of the church of Ephesus write; These things saith he that holdeth the seven stars in his right hand, who walketh in the midst of the seven golden candlesticks;
2:2 I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars:
2:3 And hast borne, and hast patience, and for my name's sake hast laboured, and hast not fainted.
Oh, here we go, more "Liberals favorite excerpts from the Bible".......
.....please note the above bolded. Jesus's words, not mine. He is clearly commending them for not tolerating evil, and for calling false teachers to the mat.
Now, go look in the Bible, and see what it says about adultery. (Hint: 'swinging' is covered under this prohibition)........God considers whoring your wife or husband around to be a sin.
You had better come much better prepared next time you start with that libertine nonsense of "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone".......
.......Most of us have actually read the Bible, unfortunately for you.
This advise is a MUCH better fit on you. You are the one ready to convict somebody for murdering a child because you don't approve of their lifestyle.
Yes, we are. We aren't instructed to celebrate it, however.
This is a "logical extension" only to a diseased mind.Most people don't equate adult hetrosexual consensual sex to homosexual child rape. Sorry to hear you think they are the same.
Who do you recommend I call for consueling? Jim Baker? Jesse Jackson? The priest in Baltimore arrested for molesting young boys?
Obviously, in your zeal to defend, whatever it is you are defending, you are willing to throw out proven investigative methods, logic and common sense.
Why do you think Gary Condit was questioned in the disappearance of Chandra Levy? Do you believe that his name was just pulled out a hat?
Using the same age old investigative questions, of who had motive, who had opportunity, who had discrepencies in their stories...Condit stood out like a big roach on a white tile floor.
The original premise here was not that the parents sexual lifestyle caused their child to be kidnapped, but that their sexual practices, most likely contributed to it. Don't know why you do not want to see that.
Oh,BOO HOO! You used the "left" word on me. Tell me,what makes a police state of the right any better than a police state of the left?
You're right. I need help with my "Down with thongs!" movement,and need a BUNCH of hundred dollar bills. Can I count on your help,brother? Should I put you down for a thousand?
What do you expect when you talk like them?
Seriously, just listen to yourselves........you repeat every piece of leftist propaganda ever written about religion......and you think for yourself? Hardly.
Tell me,what makes a police state of the right any better than a police state of the left?
Again, the liberals have told you that's what it's all about, and you swallowed it.
ROFLMAO! HOO,BOY! Ya really gotta watch that Maytag repairman! They even advertise about how lonely HE is!