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Posted on 02/13/2002 7:52:19 AM PST by Askel5

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To: patent
My cheif weapon is irony. Irony and sarcasm. No, wait . . .

I see you got the obscure literary reference.

141 posted on 03/20/2002 11:15:47 AM PST by neocon
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To: Askel5
Your computer weighs in, even?

Well, Brideshead, Cordelia, Sebastian, and Mr. Samgrass were all asleep.

142 posted on 03/20/2002 11:17:23 AM PST by neocon
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To: neocon
The sacred monkeys however were up howling all night at the Askeltorium.
143 posted on 03/20/2002 11:53:22 AM PST by Romulus
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To: Askel5
Ruh Roh, I just received a ping to the list. Sorry we wouldn't have been able to come, but we're going to be in New Orleans from June 9-14 in case y'all set up another one of these soirees!
144 posted on 03/20/2002 12:04:13 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: Romulus
The sacred monkeys ...

No doubt it was raining spiritually, only they were too sinful to see it.

145 posted on 03/20/2002 12:17:44 PM PST by neocon
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To: neocon
I see you got the obscure literary reference.

Obscure literary references are no fair. They should be footnoted.

146 posted on 03/20/2002 1:28:19 PM PST by patented
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To: american colleen
The ConSpiratio site is up but not quite "running" as yet. Soon! =)
147 posted on 03/20/2002 1:29:30 PM PST by Askel5
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To: patented; neocon; romulus; goetz von berlichingen
Obscure literary references are no fair. They should be footnoted.

Seconded!

Your Simpleminded Friend.

148 posted on 03/20/2002 1:31:03 PM PST by Askel5
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To: Askel5
Don't tell me you missed the entire Saturday night discussion of Bridehead Revisited.

I remember it from my first reading 22 years ago as a masterly exhibition of style, a memoir of the sensual pleasures absent from wartime England, and an affirmation that the Faith will survive even the destruction of civilization. Various mysteries about several of the principal characters remained unresolved, at least in my understanding, till quite recently. This past year I re-read the story of Sebastian Flyte, the narrator's lost and mourned best friend.

Sebastian is a beautiful eccentric, noticed and universally loved for his family's captivating charm, which in his case masks a deep but latent holiness. This holiness does not rest easily upon him. Instead, like his father before him, he resists it, fleeing (his family name is "Flyte") into moodiness, alcoholism, and ultimately physical alienation, taking up a demi-monde existence in the company of predators and pathetic hangers-on. His alienation gives him no comfort; indeed it's the cause of great suffering (his first name is "Sebastian", and pin-cushions are a recurring theme in the book). The book explores the various paths followed by Sebastian, his father, and his sister as they return to the Church. The narrator, a popular "society" artist, is an agnostic of lazy and indifferent protestant upbringing. His path to the Faith is through the discovery of genuine beauty, (acquired from his exposure to the Flyte family's extraordinary and intuitive charm), which he learns is far more subtle, complex, and vital than the facile and popular impostures through which his career has flourished.

It's Sebastian himself in whom I'm most interested. Charming, holy, secretive and self-alienating, living a disorderly but increasing Christ-centered life in an exotic city with dubious acquaintances, but suffering all the while.

The book touches on important mysteries. Do yourself a favor and get you a copy.

149 posted on 03/20/2002 1:50:05 PM PST by Romulus
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To: Romulus
"We will not be silent. We are your bad conscience. The White Rose will not leave you in peace!"

Thanks very much for posting that link.

Have you heard of the Franz Jaggerstatter episode? I came across a provoking commentary the other day:

Alan Donagan's critique of Hegel's conception of Sittlichkeit is instructive here. Donagan makes use of the case of Franz Jaggerstatter, noting that the just war doctrine of Catholic moral theology had degenerated in Germany during the Second World War. The terms of this doctrine were clear enough within the tradition of Catholic theology, but they had become a dead letter by the presumption of the community in favour of the claims of the government. Jaggerstatter saw the obvious and would not accept military service. He was hanged. But the local religious authorities assured him that he was wrong; that his duty was to accept military service. And they maintained this judgement even after the war.
Donogan observes:
Is it possible to find in this anything but the depravation of the Sittlichkeit of an ethical community whose members had lost the habit of moral self-criticism?...
Hegel disparaged the point of view of morality on the ground that being is abstractly rational; it could find content for its judgements only in the mores of some actual community. The case of Jaggerstatter reveals an opposite process. The moral theory of Catholic Christianity furnished specific precepts on the subject of legitimate war service, which applied to the case in question on the basis of stated facts which were not questioned. But, by recourse to the mores of their actual community, Jaggerstatter's spiritual advisers were able to evaporate the precepts whose applicability to his case they could not dispute. For, according to these mores, apart from such fanciful possibilities as a war with the declared intention of destroying the Church as an institution, no individual citizen was deemed capable of assuring himself that any war his country proposed to wage was unjust. Herre, what is exposed as empty, as lacking specific content, as allowing any filler5 whatsoever, is not Moralitat but Sittlichkeit.
Donogan is not denying that Jaggerstatter's advisers were part of an intellectual tradition which had the resources for correcting their mistake. His point is that this intellectual tradition had ceased to be a part of the lived mores of their community. Deprived of the judgements of the intellectual tradition, moral criticism became impossible.

-Joseph Boyle, "Natural Law and the Ethics of Traditions" Natural Law Theory: Contemporary Essays ed. Robert P. George


150 posted on 03/20/2002 2:41:16 PM PST by Dumb_Ox
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To: Romulus
Do yourself a favor and get you a copy.

We do have a copy. It's just been shelved indefinitely in favor of certain literary works by noted physician, Dr. Seuss. 3 out of our 5 family members recommend him! We do agree, however, that Brideshead Revisited is a classic.

God bless. And we hope you made it back to work on time on Monday!

151 posted on 03/20/2002 3:50:14 PM PST by patented
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To: Askel5
Thanks! I bookmarked the page - I'll check back on it.
152 posted on 03/20/2002 7:45:34 PM PST by american colleen
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To: Dumb_Ox
In Hitler, The War and the Pope, Ronald J. Rychlak reports that, in response to a letter by the German Bishop Rarkowski, supporting the German war effort on the occasion of the war's first anniversary, Vatican Radio replied that "Hitler's war is not a just war." In general, Pope Pius's wartime statements confined themselves to generalities, in the hopes of avoiding anti-Catholic reprisals and of preserving a perceived impartiality that would enable the Holy See to act as a politically neutral agent for peace. Then as now, it was widely understood that Vatican Radio, though speaking the mind of the Pope, was allowed sufficient latitude and independence of operation to afford the Pope a measure of plausible deniability. Nazi officials frequently complained of pronouncements from both Vatican Radio and the Pope himself, whose formal even-handedness deceived neither side as to papal sympathies.
153 posted on 03/20/2002 8:17:47 PM PST by Romulus
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To: patented
And we hope you made it back to work on time on Monday!

Well...nobody complained. 8-)

154 posted on 03/20/2002 8:19:30 PM PST by Romulus
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