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They Will Deport Themselves
February 16th, 2002 | Sabertooth

Posted on 02/16/2002 8:28:04 AM PST by Sabertooth

They Will
Deport Themselves

A border patrol officer frisks a Mexican illegal immigrant intercepted at night
in the desert near Naco, Arizona, while his companions look on in the background.


Every time an illegal alien sets foot in America he or she is a knowing burglar, breaking and entering across our borders, violating our laws. They are also squatters, attempting to colonize our land and our nation. Every moment of their presence in our country is an ongoing criminal act.

It is also illegal for a them to work here, so every cent these alien invaders take is done so illegally… as is ever dollar of unearned subsides they're able to defraud from American taxpayers.

Thus, all of the proceeds of the illegals' inhabitation of the United States are the ill-gotten gains of an ongoing criminal enterprise.

As such, they ought to be treated like the proceeds of any other criminal enterprise, from fraud to theft to drug dealing to racketeering…

The assets of illegal aliens should be subject to total forfeiture.

They are criminals, there is no moral reason why not. Therefore, a solution to much of our nation's problems with these international burglars resolves into focus…


Amnesty for illegal aliens was tried in 1986, with a bipartisan bill that was signed into law by President Reagan. 2.7 million illegals were able to get green cards in a one-time only program. That amnesty would only happen once was an integral part of the bargain the federal government struck with the American people, who have always opposed illegal immigration by large margins. The other part of the bargain was a promise of effective law enforcement against future illegals.

The craven betrayal of this promise to the American people is bipartisan. Presidents Reagan, Bush the Elder, and Clinton all ignored the problem of illegals, as did both parties in Congress with the lone exception of the Republicans in 1996. Key to this failure has been the unwillingness of the federal government to deport illegals, as the law provides, in large numbers from the interior of our country.

Without deportation, there will be no solution to illegal immigration.

Now that the cancer of illegals has metastasized to 12 million and growing, many of these same politicians suggest that the solution to their malfeasance of duty is some new form of amnesty… "Nevermind the earlier deal with the American people, the problem is now too big for our laws to solve, we must Surrender."

Their condescending gall is like that of death row lawyers who run out of appeals, and then suggest that execution after 15 years is cruel and unusual punishment. Any unpleasantness resulting from the delay is entirely the onus of our elected officials to bear. The American people never wanted their laws not to be enforced.

Even the current White House of President George W. Bush is sending such signals with their periodic trial balloons about "normalizing undocumented workers" and "making their work legal."

This is as much as saying…

"Because we broke our promise to enforce the law against illegal aliens, we have no choice to break our promise that amnesty would happen only once."

Bunk.


We are told incessantly by these same spineless, duplicitous politicians from both parties how the problem of illegal immigration is intractable… Much as many of those same cowards once described the problem of terrorism. Winning changes things, doesn't it?

It's time to fight and win the battle against the illegal invaders, all 12 million-plus of them. We don't need to round them all up; we simply enact the appropriate and fully Constitutional legislation, and serve the aliens notice:

"Be gone in 90 days. If you aren't, all of the proceeds of your criminal presence in the United States will be subject to total asset forfeiture."

This will be the disincentive to their ongoing invasion.

On this printout of intercepted illegals, one immigrant has left a message
for the border patrol. In this game of cat and mouse,
people are repeatedly caught and returned to Mexico.

Some will leave, and some won't. After 90 days, we round up a few hundred thousand of them. That should be enough time to hire the manpower to process the invaders. Then we take all they own within our borders, recycle it into INS coffers, and send them swiftly back to their own countries, whether China, Mexico, Ireland, or wherever, with no profit for their illegal efforts.

The other 12 million illegals will take heed. Step aside, and watch the stampede.

It will only get easier… if only we start.



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If there were national referendums, this would win in a landslide.



1 posted on 02/16/2002 8:28:04 AM PST by Sabertooth
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To: CheneyChick; vikingchick; Victoria Delsoul; WIMom; one_particular_harbour; kmiller1k; Snow Bunny...
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2 posted on 02/16/2002 8:29:09 AM PST by Sabertooth
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To: Sabertooth
Start first with the 300,000 that have been ordered deported but the lamers at INS haven't many clues where they are.
3 posted on 02/16/2002 8:32:55 AM PST by dennisw
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To: Sabertooth
BUMP. Did you write this?
4 posted on 02/16/2002 8:33:13 AM PST by Helix
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To: dennisw
All they have to do is look at the few remaining industrial employers in America. I can even give them a couple of places to start. One man supposedly changed his Social Security number 4 times while working for Anvil Knitwear in Swannanoa (outside Asheville) NC. Sounds suspicious to me. Another one which used to employ many immigrants is Collins and Aikman in Old Fort, NC. I can't prove they have hired illegal immigrants. However, businesses which hire a large number of immigrants would seem to be logical places to look.
5 posted on 02/16/2002 8:40:45 AM PST by Helix
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To: dennisw
Start first with the 300,000 that have been ordered deported but the lamers at INS haven't many clues where they are.

What use is the War on Terror if we Surrender on Soveriegnty?




6 posted on 02/16/2002 8:46:04 AM PST by Sabertooth
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To: Sabertooth
Rather silly arguement with respect to asset forfiture by illegals, the assets that need to be forfeited are those of our fellow Americans who HIRE illegals.

Remove the cause of illegal immigration by destroying the culture of hiring illegals and they will export themselves.

7 posted on 02/16/2002 8:48:04 AM PST by ijcr
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To: dennisw
I have a family member border patrol agent

There are new rules in So. Cal...they may not go "looking " for the illegals..they sit and "wait " at check points for the illegals to come to them..they also can not persue more than a mile (I believe that is the distance ..if they happen to see them). Our " border patrol " is a joke..it is fashioned as an open border policy by this administration .(We are simply paying salaries for agents that have their hands tied behind their backs..)It is a game .

8 posted on 02/16/2002 8:48:49 AM PST by RnMomof7
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To: ijcr
Good point. How about we seize the assets of BOTH the employers and the illegals? I can't think of anything else that would do as much to reduce illegal immigration.
9 posted on 02/16/2002 8:52:36 AM PST by Billy_bob_bob
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To: ijcr
Rather silly arguement with respect to asset forfiture by illegals, the assets that need to be forfeited are those of our fellow Americans who HIRE illegals.

Remove the cause of illegal immigration by destroying the culture of hiring illegals and they will export themselves.

I would enforce the current laws against employers who hire illegals with extreme prejudice. But we need to attack both sides of the invasion equation... The illegals need to be treated as such.

What's silly about that?




10 posted on 02/16/2002 8:52:55 AM PST by Sabertooth
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To: Billy_bob_bob
How about we seize the assets of BOTH the employers and the illegals?

The premise on which I'm advocating asset forfeiture for illegals is that we can define all of their assets as being illegal proceeds. I'm for strict enforcement against rogue employers, but can we apply the same "criminal enterprise" premise to them?




11 posted on 02/16/2002 8:55:59 AM PST by Sabertooth
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To: RnMomof7
Our " border patrol " is a joke..it is fashioned as an open border policy by this administration .

Suggestion for new Republican slogan:

The Rule of Law
The GOP Pretends Louder



12 posted on 02/16/2002 8:59:47 AM PST by Sabertooth
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To: Sabertooth
What would you do about the fact that this would shut down the construction industry, highway repair, and agriculture, as well as hotels and restaurants all over the country?
13 posted on 02/16/2002 8:59:57 AM PST by Dog Gone
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To: Sabertooth
Well, let us consider the case where you get caught with one pot plant growing on your property. The government will seize your home, your bank accounts, your cars, your furniture and everything else that you own. Then, without money, you get to go and hire a lawyer and prove to the government that you didn't get all of your possessions by selling drugs.

Now, since our government sees fit to treat us peons like this over something as minor as a single pot plant, don't you think it is appropriate for the government to use this tactic against employers who hire illegals? Aren't they choosing to be making their money in a criminal enterprise by hiring illegals? Sounds to me like these employers just might be in violation of RICO statutes.

14 posted on 02/16/2002 9:01:40 AM PST by Billy_bob_bob
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To: Dog Gone
What would you do about the fact that this would shut down the construction industry, highway repair, and agriculture, as well as hotels and restaurants all over the country?

Rub my hands and cackle as the welfare rolls shrank.

Once they're empty, we can make up for any shortfalls by adjusting legal immigration.




15 posted on 02/16/2002 9:02:44 AM PST by Sabertooth
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To: Sabertooth
"The rule of Law: The GOP pretends harder!"

Oh man, don't ever forget the old adage "truth purchases hatred". The Bushies are going to flaming you but good now. Hope you brought your asbestos undies!

16 posted on 02/16/2002 9:03:15 AM PST by Billy_bob_bob
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To: Billy_bob_bob
Now, since our government sees fit to treat us peons like this over something as minor as a single pot plant, don't you think it is appropriate for the government to use this tactic against employers who hire illegals?

Your analogy is appropriate, but I feel much of the government's seizure policies in the drug war are excessive and wrong, so I'd be disinclined to pursue that principle against the employers of illegals... at least as a matter of general policy.

However, more finely-tuned asset forfeiture policies both against egregious illegal employers and drug kingpins would be welcome improvements.




17 posted on 02/16/2002 9:10:15 AM PST by Sabertooth
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To: Sabertooth
I'll settle for aggressive implementation of the RICO laws against these employers.
18 posted on 02/16/2002 9:14:30 AM PST by Billy_bob_bob
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To: Billy_bob_bob
The Bushies are going to flaming you but good now.

You talking about the "Protest too much" Brigade?

Funny what reflexes a touched nerve will jerk.




19 posted on 02/16/2002 9:14:45 AM PST by Sabertooth
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To: Helix
Thanks for the bump... yeah, I wrote it.



20 posted on 02/16/2002 9:16:18 AM PST by Sabertooth
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To: Sabertooth
We do need to end the practice of anchor babies. The INS should start at the housing projects in the SW and many other places where they'll find many many people (100% of many projects) not speaking a word of English. They aren't teaching their children anything about the US including the language ----they could deport the population of entire large housing projects because many of these people have not assimilated at all into America.

I'm moderate on this issue though because with those few cases where the family is speaking English and has obeyed every other law including our laws on auto insurance, never used a social handout service, and the kids are comfortable in American society but would be aliens in Mexico, I'm for letting them stay.

21 posted on 02/16/2002 9:18:10 AM PST by FITZ
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To: Sabertooth
Excellent post Sabertooth. Yep, the reason why illegal immigration has spun out of control is due to our spineless, duplicitous politicians that have broken one promise after another. In keeping with their past record they now throw up their hands say, "the problem is too big to fix" and push for Amnesty. NOT THIS TIME!
22 posted on 02/16/2002 9:20:08 AM PST by WRhine
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To: Sabertooth



View From Lodi, CA: How Miguel Got His Papers


By Joe Guzzardi

My former student “Miguel” returned to the classroom last week. He had more good news to share.

Regular readers will recall that “Miguel” recently has moved on to bigger and much better things. He landed a $22 an hour construction job with full benefits. The only problem is that Miguel is an illegal alien. By working his construction job, Miguel is keeping an American or a legal immigrant unemployed.

Many inquired how it was possible for Miguel land such a good job without proper documentation. The sad answer is that Miguel has all his papers. They’re phony, of course, but they’re good enough to get him hired.

Miguel isn’t going to need his bogus documents too much longer. “All my paper work is in order,” he told me.

As Miguel spoke, my mind ticked off the possible ways he might qualify for a green card. But I drew a blank. Miguel wasn’t part of an amnesty, he hasn’t married and he has no visa. Finally, I asked him how that was possible.

The answer: $2,500 up front to an Immigration and Naturalization Services employee in Los Angeles with $2,500 to follow when the deal is done.

I have a Salvadoran student who is a very enterprising fellow, too. “Raul” asked me to write a letter on school stationery stating that he has been in the U.S. long enough to qualify for Temporary Protected Status. 

Under T.P.S., Salvadorans who have been in the U.S. since February 13, 2001, the date of the second of two devastating earthquakes in El Salvador, can apply for work permits. 

When I told Raul that the I.N.S. could determine his U.S. arrival date by checking school records, he wasn’t discouraged. The Roman Catholic Church, Raul informed me, had given him a letter. And Raul was certain he could get a second letter from his fast-food employer. 

Adding to Raul’s confidence is his sort-of engagement to an American citizen. My guess is that if Raul’s letters come through, the girl is gone. If not, Raul walks down the aisle. Either way, Raul stays.

For those in the U.S. illegally, a cornucopia of choices exist for getting bogus documentation. Whatever your budget, the right set of fake documents is just around the corner. The leaders of the multibillion-dollar fake document industry aim to please.

If you have cash and connections you can purchase stolen, forged, blank or counterfeit passports. “Breeder documents” such as driver’s licenses and social security cards are just as easy to get. Over time, the starter set will allow illegals to apply for legitimate papers.

A top quality U.S. passport that will fool anyone costs $25,000. Even though Justice Department officials insist that it is increasingly difficult to alter passports, not everyone agrees.

According to John Torpey, a University of British Columbia professor and author of “The Invention of the Passport: Surveillance, Citizenship and the State,” it is a neck and neck race between those who produce the document for the governments and those who produce them fraudulently.”

For those on the low end of the economic spectrum, $100 is just fine, thank you.

In Sacramento last week, 54 Mexican illegal aliens were arrested for selling fraudulent social security cards at prices ranging from $70 to $100. A wide selection of drugs and weapons were also available.

Corrupt officials--like the one that helped Miguel--can speed things along. In Tennessee Katherine Smith, a driver’s license examiner, was arrested for allowing five illegal Middle Easterners to obtain their licenses even though they did not take a driving test.

The five weren’t even Tennessee residents. Proving that no obstacle is too great, they had driven from New York to Tennessee - a state infamous for granting licenses to illegals.

In a bizarre twist, Smith was found dead on February 12 in rural Memphis after her car apparently ran off the highway and crashed into a light pole. She had been scheduled to appear in court the next day.

The odd timing of Smith’s fatality and the unusually intense fire inside the car triggered an FBI investigation. Some suspect connections between the five defendants and the September 11th attacks.

Said FBI spokesman George Bolds, “if there were individuals involved with her [in the driver’s license scheme] who were concerned about their participation being known as a result of her prosecution, they might have a motive to do her harm.”

The only way to end the sham of fake documents and corrupt officials is to seal our borders and tighten procedures at overseas consulate offices. Once illegal aliens set foot inside the country, it's game, set and match in their favor. Illegal aliens go underground to purchase the false IDs needed to blend into the mainstream – assuming the federal government doesn’t dream up some accommodating program like amnesty or temporary protected status. 

Keeping illegal immigrants out of the country should be our number one priority.


23 posted on 02/16/2002 9:20:54 AM PST by dennisw
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To: FITZ
I'm moderate on this issue though because with those few cases where the family is speaking English and has obeyed every other law including our laws on auto insurance, never used a social handout service, and the kids are comfortable in American society but would be aliens in Mexico, I'm for letting them stay.

Would they have to admit to their crime, and have it go on their record? What would be their restitution? If we had a program like this, how much should it cost them?

$25,000?

Should they be permanently disqualified from citizenship, voting, and unearned subsidies out of taxpayer pockets?




24 posted on 02/16/2002 9:22:38 AM PST by Sabertooth
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To: WRhine; Reaganwuzthebest;
In keeping with their past record they now throw up their hands say, "the problem is too big to fix" and push for Amnesty. NOT THIS TIME!


And not with my vote.




25 posted on 02/16/2002 9:29:28 AM PST by Sabertooth
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To: Sabertooth
Thanks for the bump... yeah, I wrote it.

You're welcome. It's an interesting idea. Why don't you send it to the editorial sections of WorldNetDaily and others? Heck, I'd even try sending it to your Congressman and Senator.

26 posted on 02/16/2002 9:29:33 AM PST by Helix
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To: Sabertooth
How about treating them as invaders and shooting them!
27 posted on 02/16/2002 9:29:49 AM PST by PatrioticAmerican
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To: PatrioticAmerican
How about treating them as invaders and shooting them!

A little messy... though the illegals who break into private property and ranches as they cross the border are far too coddled.

Really, I just want the illegals out of America with the most cost-effective means possible. Asset forfeiture would be pretty much self-funding.




28 posted on 02/16/2002 9:34:16 AM PST by Sabertooth
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To: Helix
I'd even try sending it to your Congressman and Senator.

My Senators are Feinstein and Boxer, and my Congressman is Clinton shill and former professional tax collector, Brad Sherman.

They've already crawled under the fence.




29 posted on 02/16/2002 9:36:38 AM PST by Sabertooth
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To: Sabertooth
Your reasoning and ethical thought here is good, but it seems to me that only those illegals with accumulated assets here would be motivated to cash out and go. Those that send everything home they earn and live on the fringes and entitlements would stay. Only about 20 years on an unpaid prison work gang, 365 a year, would get their attention, and they would have to know of some illegal currently serving to believe it. Highly unlikely to happen.
30 posted on 02/16/2002 9:38:45 AM PST by Navy Patriot
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To: Sabertooth
I was only kidding, but we should definately treat them as the criminals they are. Another great strategy would be to enforce the employer laws. How many employers of a Burger King would even contemplate hiring an illegal if their franchise was taken if so much as one illegal was found working there?
31 posted on 02/16/2002 9:44:45 AM PST by PatrioticAmerican
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To: Navy Patriot
...it seems to me that only those illegals with accumulated assets here would be motivated to cash out and go. Those that send everything home they earn and live on the fringes and entitlements would stay.

To some extent this is true... not all 12 million would deport themselves.

But asset forfeiture would definitely make a smaller haystack, and provide less incentive for newcomers. Also, guest worker programs would become far more attractive.

And the INS would have a profit motive to enforce the law, though it's sad that's necessary.




32 posted on 02/16/2002 9:45:02 AM PST by Sabertooth
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To: Dog Gone
What would you do about the fact that this would shut down the construction industry, highway repair, and agriculture, as well as hotels and restaurants all over the country?

How did these industries ever survive before the invasion of illegal immigrants from Mexico? Boo Hoo. How terrible that they will have to employ American citizens and legal residents at substantially higher wages. Will there be temporary shortages of labor? You bet there will be but that is the road that these enterprises went down when they chose, against the laws of this country, it hire illegal aliens. I have NO sympathy for them at all.

And perhaps you should be thinking a few steps ahead on the Trojan Horse of illegal immigration. At some point these illegals will become quasi-citizens (many already are) and their children will be citizens. What sort of wages do you think this illegal bunch from Mexico will be demanding for their labor then? Is your solution then to keep importing tens of millions of Mexicans to keep the train of illegal labor going? Or do we start importing illegal labor from China? Where does our immigration free for all end?

33 posted on 02/16/2002 9:47:22 AM PST by WRhine
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To: WRhine
I think we ought to create a formal guest worker program that allows these workers into the country for specified period of time, requires them to pay taxes, and then sends them home.

That's far preferable than causing an immediate economic depression which is what is being advocated on this thread.

34 posted on 02/16/2002 9:54:21 AM PST by Dog Gone
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To: Dog Gone
If I have to pick between two bad choices, I'll take an economic depression over a second civil war, which is where this immivasion is leading to.
35 posted on 02/16/2002 10:03:32 AM PST by Billy_bob_bob
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To: Dog Gone
I think we ought to create a formal guest worker program that allows these workers into the country for specified period of time, requires them to pay taxes, and then sends them home.

We have one now. It needs to be better utilized and and enforced, and perhaps expanded.

But as long as incentives for illegal immigration persist, the guest worker program is a joke.

That's far preferable than causing an immediate economic depression which is what is being advocated on this thread.

Hardly. The 90 day figure was arbitrary. We can make it 6 months, if we have reason to believe that's necessary. Our economy won't dry up without illegals.

You're also ignoring the benefits of eliminating the cost of the colonistas... many government budgets could be balanced if we remove the illegals or they remove themselves. Schools and prison overcrowding would be substantially mitigated.

Don't be so alarmist and inclined to Surrender.




36 posted on 02/16/2002 10:09:52 AM PST by Sabertooth
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To: Sabertooth
And the INS would have a profit motive to enforce the law, though it's sad that's necessary.

Actually, the way you want to use this appeals to me. As your statement is accurate, paying assets siezed as commissions to the INS and Border Patrol agents directly would motivate them to enforce the law regardless of the recalcitrance of their superiors. You've got something here.

ijcr and others suggestions about employers have merit also, but your point about existing law is the place to start to sort out who is a "knowing" illegal employer.

I enjoy reading your opinions, go ahead and submit some to likely venues, I think you will be pleasntly surprised.

37 posted on 02/16/2002 10:11:38 AM PST by Navy Patriot
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To: Billy_bob_bob; Dog Gone
I'll take an economic depression over a second civil war, which is where this immivasion is leading to.

Bingo... Look at Lebanon and Kosovo and Palestine...

Illegal immigrants and/or their descendents are primary causes of those bloodbaths.




38 posted on 02/16/2002 10:13:18 AM PST by Sabertooth
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To: Dog Gone
I think we ought to create a formal guest worker program that allows these workers into the country for specified period of time, requires them to pay taxes, and then sends them home.

A Guest Worker program is just another name for Amnesty. The illegals know how to game our system very well with phony documents, payoffs and anchor babies. Bush knows the game too, which is why Amnesty will be called Guest Worker to make it sound less of an affront to Americans than it is. Also, why would you think for one second that our government would suddenly get discipline in the system when it has not evidenced a shred of discipline on immigration? EVER! You don't think the media would be running countless sob stories of guest workers forced to go home after their time is up?

That's far preferable than causing an immediate economic depression which is what is being advocated on this thread.

In recessions the hallmark of insanity is to import more illegal labor into the system. Many Americans are already experiencing a depression because of illegal immigration and there are quite a few white-collar people in the same situation with the gross excesses of H1-B visas. It is time for the business sector to get a dose of their own medicine. Again, I have no sympathy for those that chose to break our laws and hire illegal labor.

39 posted on 02/16/2002 10:22:31 AM PST by WRhine
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To: Navy Patriot
...paying assets siezed as commissions to the INS and Border Patrol agents directly would motivate them to enforce the law regardless of the recalcitrance of their superiors.

Actually, my proposal was more institutional... But your idea of some sort of bounty on illegals is worth further consideration. Especially since the illegals would be paying it themselves.

One problem would be to build in safeguards against overzealous agents.




40 posted on 02/16/2002 10:25:09 AM PST by Sabertooth
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To: Sabertooth; Snow Bunny; Alamo-Girl; Republican Wildcat; Howlin; Fred Mertz; onyx; SusanUSA...
They Will Deport Themselves
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41 posted on 02/16/2002 10:29:42 AM PST by MeekOneGOP
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To: WRhine
A Guest Worker program is just another name for Amnesty. The illegals know how to game our system very well with phony documents, payoffs and anchor babies.

It doesn't have to be... and we have Guest Worker programs now.

I don't have any problems with Guest Workers or legal immigrants who play by the rules and pay their own way. I think the threat of asset forfeiture would be a huge disincentive to those who would game our system.

Throw on 5 to 10 years for documentation violations, with permanent sanctions... How's that?




42 posted on 02/16/2002 10:30:47 AM PST by Sabertooth
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To: Billy_bob_bob
I'm not much of a libertarian, but every time I see the term "RICO" I get a shudder down my spine. I'd actually prefer for that big ole nasty weapon to rust away in the toolshed. Makes the guillotine look like a hair trimmer.
43 posted on 02/16/2002 10:40:34 AM PST by stands2reason
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To: Sabertooth
Brilliant idea, bump.
44 posted on 02/16/2002 10:41:53 AM PST by Nea Wood
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To: Sabertooth
Actually, my proposal was more institutional

I saw that, and I couldn't help myself, I tweaked it a bit. I agree that overzealous abuse is probably certain in the long run, and a mechanism would be needed to deal with it. More immediate is my belief that a great many INS and Border Patrol line agents are NOT corrupt and want to do a good job and obey the Constitution while enforcing the law with vigor, but they are hobbled by politically motivated superiors. A bounty situation might get this moving.

It is interesting to note that RICO statutes contain effectively a court approved bounty for civillians to collect, as does much enviromental legislation.

45 posted on 02/16/2002 10:55:10 AM PST by Navy Patriot
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To: Billy_bob_bob
If I have to pick between two bad choices, I'll take an economic depression over a second civil war, which is where this immivasion is leading to.

Absolutely right. Besides, no matter what shape the economy is in we will always hear this same argument from the open border crowd. If we someday find ourselves in a civil war to reclaim lost territories to a Greater Mexico the resulting strife, hardship and economic losses will make the great depression of the 30s look like a picnic; to say nothing of the many thousands of Americans that would be killed when we try to take back what we foolishly gave away.

And at what point do we Americans start thinking about the sort of America we will be leaving for our kids and future generations? We had the Great Generation of WWII that won the war and put America on top of the world. What will Our Generation be known for? The generation that p*ssed all this away for cheap labor and one-way trade deals?

46 posted on 02/16/2002 10:57:42 AM PST by WRhine
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To: Sabertooth
It doesn't have to be... and we have Guest Worker programs now.

And they have never worked as intended. Too many gamers in the system that find ways to circumvent our immigration laws. If the anchor baby laws were nullified, I'd probably give this idea more consideration but I don't see this ever happening.

47 posted on 02/16/2002 11:03:48 AM PST by WRhine
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To: WRhine
I'd be willing to give ground on Guest Workers, even without the elimination of the anchor babies for now, if it would get us to asset forfeiture and deportation.

Since the system gamers and anchor babies are already here, this would be a net win, big-time, against the illegals.



48 posted on 02/16/2002 11:08:28 AM PST by Sabertooth
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You know, of course, that these people have papers. And, unfortunately, restaurant managers aren't expert forgery detectors. They may be good, but they're not experts. And I believe the law doesn't have the expectation that they be so. Also, the managers can be accused of discrimination if they try to avoid hiring "documented" immigrants. So how'd you like to be the prosecutor on that case?
49 posted on 02/16/2002 11:11:04 AM PST by stands2reason
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To: Sabertooth
This is a great idea. They continue to violate our laws because the payoff is too good. Assets should be confiscated from illegals, its the only way to provide a strong incentive not to spit on our country by violating our laws. Why should Mexicans get to come here illegally when other honest people wait in line, learn the language, history and become a citizen the legal way. The fact that their criminal and hateful conduct is not only tolerated but rewarded sickens me.
50 posted on 02/16/2002 11:17:30 AM PST by Godel
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