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WHO CARES WHAT EUROPEANS THINK?
Jewish World Review ^ | 3/4/02 | Charles Krauthammer

Posted on 03/04/2002 3:37:27 AM PST by Elkiejg

THE "axis of evil" caused a sensation around the world because it established a new American foreign policy based on three distinctive principles: morality, preemption and unilateralism.

Our sophisticated European cousins are aghast. The French led the way, denouncing American simplisme. They deem it a breach of manners to call evil by its name. They prefer accommodating to it. They have lots of practice, famously accommodating Nazi Germany in 1940, less famously striking the Gaullist pose of triangulating between the evil empire and primitive Yanks during the Cold War.

The Europeans are not too happy with preemption either. Preemption is the most extreme form of activity, of energy, in foreign policy -- anathema to a superannuated continent entirely self-absorbed in its own internal integration. (Hence the paralysis even in the face of fire in its own Balkan backyard.) The Europeans hate preemption all the more because it means America acting on its own. And it is our unilateralism above all that sticks in their craw.

Tough luck. A policy of waiting to be attacked with nuclear (and other genocidal) weapons is suicidal. Moreover, self-defense is the self-evident justification for unilateralism. When under attack, no country is obligated to collect permission slips from allies to strike back. And there is no clearer case of a war of self-defense than America's war on terrorists and allied states for whom "death to America" is not just a slogan but a policy.

I was a unilateralist before it became unfashionable. Long before the axis of evil, long before the Afghan war, long before Sept. 11, I argued that the multilateralism of the Clinton years inevitably produced lowest-common-denominator foreign policy -- diluted, ineffective, as feckless as the pinprick cruise missile strikes Clinton liked to launch as an ostentatious pretense of assertiveness.

When the Bush administration came to power advertising its willingness to go it alone when necessary, the Democrats were apoplectic. Early last year, for example, when Bush made it clear he would be junking the ABM Treaty, Sen. Carl Levin, now chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee and thus a man who should know about these things, declared: "I have great concerns about [such] a unilateral decision . . . because I believe that it could risk a second Cold War."

Wrong. Totally wrong. In fact, when Bush did abrogate the ABM Treaty, the Russian response was almost inaudible. Those who'd been bloviating about the diplomatic dangers of such a unilateral decision noted quizzically the lack of reaction. Up in arms over the axis of evil -- "it will take years before we can repair the damage done by that statement," said former president Jimmy Carter -- they are warning once again about how the world will rise against us. Wrong again.

Our enemies have already turned against us. Our allies will not. Europe knows that in the end, its security depends on our strength and our protection. Europeans are the ultimate free-riders on American power. We maintain the stability of international commerce, the freedom of the seas, the flow of oil, regional balances of power (in the Pacific Rim, South Asia, the Middle East) and, ultimately, we provide protection against potentially rising hostile superpowers.

The Europeans sit and pout. What else can they do? The ostensible complaint is American primitivism. The real problem is their irrelevance.

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Absolutely BILLIANT!!
1 posted on 03/04/2002 3:37:27 AM PST by Elkiejg (elkiejg@aol.com)
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To: Elkiejg
Puh-leez.

Z-grade xenophobic propaganda, designed to whip up any crowd of morons silly enough to believe it. Hey Krauthammer, have you tried out for The Jerry Springer Show yet?

"Jer-RY!"

"Jer-RY!"

2 posted on 03/04/2002 4:02:48 AM PST by Byron_the_Aussie
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To: Elkiejg
"They deem it a breach of manners to call evil by its name. They prefer accommodating to it. They have lots of practice..."

Ouch!

3 posted on 03/04/2002 4:10:23 AM PST by billorites
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To: Elkiejg
"Absolutely BILLIANT!!"

Thanks for posting this - had read it and did not have time to 'share' it. Krauthammer is not afraid to step to the plate and call it like it is. . .and he does so with such astute analysis. . .

A 'brilliant bump'. . .

4 posted on 03/04/2002 4:11:41 AM PST by cricket
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To: Byron_the_Aussie
"Jer-RY!" ; Jer-RY!"

You ARE kidding right?

. . .or perhaps you just have 'been there' a little too often. . .

5 posted on 03/04/2002 4:14:38 AM PST by cricket
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To: Byron_the_Aussie
Well, we saw what happened when we let them run the world. Do World War I and World War II ring a bell?

There are times when a nation--any nation--has to act in its own best interests. There have been times I thought the U.S. was wrong, for the same reason: our foreign policy mandarins trying to push other nations into doing things which are wrong for them. It's wrong when our State Dept does it, and it's wrong when their Foreign Ministries do it, too.

6 posted on 03/04/2002 4:24:41 AM PST by alpowolf
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To: cricket
...Krauthammer is not afraid to step to the plate and call it like it is...

Not afraid to play on any prejudice for a headline, is more like it.

7 posted on 03/04/2002 4:32:11 AM PST by Byron_the_Aussie
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To: Byron_the_Aussie
We will try not to imagine that Australia has degenerated to the point where you might be representative. When these looney tunes have already killed several thousands of our people in New York and at the Pentagon, few of us are of a mood to listen to knuckle-draggers posing as "advanced thinkers" who think that the anti-war fervor and antics of their mis-spent youth is still de riguer.

Whether you are here or in Australia or wherever, you are cordially invited to Eastern Afghanistan to be a recipient of the latest rolling thunder of our magnificent museum piece B-52's. Still doing freedom's work after all these years!

One major point of Krauthammer's piece is that we do not need Europe's opinion. How on earth can that be wrong? We started making a serious mistake in Europe in World War II when we submitted to the silly notion of war by committee. Our first cold war resulted from the fact that we did not take Patton's suggestion and finish off the Soviets while we had the military power in place to do it. We do a lot better when we decide for ourselves.

8 posted on 03/04/2002 4:32:18 AM PST by BlackElk
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To: Elkiejg
American primitivism. I do not think that is the problem. It is clean talk vs. French purfumed talk that still cannot hide the stench of French fascism and Nazi/terrorist collaboration.
9 posted on 03/04/2002 4:35:02 AM PST by lavaroise
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To: alpowolf
..well, we saw what happened when we let them run the world. Do World War I and World War II ring a bell?...

You bet they do. But can you hear it ringing?

Larry Suid: The Japanese had invaded Manchuria in 1931, and we had protested. They started to be successful in China, and negotiations did not stop the advance. Ultimately, President Roosevelt embargoed the oil and iron. That left the Japanese feeling very threatened. They figured that by attacking, we would not have the backbone to respond and would instead negotiate and remove the embargo.

http://www.cnn.com/COMMUNITY/transcripts/2001/05/25/suid/

10 posted on 03/04/2002 4:38:11 AM PST by Byron_the_Aussie
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To: Byron_the_Aussie
You are pretty good at dishing out the insults, but not one line yet of substantive criticism. Whatever prejudice can this be to which you refer? It is not prejudice to note that the spineless, sniveling, whining, socialism-loving leaders of Europe's Third Way Left, abhorring the death penalty, agonizing for months over any military response, nervous nellying over the fact that the US wants to respond militarily rather than joining a debating society are worthless.

Since these nations regard capital punishment as barbaric, I take it that, if American troops witness European troops about to capture Osama bin Laden and thus take him out of danger of execution, they will understand when we shoot their troops to take Osama into custody, won't they? What do you think?

11 posted on 03/04/2002 4:40:31 AM PST by BlackElk
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To: Byron_the_Aussie
If you are really Australian, I can't take your comments too seriously since your country was dumb enough to pay Clinton 3 million dollars for 1 speech (full of lies and self promotion).
12 posted on 03/04/2002 4:41:45 AM PST by Elkiejg
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To: Elkiejg
We will worry about what the Europeans' think when each of their beloved homelands have been hit by commercial airliners, loaded with innocents, driven into their memorials, skyscapers, cities, countryside, defense buildings, etc. Nothing like experience to sharpen the knife. And nothing like inexperience when it comes to casting misguided and irrelevant judgements.
13 posted on 03/04/2002 4:45:31 AM PST by Republic
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To: BlackElk
Elk, Krauthammer is a propagandist doing his part to keep the American public in a constant state of fear and rage ahead of the planned attack on Iraq. This piece is typical of a rash of 'everyone else is too weak so we'll go it alone!' pieces that have been planted in the media over the last couple of weeks. I don't think it's a good idea for the US to become internationally isolated over a country so irrelevant as Iraq.
14 posted on 03/04/2002 4:46:54 AM PST by Byron_the_Aussie
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To: Elkiejg
I can't take your comments too seriously since your country was dumb enough to pay Clinton 3 million dollars for 1 speech (full of lies and self promotion).

By extension of your sound point, does that say about the quality of collective intellect of our nation, which elected him twice as President?

;o)
15 posted on 03/04/2002 4:47:17 AM PST by wheezer
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To: BlackElk
..what do you think?...

I think everyone ought to calm down and weigh this Axis attack plan with a cool head. There has been no link shown between 911 and any of the 'Axis' countries. None. So what are the planned attacks intended to achieve? Do the risks, which (IMHO) in the case of North Korea may well lead to a very difficult confrontation with China, outweigh the positives? I don't want to offend any of my (fast-disappearing!) Freeper friends, but what I really believe is that the escape of Bin Laden means that there's been no closure of 911 for America, and its people and leaders are in the mood to lash out.

16 posted on 03/04/2002 4:54:02 AM PST by Byron_the_Aussie
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To: wheezer
Too-shay, my man....

It's Time to Part Company

17 posted on 03/04/2002 4:59:26 AM PST by B.O. Plenty
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To: Byron_the_Aussie
There has been no link shown between 911 and any of the 'Axis' countries.

Actually of the three...the most likely one with linkage would be Iran.
18 posted on 03/04/2002 5:03:11 AM PST by wheezer
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To: Byron_the_Aussie
Krauthammer is right on the money. What's your specific beef with what he said?
19 posted on 03/04/2002 5:15:21 AM PST by rdb3
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To: Byron_the_Aussie
"Not afraid to play on any prejudice for a headline, is more like it. . ."

. . .guess my second point re your comment was closer to the truth - you have been there!

Krauthammer writes a brilliant analysis and like any good Liberal you respond throwing out the 'feeling' words (ie 'codewords')that Libs love - good words but made 'z-grade' because Libs use them 'thought-LESS-ly. . .hoping they will get the job done without the support of honest, intelligent criticism; somethings Libs can seldom come up with. . .

You made the three-word average of Lib favorites; xeno-phobic, prejudice, and one more universal - morons. . .for your responses. . . Not bad, but for a Liberal, expect to see more from the 'A' list. . .

When intelligent, or even honest criticism fails - Libs let the words do the talking. .

20 posted on 03/04/2002 5:15:53 AM PST by cricket
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To: Elkiejg
Okay, France. You get overrun again and you're on your own.
21 posted on 03/04/2002 5:16:11 AM PST by rdb3
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To: Byron_the_Aussie
Not afraid to play on any prejudice for a headline, is more like it.

What "prejudice?" What are you talking about?

22 posted on 03/04/2002 5:17:34 AM PST by rdb3
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To: Byron_the_Aussie
I think everyone ought to calm down and weigh this Axis attack plan with a cool head.

Gotta wonder how calm you would be if the terrorists had flown a 757 into a packed Sydney Opera House?

There has been no link shown between 911 and any of the 'Axis' countries. None. So what are the planned attacks intended to achieve?

The point of the article was that we are acting PRE-EMPTIVELY not RE-ACTIVELY. The "Axis of Evil" countries, while not directly related to 9/11, have openly sponsored terrorist groups in the past. We have put them on notice that such sponsorship will be responded to in the same or similar fashion as we have in Afganistan. We are making plans to attack them if needed or if such sponsorship is clearly indicated. You have a problem with that?

Do the risks, which (IMHO) in the case of North Korea may well lead to a very difficult confrontation with China, outweigh the positives?

Considering your proximately to China, at least as compared to ours, I could see how you would be worried. Understand, China needs the US, badly. We are their largest single customer and account for over 25% (some estimates are higher) of their exports. We could always buy cheap good from lots of low labor cost countries. Heck, we have several in our own hemisphere that could fill in if our relationship with China goes south. They, on the other hand, would have a hard time replacing 300 million affluent customers. They will bluff, bluster, posture and then ultimately back down.

I don't want to offend any of my (fast-disappearing!) Freeper friends, but what I really believe is that the escape of Bin Laden means that there's been no closure of 911 for America, and its people and leaders are in the mood to lash out.

There are some serious "cons" to capturing or killing Bin Laden. His followers would make a martyr out of him. It could be the trigger for a new round of attacks. Multiple wimpy-socialist-lefties within and outside of our boarders would say we are done fighting terrorism and try to pressure us to stop.

The reason for our reaction is that this is a "War On Terrorism." This is a war on the mindset that randomly killing innocents is an effective way to attack an enemy. We will not stop until Terrorism joins Nazism and Facism on the ash-heap of history.

23 posted on 03/04/2002 5:25:08 AM PST by Crusher138
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To: Byron_the_Aussie
I don't think it's a good idea for the US to become internationally isolated over a country so irrelevant as Iraq.

Isolated?? I don't think the U.S. can be isolated in any effective way. I dare say the U.S. is the domininant player in world affairs, which would be impossible to isolate.

A disagreement with allies is hardly isolation. The U.S., can, and always could be unilateral since the end of WWII, but has usually chosen favorable allied opinion in most instances.

24 posted on 03/04/2002 5:38:04 AM PST by demlosers
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To: Byron_the_Aussie
How's the author wrong? I don't see how the Euros have a say in anything outside of Europe any longer. :(
25 posted on 03/04/2002 5:50:29 AM PST by Constantine XIII
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26 posted on 03/04/2002 6:05:27 AM PST by WIMom
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To: wheezer
By extension of your sound point, does that say about the quality of collective intellect of our nation, which elected him twice as President?

Barely elected him President -- but to answer your question - I would have to lump them in with the Aussies!!

27 posted on 03/04/2002 6:19:00 AM PST by Elkiejg
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To: Elkiejg
The third paragraph from the end of this article is the key to understanding what is going on here:

"...The Afghan war, conducted without them, highlighted how America's 21st century high-tech military made their militaries as obsolete as were the battleships of the 19th century upon the launching of the Dreadnought in 1906....

As everyone knows who cares about human history, and in particular the history of Europe--the ancient homeland of most of our ancestors and birthplace of all of the ideas that have made human life on this planet bearable, beauty graspable--however fleetingly--and religion humane--the launching of the Dreadnought in 1906 portended the opening shots in the agonizing conflict known as World War I.

It was not, as is so often parroted, a lone Serb gunman who set off WWI. Lone Balkan nationalist assassins had taken out VIPs in almost every year leading up to 1914. The difference was the Dreadnought. If human history has taught us anything it is that when we have a new toy we WILL find a context in which to try it out.

WWI, of course, lasted well over 64 years and saw one European generation annihilated another European ethnic group nearly wiped out, great European cities destroyed, uparralled human suffering and dislocation that continues--especially in Eastern Europe and the Balkans--to this day.

It is characteristic of the ghastly world view that now informs the Movers and Shakers of Washington DC like Mr. Krauthammer, that the real meaning of the coming of the Dreadnought would escape them. The dire OUTCOME, perhaps, is not as tragic to them as it is to me. I wonder why not?

Yes, we have our push-button military wreaking havok on the bugs far down below on the ground. But we haven't quite figured out how to stay up in the air permanently. Do we have the stomach to wipe out all the people down on the ground who now consider the United States their deadly enemy? They number in the billionsand are growing each day. Can we manufacture daisy-cutters fast enough? Can we train enough doctors in abortion procedures? Can we teach foreigners how to hate themselves--their culture, history and religion--as well as we have taught ourselves? Is there time to do everything that must be done to "win"?

Before we realize, as Dreadnought Europe discovered--too late--that everything has turned to dust?

Ten here; Ten there--the Dreadnaught sails on

28 posted on 03/04/2002 6:31:45 AM PST by LaBelleDameSansMerci
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To: LaBelleDameSansMerci
>...and birthplace of all of the ideas that have made human life on this planet bearable, beauty graspable--however fleetingly--and religion humane

I'm assuming you left off a sarcasm tag or something.

In terms of religion, Chistianity started in the Middle East. Europe added the torture and unbounded death. We could have done without that. In terms of art, China had, for thousands of years, artwork -- I'm thinking of their ink and watercolors -- which was so refined the Impressionists couldn't even grasp it when they saw it, and when they tried to emulate it they looked like jokes.

The world -- that is to say, human civilization -- could have gotten along just fine if Europe had never existed. Possibly even better.

Mark W.

29 posted on 03/04/2002 9:37:52 AM PST by MarkWar
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To: Byron_the_Aussie
"I don't think it's a good idea for the US to become internationally isolated over a country so irrelevant as Iraq."

Byron, actually it is a long time feeling over here that it is much of Europe that is, and has been irrelevant for a long time now. I had long considered Oz-trailians to be the one society in the world, with similar historical roots, that would understand the need to be self sufficient.

I think it would be a terrible idea for us (the west) to become as complacent as Chamberlain England and Vichey France.

Tell you what ole Freeping compatriot, what we do is today for our protection and fortunately the coat-tails will have benefit for the rest of the non-Islamic world. And trust me we have thick enough skins to let the limp wristed "fair weather" allies make all the noise they wish.

You may not care for Krauthamers rhetoric, but his message is "right on". When 3,000 plus of your residents are killed by a world wide movement of insane fanatical Islamists I would image your attitude might change.

However, I won't flame you on this one. You have stood shoulder to shoulder with Freepers for a long time and I unlike, some of the newer breed understand that even friends don't agree all the time on all subjects. Have a "good-A"!

30 posted on 03/04/2002 10:15:23 AM PST by ImpBill
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To: Elkiejg
bump

great post

31 posted on 03/04/2002 10:19:56 AM PST by finnman69
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To: BlackElk
Pssst!!
Who cares what aussies think?

Enjoy your day, mite...

32 posted on 03/04/2002 10:19:56 AM PST by Publius6961
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To: LaBelleDameSansMerci
Do we have the stomach to wipe out all the people down on the ground who now consider the United States their deadly enemy? They number in the billionsand are growing each day.

I might go out and celebrate tonight; we might finally agree on one thing.
So then our problem is with the Muslims?
Or are those "billions" merely the tiny fraction of Muslims who are nutcases and hate us?

Inquiring minds need to know.

34 posted on 03/04/2002 10:26:45 AM PST by Publius6961
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To: Byron_the_Aussie
"So what are the planned attacks intended to achive".

Please don't pull a liberal on us and tell us who said, and when they said, we were going to attack North Korea?

George W should have just said BO! Who knows what countries we would attack according to Europeans and other factless liberals?

35 posted on 03/04/2002 10:35:36 AM PST by smithson
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To: LaBelleDameSansMerci
Do we have the stomach to wipe out all the people down on the ground who now consider the United States their deadly enemy? They number in the billionsand are growing each day.

Yes I do have the stomach to destroy those who wish to destroy us.

36 posted on 03/04/2002 10:38:14 AM PST by bfree
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To: Byron_the_Aussie
Z-grade xenophobic propaganda, designed to whip up any crowd of morons silly enough to believe it.......Not afraid to play on any prejudice for a headline, is more like it.

Actually, Aussie, your own xenophobia and prejudice in regards to America and Americans is what comes through loud and clear on every thread you post to.

As I advised you on another thread, go play with your kangaroos and cane toads. Individuals such as yourself have made Australia as irrelevant in world affairs as Canada.

That's sad. Once upon a time, in 1939, 1940 and most of 1941, it was the British Empire with Australia and Canada that were at the vanguard of the protection of Western Civilization while the U.S.A. had it's head in the sand.

Back in those times, the British Empire's Finest Hour, your people did not give a damn what Continental European, East Asian or American appeasers thought about your fight against National Socialism. We, in turn, do not care about what the appeasers think about us now.

That includes you.

37 posted on 03/04/2002 10:41:10 AM PST by Polybius
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To: Byron_the_Aussie
Europe was the birthplace of the three most abhorrent political systems ever devised that have caused more death and suffering than any in the history of mankind: Fascism, Nazism, and Communism. Europe has little or no credibility in assessing what is and what is not a moral or proper course of action to take against terrorist mass murderers they they themselves harbor when not actually aiding. The problem however isn't about geography, as most Americans are of European descent. What is the problem is the corrosive immorality of socialist and neo-communist ideology that has polluted and vitiated the concepts of right from wrong and good from evil, making ethics and morality relative concepts instead of absolutes. Europe has enjoyed a state of grace since WWII by having the United States it hates assuming the major costs of underpinning their social safety and national security that has allowed them to experiment with lunatic fringe socialism that has led them to the point where they cannot distinguish critical serious threats to world peace and security from thr ranting politics they continually engage in. The last time I checked, Aussie, Australia wasn't a part of Europe anymore than the US is. You kangaroo jockeys has better worry a helluva lot more about the 300 million plus Islamics baring down on your tiny, isolated, empty little outpost of European civilization and let Europe take care of itself.
38 posted on 03/04/2002 10:54:43 AM PST by rebelsoldier
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To: LaBelleDameSansMerci
the launching of the Dreadnought in 1906 portended the opening shots in the agonizing conflict known as World War I.

It was not, as is so often parroted, a lone Serb gunman who set off WWI. Lone Balkan nationalist assassins had taken out VIPs in almost every year leading up to 1914. The difference was the Dreadnought. If human history has taught us anything it is that when we have a new toy we WILL find a context in which to try it out.

The Dreadnought theory is a rather simplistic theory considering that The Schlieffen Plan was submitted in 1905.

Would France have given up hope of recovering Alsace and Lorraine if Wilhelm II had put all of his military resources into his Army and the German High Seas Fleet had never existed? No. The land war was irrelevant to German maritime ambitions and the invasion of Belgium that brought Britain into the war was planned a decade before it ever occirred and before the Dreadnoght was launched.

Mass mobilization, planned years in advance and timed to the hour was the "Use It or Lose It" weapons system of mass destruction in the early 20th Century. Each day of delayed mobilization was calculated in each country as so many miles of territory of the Patrie or Vaterland lost to the invading enemy army.

Go back and read about who mobilized first and who declined to give assurances that they would not mobilize and you will see how that powderkeg was set off.

The assasination would not have touched off World War One if the Czar had not ordered the mobilization of his armies.

The German High Seas Fleet and the Royal Navy were totally irrelevant to the start of World War One once the first mobilization order was issued.

39 posted on 03/04/2002 11:25:19 AM PST by Polybius
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To: cricket
....Krauthammer writes a brilliant analysis and like any good Liberal...

'Brilliant analysis'? Come off it. There's not one fresh insight in the article. It's a pole dance, for low-IQ neocons.

40 posted on 03/04/2002 12:06:18 PM PST by Byron_the_Aussie
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To: Elkiejg
I know that I could not care less what Europe thinks about what the USA does, either in war or peace. They have contributed little to the world in the last 50 years other than constant criticism and whinning.
41 posted on 03/04/2002 12:07:31 PM PST by bfree
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To: Elkiejg
...I can't take your comments too seriously since your country was dumb enough to pay Clinton 3 million dollars for 1 speech...

He didn't get paid three million dollars, the payments weren't made by 'our country', and he made more than one speech.

Got that, dumbo?

42 posted on 03/04/2002 12:08:49 PM PST by Byron_the_Aussie
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To: Crusher138
..Considering your proximately to China, at least as compared to ours, I could see how you would be worried. Understand, China needs the US, badly. We are their largest single customer and account for over 25% (some estimates are higher) of their exports. We could always buy cheap good from lots of low labor cost countries. Heck, we have several in our own hemisphere that could fill in if our relationship with China goes south. They, on the other hand, would have a hard time replacing 300 million affluent customers. They will bluff, bluster, posture and then ultimately back down..

This paragraph would be quite possibly the most ignorant piece of writing I've ever read on the Free Republic. I honestly thank God that fools like you aren't in charge of US foreign policy.

43 posted on 03/04/2002 12:12:51 PM PST by Byron_the_Aussie
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To: MarkWar
...in terms of religion, Chistianity started in the Middle East. Europe added the torture and unbounded death. We could have done without that....

Deep analysis there, Mark. Krauthammer would be proud.

44 posted on 03/04/2002 12:16:12 PM PST by Byron_the_Aussie
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To: ImpBill
...you have stood shoulder to shoulder with Freepers for a long time and I unlike, some of the newer breed understand that even friends don't agree all the time on all subjects. Have a "good-A"!...

Thanks amigo. It is kind of sad that genuine and positive criticism of the WoT or the Patriot Act prompts cries of traitor/liberal/ arablover/kangaroo jockey, now. But you know FR, that too will pass, and the mob will go home.

45 posted on 03/04/2002 12:22:02 PM PST by Byron_the_Aussie
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To: Polybius
...actually, Aussie, your own xenophobia and prejudice in regards to America and Americans is what comes through loud and clear on every thread you post to...

It's not 'xenophobia and prejudice' that makes me dispute this Administration's planned foreign policy, it's real concern for friends.

46 posted on 03/04/2002 12:29:21 PM PST by Byron_the_Aussie
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To: rebelsoldier
..you kangaroo jockeys has better worry a helluva lot more about the 300 million plus Islamics baring down on your tiny, isolated, empty little outpost of European civilization....

They're not 'baring' down, Reb. And Australia's the same size as the continental US. But most importantly, we don't worry for pleasure like some of you guys do. Hey, I see on latest posts that tireless fighter for liberty and constitutional rights Ron Paul is now questioning the wisdom of an attack on Iraq :

Constitutional questions aside, we have to ask ourselves quite simply whether it serves any national interest to invade Iraq. So often we lose sight of the true purpose of our military, which is to defend our borders against attack. Remember, Iraq has not initiated aggression against us. We, on the other hand, have bombed them, taunted them by flying military jets in their airspace, and starved them with economic sanctions- all for more than a decade. We haven't done these things out of humanitarian concern for Kuwait, we've done them because we want to protect our oil interests.

47 posted on 03/04/2002 12:39:49 PM PST by Byron_the_Aussie
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To: Byron_the_Aussie; LaBelleDameSansMerci
>Deep analysis there, Mark. Krauthammer would be proud.

France, Germany, Britain and more
Make up Europe, named for some Oberon lore.
Now LaBelleDameSansMerci
Says the way that we were, see,
Got its start on the Continent's floor.

The East and the Middle East need not apply
To this tunnel-vision homage to days gone by.
With Christ and the Tao
I won't have a cow
But this limerick zen is my sigh.


Mark W.

48 posted on 03/04/2002 1:12:21 PM PST by MarkWar
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To: Byron_the_Aussie
Let me repeat myself. . ."When intelligent, or even honest criticism fails -

Well, you have done it again. . .'low IQ neo-cons?'

Down to the insults; still no cigar. . .

49 posted on 03/04/2002 1:44:26 PM PST by cricket
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To: Byron_the_Aussie
It's not 'xenophobia and prejudice' that makes me dispute this Administration's planned foreign policy, it's real concern for friends.

And why should we really care what you think? As the saying goes-with friends like you and Europe, who needs enemies.

50 posted on 03/04/2002 2:01:33 PM PST by bfree
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