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Sudan Jihad forcing Islam On Christians, Using Rape and Killing
World Net Daily ^ | March 4th 2002 | Art Moore

Posted on 03/04/2002 6:29:29 AM PST by OPS4

Monday, March 4, 2002 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- FAITH UNDER FIRE Sudan jihad forces Islam on Christians Women refusing to convert gang-raped, mutilated, says relief worker

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posted: March 4, 2002 1:00 a.m. Eastern By Art Moore -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- © 2002 WorldNetDaily.com Sudan's militant Muslim regime is slaughtering Christians who refuse to convert to Islam, according to the head of an aid group who recently returned from the African nation. The forced conversions are just one aspect of the Khartoum government's self-declared jihad on the mostly Christian and animist south, Dennis Bennett, executive director of Seattle-based Servant's Heart told WorldNetDaily.

Villagers in several areas of the northeast Upper Nile region say that when women are captured by government forces they are asked: "Are you Christian or Muslim?"

Women who answer "Muslim" are set free, but typically soldiers gang-rape those who answer "Christian" then cut off their breasts and leave them to die as an example for others.

Bennett says these stories are corroborated by witnesses from several tribes in the region. Upon returning to the U.S., he wrote a letter to influential members of Congress and activists.

"After witnessing once again the situation on the ground there," Bennett wrote, "I must ask 'How long will the United States government allow the Government of Sudan to continue its jihad against the Black African Christians of South Sudan?'"

Backed by Muslim clerics, the National Islamic Front regime in the Arab and Muslim north declared a jihad, or holy war, on the south in 1989. Since 1983, an estimated 2 million people have died from war and related famine. About 4.5 million have become refugees.

Sudan's holy war against the south was reaffirmed in October by First Vice President Ali Osman Taha. "The jihad is our way, and we will not abandon it and will keep its banner high," he said to a brigade of mujahedin fighters heading for the war front, according to Sudan's official SUNA news agency. "We will never sell out our faith and will never betray the oath to our martyrs."

The U.S. House of Representatives adopted a resolution finding that Khartoum is "systematically committing genocide," but current legislation that would impose sanctions has been stalled. The Sudan Peace Act is opposed by both the White House and Wall Street.

Sanctions in the House version of the bill target oil revenues that Khartoum is using to fuel its war effort. Bennett, with 20 years experience in international risk management and banking, said he was the first to probe the link between oil and jihad that is now documented and publicized by human rights groups. His research began in 1996 when he asked: If you're the government of Sudan and you're broke, how are you paying for your war?

In his letter urging action by the U.S., he points out that Sudan's military continues to decorate and promote known war criminals such as Commander Taib Musba, who in the mid-1980s killed an estimated 15,000 unarmed, civilian, ethnic Uduk Christians.

In 1986, Musba entered the Uduk tribal capital of Chali and declared to its Christians: "You are all going to convert from Christianity to Islam today, because here is what's going to happen to you if you don't."

Musba then killed five church leaders in front of the gathered villagers. When they refused to convert, he began killing unarmed men, women and children. Some were herded at gunpoint into a hut then run over by a 50-ton, Soviet-made tank.

He also herded groups of about a dozen people into a hut, where he asked the first person "Do you renounce Jesus Christ?" Anyone who refused was killed by a three-inch nail driven into the top of the head. The U.N. high commissioner for refugees granted the Uduks international refugee status in 1992 after investigating the atrocities, but almost as many died during the six years they waited for the declaration.

Islam also is forced on Sudanese in the Muslim north. Security police in Khartoum are pursuing a local convert to Christianity who went into hiding three weeks ago to escape arrest and possible death, the Compass Direct news service reports. Aladin Omer Agabni Mohammed, who left Islam 11 years ago to become a Christian, is subject to the death penalty under Sudanese criminal law for "apostasy." According to a church leader, two other converts face a similar situation.

Forced starvation Bennett says that in addition to the more immediate, readily apparent atrocities taking place, there is a slower, less perceptive persecution that is equally deadly. Forced starvation is one of the primary tools of the Khartoum regime, he says. When government forces attack a Christian village, they kill everyone they catch, but those who flee lose everything necessary for survival.

"The government comes in and burns the crops, burns grain stored if there was any excess, burns houses down," Bennett said. "Now you have only the clothes on your back, no tools, no cooking pots, no buckets for water, and you have to run two days through the bush in 115-degree temperatures in order to escape." In the arid wilderness, escapees try to survive on tree leaves and stagnant, dysentery-infested water. If a women is breastfeeding, her milk dries up, Bennett said, and the baby starts dying. Small children, just weaned, also start dying.

"But all the family has to do is change their name to Muhammad or Ramadan, convert to Islam and walk the two days back to the government of Sudan who will care for them," he said. Last year, the government of Sudan burned all the crops in the area where Bennett's group works. "There wasn't anything to harvest," he said. "Literally we saw people eating roots and tree leaves. It's like eating the nutritional properties of cardboard. It's enough to put something in your stomach but not enough to feed you."

A food drop came from the U.N. World Food Program, he said, "but they never came in to do an assessment; they just dropped it from the air." As the "hungry season" approaches – the rainy period of June, July and early August – emergency food supplies become critical. Servant's Heart believes it will need to feed 50,000 people in its area during that time.

Slavery as tool of terror Slavery is another tool of the National Islamic Front regime, though Bennett says it is not known in the northeast Upper Nile region, mainly because of lack of transportation. Western Bahr El Ghazal is one location where it persists because the railroad line allows captured men, women and children to be taken to slave markets in the north. "If you want to end systematic slavery, blow up the train line and keep it blown up," Bennett said.

The ongoing controversy surrounding slave redemption – the practice of buying freedom promoted by some humanitarian groups – arose again in the past week when the Irish Times and Washington Post published exposes acknowledging the existence of slavery in Sudan but alleging that fake slave redemption is taking place. Bennett respects the work of groups buying back the slaves, but he believes it is inevitable that some will be conned. Engaging in the practice is a matter of individual conscience, he says. "Anytime you have tens of thousands of American dollars coming into an area you've got potential problems of corruption," Bennett said. He says the "jury is still out" on whether it fuels the market by increasing demand. "Slave-taking would still be happening even if nobody was buying back slaves," he said. "Maybe not to the full extent."

But he believes it's important to keep in mind that taking slaves is "just one more facet of the jihad against the civilian population" in southern Sudan. The methods may vary in different parts of the country, but the aim is the same.

"In the Uduk tribe, Taib Musba drove three-inch nails into people's heads," he said. "In northeast Upper Nile, they are gang-raping women and cutting off their breasts; in western Bahr El Ghazal, they are capturing women and selling them as slaves."


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: africa; africawatch; china; christianpersecutio; cnpc; darfur; humanrights; religion; sudan
The Muslim agenda is quite clear, and where is the bleeding heart Liberals, AL Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, Barbra Boxer, and the Democrats et al, Slavery of the past is an issue, what about current events? No outrage? only when you the left has something to gain is it an Issue?

Do not expect The Black Muslims to even attempt to address this slavery issue nor the New Black Panther Party, This is a non issue of Blacks being slaughtered in Sudan because black on black slavery or Muslim on Chrisitian Crime is acceptable.

So who is running the agenda on the left side of the aisle in Washington, Surely not Free thinkers or Christian types. Ops4

1 posted on 03/04/2002 6:29:29 AM PST by OPS4 (ctievp@hotmail.com)
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2 posted on 03/04/2002 6:34:35 AM PST by WIMom
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To: OPS4
Rape is not the only thing. Also included can be "female circumcision". It is circumscision at all, but a clitoridectemy.
3 posted on 03/04/2002 6:34:37 AM PST by tallhappy
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To: OPS4
Wow...I get to be the first to put this, this time.....

This couldn't possibly be true- after all.....
Islam, the religin of PEACE!

4 posted on 03/04/2002 6:35:56 AM PST by TheBattman
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To: OPS4
Sudan should be declared a terrorist state.
5 posted on 03/04/2002 6:48:50 AM PST by sheik yerbouty
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To: OPS4
Islam is a Religion of PeaceTM
6 posted on 03/04/2002 6:51:46 AM PST by Teacher317
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To: Teacher317
Agendas in World Governments are heading towards Facism. Slaughtering of innocents ignored. Judeo-Christian values under attack in America, and World Wide. Sudanese Christians will never believe Muslims are for peace after these crimes. Ops4
7 posted on 03/04/2002 6:53:07 AM PST by OPS4
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To: OPS4; AfricaWatch
Women who answer "Muslim" are set free, but typically soldiers gang-rape those who answer "Christian" then cut off their breasts and leave them to die as an example for others.

This is only a problem when we try to apply our western values towards another (equally valid and advanced) culture. When we apply moral relativism here, we find that the Sudan is just another rich and diverse culture. We should celebrate this and make every effort to include this in our own culture.

"You (i.e. Muslims) will fight wi the Jews till some of them will hide behind stones. The stones will (betray them) saying, 'O 'Abdullah (i.e. slave of Allah)! There is a Jew hiding behind me; so kill him.' " (Sahih Bukhari Volume 4, Book 52, Number 177)

islam, the religion of peace…

Owl_Eagle

”Guns Before Butter.”

8 posted on 03/04/2002 6:54:21 AM PST by South Hawthorne
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To: TheBattman
Yeah, really peace.

When Mohammed was still walking the Earth, he taught peace, but his followers thought differently and raged war against the Christians. In my daughter's history book on the early Muslims, they told Mohammed that they would have war and that Allah was on their side now. They have always believed in the jihad. Mohammed was a weakling and was told to follow when it came to war.

Were the Crusades really so bad? Think about it? They halted the Muslims from expanding their territory. Are we going to have to do this again? But wait, that's going against the UN!

We can't find Muslims as Muslims, but Muslims can fight against Christians with the world's blessing.

9 posted on 03/04/2002 6:54:32 AM PST by coton_lover
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To: OPS4
"...So who is running the agenda on the left side of the aisle in Washington, Surely not Free thinkers or Christian types..."

And you think the "right" side of the aisle is any different? Uh-huh. I've noticed the great shift in foreign policy since Bush took the oath.

The only solution is a Christian Homeland--complete with men who don't succumb to the vapors when the word "crusade" is mentioned. But the few remaining Christian Americans are too busy accumulating hefty stock portfolios and making sure their grandchildren pay for their viagra prescriptions. First things first, after all.....

10 posted on 03/04/2002 6:58:49 AM PST by LaBelleDameSansMerci
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To: *Christian persecutio
Index.
11 posted on 03/04/2002 7:01:51 AM PST by denydenydeny
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To: OPS4
Whooops!! Its those "peaceful Muslims" hard at work again, trying to win converts!! This is the reason Islam is the world's fastest growing religion!!

I'm beginning to think we will all wind up Muslim. Only Genghis Khan, Vlad Dracul, Richard Coeur D'Leone, Jan Sobieski and similar types had the ruthlessness to deal effectively with these fanatics.

While scenes like this are being repeated in Nigeria, India, the Phillippines, Egypt, etc, our government is deliberating about whether or not to allow the "detainees" in Cuba to wear turbans!! Any of the aforementioned heros faced with the same arrogance by captured Muslim prisoners would have simply cut off their heads.

12 posted on 03/04/2002 7:03:43 AM PST by ZULU
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To: OPS4; ZULU
Sudan Jihad forcing Islam On Christians, Using Rape and Killing

History repeats itself. We don't learn.....
Go out and rent this movie:

KHARTOUM, starring Charleton Heston, is a Grand, Historic, Sweeping Epic with a cast of thousands.
Does history repeat itself? I first saw this movie years ago. After the first terrorist bombing of the World Trade Center in the mid-1990's, when Osama Bin Laden first declared a "jihad" against the United States, I was reminded of the movie. Osama Bin Laden is the spitting image of the "Mahdi", played by Lawrence Olivier. The parallels are uncanny. Believing that he was "the predicted one" spoken of by the prophet Muhammad to bring the sword against infidels and convert the world to Islam, the Mahdi sprung up from the deserts of the Sudan in 1883 to organize a Holy War against the British Empire and all Christendom. A century later, Bin Laden also sprung up from the Sudan (he was expelled from Sudan in 1996 and his assets there seized). In fact, recall when then U.S. President Bill Clinton bombed the aspirin factory there in an attempt to annihilate Bin Laden - in Khartoum! To understand what is taking place in the world today, this movie is a must see. I would highly recommend it for high school and college students, as well as adults desiring to make sense of what drives the radical Islamic jihadists. This movie reveals that their radical mindset is nothing new - it was alive and well in 1883 much the same as today. Besides being a true story, Khartoum is a gripping tale of good versus evil, full of action, battles, and edge of your seat suspense and intrigue. If you haven't seen Khartoum, do it now. It's a TOP 10 for sure.


13 posted on 03/04/2002 7:08:31 AM PST by ppaul
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To: OPS4

TERRORISM AND PERSECUTION

Helicopter gunships and Antonov bombers of the Government of Sudan have launched repeated intensive aerial bombardments of civilian centres in Southern Sudan.  On some occasions these aerial attacks were followed up by co-ordinated ground assaults by the National Islamic Front (NIF) armed forces and Peoples Defence Force (PDF) militias.

Reports received by our mission include testimonies of ground assaults (sometimes) at night and scorched earth campaigns by government forces burning homes and grain supplies, and looting cattle.  On one occasion 4 helicopter gunships and an Antonov bomber co-ordinated with ground forces to destroy everything necessary to sustain life in the area.

14 posted on 03/04/2002 7:12:48 AM PST by marxwas a loser
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To: OPS4
TESTIMONIES OF TERROR

Traumatised survivors relate heart-rendering stories of terrible suffering and losses:
“My father was burned alive in his tukel. My aunt is missing with her children (her husband is dead) … This suffering is caused to us by this oil.  There are new companies coming up and they are being established in our former villages.”

“I don’t know where my parents are.  The bombing was too much on us like a rain.  Some people lost their sight.”

“I was sitting under the tree with my one-year old son.  Then, the gunship suddenly appeared and started to shoot us.  My baby was shot and his leg was cut right from the thigh.”

15 posted on 03/04/2002 7:14:03 AM PST by marxwas a loser
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To: OPS4
THE OIL CONNECTION

According to investigators commissioned by Canadian and British NGO’s, whose findings are summarised in the “Report of an Investigation into Oil Development, Conflict and Displacement in Western Upper Nile, Sudan” (October 2001):

“The new (Government of Sudan military) strategy in Western Upper Nile, is both more violent and more territorially focused (i.e. in the oil concessions), involving co-ordinated attacks on civilian settlements in which aerial bombardment and raids by helicopter gunships are followed by ground attacks from government-backed militias and government troops.  These ground forces burn villages and crops, loot livestock and kill and abduct people – mainly women and children.”

The report calculates that over 200 000 people have lost their homes in the Oil regions of Western Upper Nile since the Canadian oil company, Talisman, entered in 1998.

“Since 1999, a consortium made up of Talisman of Canada, Petronas of Malaysia,  the China National Petroleum Corporation and Sudapet of Sudan has been pumping oil. Production is about 220,000 barrels a day, enough to increase the government’s annual official military budget to $327 million this year, according to the International Monetary Fund.”

16 posted on 03/04/2002 7:15:48 AM PST by marxwas a loser
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SUDAN’S TERRORIST CONNECTION

The London “Daily Telegraph” published an article: “Sudan hides its Regime of Terror behind a Mask of Diplomacy” (19/10/01) which claimed that “the Sudanese government remains a host to terrorists and continues to engage in the brutal ethnic cleansing of non-Arab Sudanese.”

The article includes details of “former slaves who bore scars from burning, slashing and, in some cases, amputations of fingers … gang rapes at the hands of Sudanese soldiers … executions, usually of Christians … who refused to convert to Islam.”  In addition, the Daily Telegraph article deals with the on-going presence of terrorist training camps and chemical weapons in Sudan.

17 posted on 03/04/2002 7:16:44 AM PST by marxwas a loser
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To: OPS4
BIN LADEN AND SUDAN

Various reports continue to reveal an on-going pattern of co-operation and links between Osama Bin Laden, his Al-Qaeda network and the National Islamic Front regime in Khartoum.

“The National Islamic Front (NIF) political and security apparatus is intact, as are the NIF’s and the international Islamicists control of the economy.  Many of those running terrorist training are still in security and ministerial jobs.  So, well informed Sudanese doubt that the NIF will hand much of value to US investigators.  The NIF is as Islamic as its friends Osama and the Taliban.  This regime believes in what it does.  Any concession is intended only to protect the greater cause.  Secondly, any major betrayal would be suicidal, just as dangerous as holding free elections.” (Africa Confidential, 28 September 2001).

The FBI has confirmed that Mohamed Atta, who piloted one of the commercial aircraft into the World Trade Center, “wired money to Mr Bin Laden’s former paymaster in Sudan, Shaykh Sai’iid el Masry, also know as Mustafa Muhammad Ahmad, on the eve of the terrorist attacks” (Ottawa Citizen, 12 October 2001).

The Citizen goes on to report that testimony in the trial of four men convicted for the embassy bombings in Kenya and Tanzania reveals: “Shaykh Sai’id (Mustafa Muhammad Ahmad) controlled the Bin Laden financial network in Sudan through a company called Taba Investments, and used profits from related Sudanese banks and businesses to finance and cloak terrorist training.”

The Citizen noted that British prime minister, Tony Blair, publicly disclosed in a report tabled in the British Parliament that: “these Bin Laden companies were key assets in the Al-Qaeda terrorist campaign.  Since 1989, Osama Bin Laden has established a series of (Sudanese) businesses to provide income for Al-Qaeda, and to provide cover for the procurement of explosives, weapons and chemicals, and for the travel of Al-Qaeda operatives.”

Ali Mohamed, who pleaded guilty of conspiracy in the 1998 East African embassy bombings, has said: “he (Mohamed) arranged security for a meeting in the Sudan between Hezbollah’s chief and Bin Laden.  Hezbollah provided explosives training for Al-Qaida and Islamic Jihad, Mohamed said, while Iran supplied Egyptian Jihad with weapons and used Hezbollah to supply explosives.”  (Associated Press, 12 October 2001).

“Tens of millions of the $100 million provided by Bin Laden to the Taliban since he arrived in Afghanistan from Sudan in 1996 has been directly traced to Bin Laden entities through banking and other transfers.”  These transfers would certainly have involved the Taba Investments Company and Al-Shamal Bank in Khartoum, which received $50 million in start-up capital from Bin Laden when he was in Sudan. (The Washington Post, 11 October 2001).

A unit of Islamic mujahedeen in Bosnia has been financed by Bin Laden “by means of small convoys of recruits from the Arab world through his businesses in Sudan.”  (The Los Angeles Times, 7 October 2001).

Aldy el-Attar, a 53-year old surgeon in Neu-Ulm in Germany, met separately both with alleged hijacker Mohamed Atta and Mamdouh Mahmud Salim, an alleged financier for Osama Bin Laden’s al-Qaeda network.  El-Attar travelled frequently between Germany and Sudan. (The Washington Post, 9 October 2001).

“United States investigators believe they have found the ‘smoking gun’ linking Osama Bin Laden to the 11 September terrorist attacks, with the discovery of financial evidence showing money transfers between the hijackers and a Bin Laden aide in the United Arab Emirates.”  (The Guardian, 1 October 2001).  The man at the centre of the financial web is believed to be Sheikh Saeed, also known as Mustafa Mohamed Ahmad, who worked as a financial manager for Bin Laden when the Saudi exile was based in Sudan, and is still a trusted paymaster in Bin Laden’s al-Qaida.

While in Sudan, Bin Laden bought his own bank, the Al Shamal Islamic Bank, with a handful of Sudanese partners linked to the Islamic regime in Khartoum. Bin Laden and his followers built up an intricate financial network based on Islamic practices, and dozens of ‘charities’ raising money for Jihad from the rich and faithful around the Gulf.
(The Guardian, 1 October 2001).

“Sudanese leaders agreed in 1998 to use their embassy staff in New York, London and Rome to raise funds for Osama Bin Laden, according to documents from the Canadian Security Intelligence Service (CSIS).  The documents, filed in Federal Court, also claim the Sudanese agreed to arrange for diplomatic credentials for Bin Laden followers, allowing them unfettered travel around the world.  The alleged agreement was struck between Bin Laden’s top aide, Dr. Ayman-Al-Zawahri, and ‘Sudanese Islamic leaders’ the CSIS brief said.”  (The National Post, Canada, 28 September 2001).

According to a senior police official, fresh evidence gathered by them has revealed that Ismail, the first secretary in the Sudanese embassy, was not only operating as a conduit of Osama Bin Laden in the Capital (New Delhi) but was also trying to recruit more operatives for subversive activities in India. (Hindustan Times (New Delhi), 30 September 2001).

Accordingly, Freedom Quest, in its Sudaninfo, concludes: “There is overwhelming evidence that Sudan has very much continued in the business of supporting world terrorism generally, and Osama Bin Laden and al-Qaeda in particular.  It forces the obvious question: how likely is it that this regime will be revealing of its own activities in ‘co-operating’ with the US in the sharing of intelligence on terrorism?  We can be sure that revelations will continue to emerge about the role of Khartoum and the National Islamic Front regime in supporting international terrorism.  Certainly the requisite callousness has long been demonstrated in their brutal conduct of the war against the South, where the terrorist bombing of innocent civilians is the standing order of the day.  In turn, if the US is not willing to look honestly at the context for the ‘intelligence’ it is presently receiving from Khartoum, it will be hard to have confidence in either the acuity of our intelligence agencies, or the moral foundation of our ‘war on terrorism’.”

18 posted on 03/04/2002 7:18:52 AM PST by marxwas a loser
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To: OPS4
Frontline Fellowship and Jeremiah Films are in the process of completing a new video documentary: “Terrorism – From the Middle East to America.”  This will be a sequel to the “Sudan – the Hidden Holocaust” video which was based on our book “Faith under Fire in Sudan.”  These and other videos and books on Sudan, Islam and the persecuted church are available from ITMI in the USA (Tel: 1-888-918-4100) or E-mail: itmi@intouchmission.org) or from Frontline Fellowship in South Africa (Tel: 27-21-689-4480 or e-mail: frontfel@gem.co.za).

Please continue to uphold the Christians of Sudan in fervent prayer.  Do also pray for the Frontline missionaries in Sudan at this time.  Visit the Frontline Fellowship website: www.frontline.org.za. for updates, photos and articles, especially “Uprooting Terrorism” and “Racism, Slavery and Terrorism.”

“When you pass through the waters, I will be with you; and through the rivers, they shall not overflow you.  When you walk through the fire, you shall not be burned, nor shall the flame scorch you.”
Isaiah 43:2

 


Dr. Peter Hammond

19 posted on 03/04/2002 7:20:51 AM PST by marxwas a loser
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To: coton_lover
[re: The Crusades] They halted the Muslims from expanding their territory. Are we going to have to do this again? But wait, that's going against the UN! We can't find Muslims as Muslims, but Muslims can fight against Christians with the world's blessing.

All they need for this to be UN-sanctioned is a majority in the UN and on the security council.
They're well on their way, unless someone can put a halt to it now.

20 posted on 03/04/2002 7:21:50 AM PST by Teacher317
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To: OPS4
This is nothing short of ethnic cleansing. How come we have not heard a peep out of the UN? If this same sort of thing was being doen by Serbs, then we would be asked to bomb Khartoum.
21 posted on 03/04/2002 7:30:35 AM PST by KC_Conspirator
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To: OPS4
"Women who answer "Muslim" are set free, but typically soldiers gang-rape those who answer "Christian" then cut off their breasts and leave them to die as an example for others."

"He who seeks to save his own life shall lose it, but he who seeks to lose his life for my sake, shall keep it"

"He who denies Me before Men, so shall I deny him on the Day of Judgement, before my Father, and all the angels of Heaven"

"And he caused all, small and great, rich and poor, to have a mark placed on his right hand..."

The Mark of Islam (i.e. Antichrist)

22 posted on 03/04/2002 7:42:46 AM PST by Windsong
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To: LaBelleDameSansMerci
So says a moral relativist supreme. There's a difference, lady, but nobody should hold their breath waiting for you to ever recognize it.
23 posted on 03/04/2002 7:44:45 AM PST by Post Toasties
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To: ppaul
Based on what I recall of reading about Mohammad Ahmed, the Mahdi, his situation was a little different from that of Osama.

At the time of the Mahdi, the Sudanese people, who were predominantly Muslim in the part of the Sudan where this historical drama occurred, were oppressed by a foreign Egyptian government, whichg was directed by a corrupt and brutal Ottoman Empire. The British supported the Ottoman Port and Egypt in oppressing the Sudanese as it aided their imperial goals. The Mahdi, the son of a Sudanese boat-builder, attempted to overthrow the corrupt Turkish domination of the Sudan and their English and Egyptian puppets, and he succeeded.

"Chinese" Charles Gordon, a man in many ways a Christian mirror of the Mahdi, became involved by convoluted means in the situation and, as one historian put it, attempted to defend the iundefensible at Khartoum.

The Mahdi actually admired Gordon, attempted to convert him, entered into a correspondence with him over religious matters, and ordered his troops to capture Gordon alive as he - the Mahdi- believed Gordon was a good man fighting in a bad cause and he wished to spare his life. The Mahdi was enraged when he learned that his troops had cut down Gordon, although, knowing the personality of Gordon, capturing him alive would have been an expensive proposition.

Much later, after the death of the Mahdi, even European troops were impressed by the unbelievable courage of his followers at Omdurman when they heroically and recklessly charged into modern European artillery and machine gun fire armed mainly with spears and swords, and died to the last man.

In the big picture, the Mahdi and Gordon were both good and brave men. Osama Bin Laddin, killer of women, children and old men, is a vile monster by any same man's standards in any age.

I have not seen the picture, but would like to. Heston is a great actor and another great man. But I doubt that Hollywood did credit to the complicated personality of Gordon or the Mahdi.

24 posted on 03/04/2002 7:57:27 AM PST by ZULU
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To: OPS4
Islam is Peace.

The peace of the grave, maybe, but the craven will take peace wherever they can find it.

25 posted on 03/04/2002 8:08:26 AM PST by headsonpikes
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To: OPS4
Another good reason for turning U.S. attention here?
Odds are that wherever this type of "persuasion" exists, terrorism is thriving under a different name.
Time to exterminate a few more muslim rats.
26 posted on 03/04/2002 8:25:31 AM PST by Publius6961
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To: OPS4
Women who answer "Muslim" are set free, but typically soldiers gang-rape those who answer "Christian" then cut off their breasts and leave them to die as an example for others.

Bump for a horrible story that isn't being told. (Note to self--time to start writing.)

He also herded groups of about a dozen people into a hut, where he asked the first person "Do you renounce Jesus Christ?" Anyone who refused was killed by a three-inch nail driven into the top of the head.

This I don't understand. I thought Islam regarded Jesus as a prophet and teacher. I don't know why they would demand that people renounce Him. Cease worshiping Him, maybe. Proclaim Mohammed's superiority, maybe. But renounce Jesus? This just seems to be more proof of what this 'religion' really is and that most of Islam's adherents are not playing with a full deck. Islam is a haven for brutish, barbaric, ignorant, hateful people. No wonder it seems to be more like an instrument of satan than an actual belief system.

27 posted on 03/04/2002 8:44:36 AM PST by LibertyGirl77
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To: OPS4
The Muslim agenda is quite clear
And yours ain't too blurry either. If you wanna see gang raped women, many of the movies are made in the USA. By Christians.

Instead say: The Sudanese agenda is quite clear.

Hatemonger!
28 posted on 03/04/2002 10:02:43 AM PST by a_Turk
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To: OPS4
I ask everyone here...even if you knew the wrong answer surely meant death ,
What would you say? What would you tell your children to say?
Muslim or Christian?
Will you die for him? Jesus said a time was coming when we would be persecuted because of him and our faith in him. I feel that some people might think this is not a risk, because it is happening over there...in Africa...it would never happen over here....Well I will say that your Christian brother in Sudan is just as important as your Christian brother Bob Smith that lives across the street.

Would you die for him?

29 posted on 03/04/2002 10:29:48 AM PST by Delbert
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To: Windsong
Excellent Post. Thank you, Ops4
30 posted on 03/04/2002 1:50:37 PM PST by OPS4
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To: a_Turk
Movies are not reality, wake up and compare realities like the Sudan and the Trade Towers. The sudan muslim forces are sick wackos. Ops4
31 posted on 03/04/2002 1:52:28 PM PST by OPS4
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To: OPS4
Sudan isn't part of the evil axis, so just ignore them.
32 posted on 03/04/2002 1:57:26 PM PST by Jefferson Adams
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To: OPS4
The sudan muslim forces are sick wackos
I would agree with a corrected version "The sudan government forces are sick wackos" assuming that the report is accurate, and that the rape and murder of christian civilians are prescribed by the government.

I woke up decades ago. You are just now waking up, rubbing your eyes. Many are out there trying to take advantage of you right now. Be vigilant not only against terrorists, but also agitators and manipulators. You don't need to be a tool.
33 posted on 03/04/2002 4:50:35 PM PST by a_Turk
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To: ZULU
Thank you for the trenchant historical perspective.
I believe you will enjoy the movie.
35 posted on 03/05/2002 6:28:03 AM PST by ppaul
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To: TheBattman
There are a whole bunch of Sudanese Christian refugees at my church who were persecuted by the Sudanese Muslims.
36 posted on 03/05/2002 6:36:23 AM PST by aruanan
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To: OPS4
Sudan's Islamic government is a terrorist state. Just as guilty in the enslavement or murder of Sudanese Christians are the Canadian and Chinese governments.

Canada does nothing to hold the Canadian petrochemical company Talisman Corp. accountable for their support of ethnic cleansing.

And China loves every opportunity to grab hold of oil fields and kill Christians while they are doing it. So the Sudan is a perfect fit for the Chinese.

Eternal shame be on PM Chretien and Canada.

37 posted on 03/06/2002 11:26:11 AM PST by father_elijah
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