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"WHY DID HE SHOOT ME" --maimed Eagle Scout
BALTIMORE SUN ^ | March 3, 2002 | Kimberly A. C. Wilson

Posted on 03/04/2002 9:11:40 AM PST by one2many

Edited on 09/03/2002 4:50:01 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

An Eagle Scout who was mistaken for a bank robber and shot in the face by an FBI agent in Pasadena on Friday remained in serious but stable condition at Maryland Shock Trauma Center last night.

Joseph Charles Schultz, 20, was shot at close range about 6 p.m. Friday when FBI agents searching for a bank robbery suspect pulled over his girlfriend's car.

Schultz, who lives in the 7900 block of Seabreeze Drive in Orchard Beach in Anne Arundel County and works with fiber optics for a local medical company, has no connection to the bank robbery, officials said.


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It's pretty hard to feel good when you're looking at your boyfriend with half of his face shot away.

1 posted on 03/04/2002 9:11:40 AM PST by one2many
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To: one2many

2 posted on 03/04/2002 9:14:01 AM PST by Texaggie79
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To: bang_list
We still have yet to hear why the FBI-guy who committed this crime did what he did. We will probably never truly know.

And trigger-happy goons like the FLEA who did this are the people we're supposed to trust with firearms? Not in a million years.


3 posted on 03/04/2002 9:17:37 AM PST by Joe Brower
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To: Travis McGee, Squantos, harpseal
Gentlemen, FYI...
4 posted on 03/04/2002 9:18:13 AM PST by Joe Brower
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To: one2many
I'm surprised the FBI let them live. After a screw-up of this magnitude, their usual M.O. seems to be ensuring that only their side of the story survives.
5 posted on 03/04/2002 9:19:55 AM PST by Teacher317
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To: Joe Brower
And the shooter will NEVER face any consequences for his reckless endangerment, his attempted manslaughter, or his unlawfully discharging a weapon.
6 posted on 03/04/2002 9:21:08 AM PST by Teacher317
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To: Joe Brower
Not a good story.
7 posted on 03/04/2002 9:21:34 AM PST by TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig
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To: Teacher317
It is disgusting they will not release the name of the shooter. The people who live around the shooter should be allowed to make up their own minds about him.
8 posted on 03/04/2002 9:23:28 AM PST by eno_
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To: one2many
"It's an ongoing investigation, and under most circumstances we do not give out too much information," Maddox said.
Translation: we need to get our stories straight.
9 posted on 03/04/2002 9:25:48 AM PST by Asclepius
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To: one2many
He was shot because the FBI is a bunch of Keystone kops, the worst law group in the world.
10 posted on 03/04/2002 9:25:53 AM PST by Texbob
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To: Teacher317; 4ConservativeJustices; stand watie; shuckmaster; Aurelius
bump
11 posted on 03/04/2002 9:27:30 AM PST by one2many
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To: one2many
The guy was probably going for his citizen's card...err, I mean drivers license.
12 posted on 03/04/2002 9:27:45 AM PST by TADSLOS
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To: one2many
Already posted here . Posts indicated that some FBI agents put their finger on the trigger in any circumstance which could lead to accidents like this.
13 posted on 03/04/2002 9:28:09 AM PST by lelio
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To: Asclepius
Or...

Stuff it serfs; if there's something you
need to know we'll tell ya about it.

14 posted on 03/04/2002 9:30:22 AM PST by one2many
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To: Joe Brower
The more we learn the more clear it becomes that the agent who shot this young man should be facing criminal prosecution. With the facts currently available to the public he should already have been charged or some exculpatory information should have been made public.

Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown

15 posted on 03/04/2002 9:30:22 AM PST by harpseal
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To: one2many
re-bumped for ABOLISHING the FB&I.

for dixie,sw

16 posted on 03/04/2002 9:31:54 AM PST by stand watie
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To: Texbob
Maybe they have been watching the X-files too much and thought he was about to turn into a chupacabra or something.
17 posted on 03/04/2002 9:34:11 AM PST by cpressroll
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To: one2many
I do want to know why he was shot. Especially at 6PM (it's not dark yet is it?)
18 posted on 03/04/2002 9:38:12 AM PST by 4CJ
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To: Teacher317
From article: FBI spokesman Barry Maddox said agency policy prevented the immediate release of the name of the agent who shot Schultz

Your comment: And the shooter will NEVER face any consequences for his reckless endangerment...

Kinda remind you of a particular FBI agent who was at Ruby Ridge and killed a defenseless woman holding her baby daughter?

19 posted on 03/04/2002 9:38:16 AM PST by Budge
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To: one2many
I wouldn't pull over for any unmarked car. Where were the local police? Shouldn't they be doing the law enforcement in the area?
21 posted on 03/04/2002 9:39:47 AM PST by Smittie
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To: Darth Sidious
Well, at this rate, Lon Horiuchi won't run out of bridge partners. I wonder if he finds life at Quantico confining.
22 posted on 03/04/2002 9:54:17 AM PST by eno_
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To: Joe Brower
Famous, But Incompetent.
23 posted on 03/04/2002 9:56:43 AM PST by Travis McGee
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To: Joe Brower
the people we're supposed to trust with firearms?

An incident like this is not a 'mistake', or 'accident' -- It's an inexcusable and absolute f*ck-up.

24 posted on 03/04/2002 10:05:25 AM PST by Crowcreek
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To: eno_
No window office buildings could become the building boom trend for the alphabet soup group. As it is, you can't find an address in a phone book for any federal agency any more. This is very signifigant. When they have to hide from the public in fear(of course they will offer other reasons) things are not going well in this country for them.
25 posted on 03/04/2002 10:11:34 AM PST by blackdog
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To: maica,Freee-dame
Is this getting major attention in MD?

(We can assume the victim was a mere inconsequential male caucasian, if not, there would be entire city blocks in flames.)

26 posted on 03/04/2002 10:12:34 AM PST by Travis McGee
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To: Crowcreek
If bumble-f*cks like this homicidal moron are the people who are supposedly providing "domestic security" for our country, then we are screwed. I'll take care of me and my own by myself, thanks very much...
27 posted on 03/04/2002 10:13:12 AM PST by Joe Brower
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To: Travis McGee
A good friend, who was for a time a homicide investigator with NIS, calls them the F!@#$ng Bureacratic Idiots.
28 posted on 03/04/2002 10:14:14 AM PST by ArrogantBustard
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To: Travis McGee
We can assume the victim was a mere inconsequential male caucasian, if not, there would be entire city blocks in flames.

Roger that. And as you mentioned on another thread, the fact that these undisciplined fedgoons have a government-sponsored, taxpayer-funded "get out of jail free" card only further enables their "we're special people" mindset.

I notice none of the usual apologists have cropped up on the threads about this heinious incident. I guess these thugs once in a while show their true colors so plainly that even their buddies can't speak up in their defense.

29 posted on 03/04/2002 10:17:51 AM PST by Joe Brower
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To: Texbob
He was shot because the FBI is a bunch of Keystone kops, the worst law group in the world.
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Not as long as we still have the ATF!
30 posted on 03/04/2002 10:19:33 AM PST by night reader
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To: Travis McGee
I haven't heard too much about it. I'm from this area, but I didn't listen to or read any of the news media this weekend. I am guessing that Ron Smith of WBAL radio will be talking about it. He's on from 3 to 6 and can be heard on the internet at WBAL.com , I believe. He has a great show and you should check it out if you get a chance.
31 posted on 03/04/2002 10:21:49 AM PST by ben richards
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To: Joe Brower ; Harpseal ;Texasproud ;AAAbest ;Airborneranger ; Big Ern
Contempt of cop is a disease that will kill , hurt or ruin all who come in contact with it .......this was such a case IMHO. FLEA's in civilian clothes and unmarked vehicles with eeeeeeeeeeevil black firearms will sure lock up the fear factor of any innocent person who's never experienced such.

I figure the FiBi's will just pay the kid and say Oooooop's AD's happen and this agent will be promoted in the phucupmoveup career incentive program to supervise other idiots someday.

Sad that PC is sooooo strong in goobermint that good FLEAS/LEOS have to cater to the likes of this that make em all look like sh*t........

Stay Safe !

32 posted on 03/04/2002 10:25:05 AM PST by Squantos
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To: one2many
If we knew the shooter's name, we would know if his resume includes Ruby Ridge and Waco.
33 posted on 03/04/2002 10:26:37 AM PST by CWRWinger
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To: Squantos
I agree with your comments about "Contempt of Cop". There can be no mistake in this regard, however -- the FBI shoulders full blame for this incident. The fault is theirs and theirs alone, as is the ill will towards their agency that results from their modus operandi: screw up, cover up, while the criminals in their organization continue on clean as the driven snow. They besmirch the reputation of their entire organization by behaving so.

"Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill it teaches the whole people by example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a lawbreaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. -- Justice Louis Brandeis, dissenting, Olmstead et al. v. United States, 277 U.S. 485 (1928)

34 posted on 03/04/2002 10:38:39 AM PST by Joe Brower
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To: Squantos
I think you're probably correct.

I always give the benefit of the doubt to LEOs even of the Federal type (considering the many mistakes made the last decade by them) when this stuff happens but I always reserve judgement until all the facts are in.

I was even late in my outrage over Waco due to this.

I don't think we should stop trying to apprehend bank robbery suspects and in that case this crap will happen again because humans are involved.

How bad of a goat roping this was (that led to the shooting of the kid) remains to be seen. Obviously an innocent kid driving down the road is going to react funny (read delayed reaction) when a bunch of armed, non-uniformed people start shouting at him and forcing his car off the road.

What are our options for stopping this sort of thing from happening again aside from getting better people on the job or creating a magic pill that removes SNAFU from our daily lives?

35 posted on 03/04/2002 10:39:30 AM PST by TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig
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To: one2many
Absolutely sick. Even if this had been the robbery suspect, shooting him in the face in the manner described would have been hard to stomach. As it is...I hate to keep throwing around the term "jack-booted thugs", but...
36 posted on 03/04/2002 10:39:58 AM PST by truenospinzone
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To: one2many
In the previous administration, shooting an Eagle Scout would have probably gotten the guy a commendation.
37 posted on 03/04/2002 10:43:05 AM PST by jpl
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To: ArrogantBustard
AKA "The Federal Bureau of Incineration."
38 posted on 03/04/2002 10:45:47 AM PST by Travis McGee
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To: one2many
Emotionally, she's not OK

Yeah yeah yeah ... but how is the AGENT doing?

39 posted on 03/04/2002 10:57:33 AM PST by Askel5
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To: Travis McGee
This incident reminds me of an incedent that happened about 6 months ago in California. The BATF let a guy burn in his house after he shot the cop remember? It has been six months and still no report! The local sheriffs department shot up the house next door (approx. 100+bullets)where a family had just came home from the hospital with their newborn child.They mistook their house for the suspects and "No" report released from them either. How quickly we forget! This will fade away. Thats how this will be investigated.
40 posted on 03/04/2002 11:02:37 AM PST by santa clarita
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To: santa clarita
No doubt about it. It will be swept under the rug.
41 posted on 03/04/2002 11:04:04 AM PST by Travis McGee
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To: big ern
That is also why it is a show of arrogance not to release a name and photo of the shooter. There is no drug cartel or mafia threat to the agent. There IS the threat that people everywhere will treat him like dirt for the rest of his miserable existence. Face recognition technology will soon be widely available, and it will be impossible for scum like Horiuchi to hide forever. Eventually, the only "safe" place the Fibbies will be able to keep their F-ups is at Gitmo, right next to the Taliban cages.
42 posted on 03/04/2002 11:04:36 AM PST by eno_
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To: one2many
At the time of the shooting, Schultz, who graduated from Northeast High School in Pasadena in 2000, was a passenger in a Pontiac Grand Am driven by his girlfriend, 16-year-old Krissy Harkum.

In a completely unrelated issue, why is he dating a child?

43 posted on 03/04/2002 11:37:15 AM PST by Mr. Bird
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To: Mr. Bird
Actually they are a nice looking young couple. If you clik on the link at the top of the story (where is says Baltimore Sun) you can get a look at them. Of course Mr. Schultz doesn't look like that any more. Rifle projectiles have a way of assuring that.

As to dating a child; maybe she is almost 17; maybe that is for the young lady and her parents to decide. It certainly is not for me to do so.

44 posted on 03/04/2002 12:03:34 PM PST by one2many
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To: Mr. Bird
It's possible that last month the ages were a 19 y.o. dating a 16 y.o.. That wouldn't sound as bad, but still a spread of 3 years at those ages is a much bigger deal than 27 and 30.
45 posted on 03/04/2002 12:06:00 PM PST by TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig
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To: Askel5; jpl; truenospinzone; CWRWinger; Smittie; 4ConservativeJustices; Lurker
What Joseph Charles Schultz used to look like.
46 posted on 03/04/2002 12:09:14 PM PST by one2many
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To: one2many
The shooter's name was, what?
Lon Horiuchi?
47 posted on 03/04/2002 12:21:28 PM PST by Redbob
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To: Redbob
Dunno; he might have been there.
Going for a THREE-PEAT ya' know.....
48 posted on 03/04/2002 12:32:14 PM PST by one2many
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To: one2many
The record of the FBI is lying in coverup. No way should these hyped up agents have an offensive weapon like that.
49 posted on 03/04/2002 1:03:44 PM PST by School of Rational Thought
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To: Squantos
Good Lord,

What happened to the FBI we used to have so much respect for. Squantos, you and I were both working for New Mexico S.O.'s back in the day. Hell, we had great agents to work with back then. We also had some great Deputy U.S. Marshalls, Border Patrolmen, etc.

Say what you will about Hoover, but this is for certain, if this idiot had done this (shoot an innocent civilian, an Eagle Scout no less)in Hoover's time, he would have probably already eaten his own gun, for the good of the Bureau.

50 posted on 03/04/2002 1:47:39 PM PST by TEXASPROUD
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