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Tancredo doubts he can block amnesty-extension bill
Denver Post ^ | March 8, 2002 | Bill McAllister

Posted on 03/08/2002 1:24:33 PM PST by sarcasm

Friday, March 08, 2002 - WASHINGTON - Rep. Tom Tancredo takes credit for thwarting the Bush administration's last effort to offer partial amnesty to thousands of illegal residents, but Thursday the outspoken immigration foe said he may have been outmaneuvered by the White House.

President Bush has struck a deal with the House leadership to place legislation that offers an extension of amnesty on its consent calendar before Bush heads to Mexico for a state visit next week, the Colorado Republican said.

That action should ensure quick House passage of legislation that Bush has repeatedly sought from Congress. It would allow an undocumented person to receive legal standing, such as a valid green card, by filing a declaration with the Immigration and Naturalization Service.

It presumably also would require the person to have been in the United States by a certain date and have filed a declaration with the INS from an appropriate sponsor, such as a relative or employer, and pay a $1,000 penalty.

"The terms are still up in the air," said Dan Stein, executive director of the Federation for American Immigration, a group that has been allied with Tancredo. "We've heard to the effect that the president wants something to bring down to Mexico."

The initial Bush proposal, designed exclusively for Mexicans, once was high on the president's legislative wish list, but it was delayed after the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11. However, as the president noted Wednesday in a speech to the Hispanic Chamber of Commerce, he now is pushing for the extension of the amnesty program known by the section of immigration law that covers it, Section 245I.

The president hailed it as a way to reunite family, separated by the border. "If you believe in family values, if you understand the worth of family and the importance of family, let's get 245I out of the United States Congress and give me a chance to sign it," Bush told the chamber members.

Tancredo, the head of a congressional caucus on immigration issues and proponent of halting virtually all immigration, said he had blocked a previous attempt by Bush to push an extension of the amnesty program through the House. But this time, he said House Speaker J. Dennis Hastert, R-Ill., had agreed to place the issue on the suspension, or consent, calendar, making it difficult to defeat the proposal.

The Senate might be more favorable to the bill than the House, expanding the numbers of individuals who can apply, Tancredo said.


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To: Dane
Hey Dane, how many millions more is enough for people like you? 28 million more? 55 million more? 115 million more? How many millions more, uneducated, unskilled, non-english speaking is enough for you? How many?
2,251 posted on 03/12/2002 5:40:41 PM PST by Joe Hadenuf
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To: blueriver
Currently our government is busy giving away all of our engineering jobs, and putting American engineers out of work. Maybe in a couple of years they will start destroying the journalist profession in this country. Just give it time.

Yes and no. Establishment journalism is a major power center of the left and of the NWO in general (both of the left and of the "right"); as such they will either not be thrown to the wolves, or they will be the very last to be. However, journalism schools and affirmative action have pretty well driven white males (and conservatives) out of the newsroom over the past 15-20 years.

I do think that the elite journalists, at least, will never see their wages undercut by immigrants. No, the elite journalists will be sipping mimosa from inside their gated communities protected by private security firms, whilst the rest of us are working at low wage jobs and trying to avoid being robbed, killed or raped by roving gangs of the "gorgeous mosaic". This is pretty much the situation throughout the Third World, as it seems to be the ideal model guiding the NWO types.

2,252 posted on 03/12/2002 5:41:51 PM PST by Vast Buffalo Wing Conspiracy
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To: Joe Hadenuf
You do realize that you're asking Dane to think for herself, don't you?
2,253 posted on 03/12/2002 5:42:10 PM PST by WDG55513
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To: Dane
100 years ago it was the Irish.

Well I sure hope FR will be wearin' shamrock next Sunday!!! :-) Well, it is St. Patrick's Day :-)

2,254 posted on 03/12/2002 5:43:07 PM PST by Happygal
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To: Joe Hadenuf
Hey Dane, how many millions more is enough for people like you? 28 million more? 55 million more? 115 million more? How many millions more, uneducated, unskilled, non-english speaking is enough for you? How many

Uh where would you be if your uneducated unskilled non-english speaking ancestors hadn't came to America?

2,255 posted on 03/12/2002 5:43:31 PM PST by Dane
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To: Dane
Hey Dane, how many millions more is enough for people like you? 28 million more? 55 million more? 115 million more? How many millions more, uneducated, unskilled, non-english speaking is enough for you? How many?

ANSWER THE QUESTION DANE

2,256 posted on 03/12/2002 5:44:16 PM PST by Joe Hadenuf
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To: Dane
You start a lot of your sentences with "Uh", Dane, are you, uh, high or something?
2,257 posted on 03/12/2002 5:44:38 PM PST by WDG55513
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To: Happygal
I want to go to the US because I love the people mainly.

You should come to the US ----but legally. That's always an option.

2,258 posted on 03/12/2002 5:44:48 PM PST by FITZ
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To: EBUCK
The end is.........adoration of the press, the love of the people, and another term in office. He is a politician, he follows, until someone tells him where to lead. How many children of American citizens, have been put out of work by illegals? We call it child labor laws, but it only serves to make the kids slaves to govt, not self sufficient sovereigns of the realm. Soon we will not have a working class to speak of, we will all be soft and dependent, just what the govt wants.
2,259 posted on 03/12/2002 5:45:06 PM PST by jeremiah
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To: sarcasm
Isn't that great? And Jorge is on their side. Maybe he's from the Marxist wing of the Republican party.

Harpo? Groucho? Chico? Zeppo? Which one? Quien Sabe? Who cares?

2,260 posted on 03/12/2002 5:45:38 PM PST by Regulator
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To: madfly
LOL, I have link envy, even after reading the instructions I can't do a link.
2,261 posted on 03/12/2002 5:45:40 PM PST by MissAmericanPie
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To: Joe Hadenuf
ANSWER THE QUESTION DANE

Wow somebody is angry. Are you ashamed of your non-educated non-english speaking ancestors who found a better life in America?

2,262 posted on 03/12/2002 5:46:11 PM PST by Dane
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To: Dane
The more things change the more things stay the same. 200 years ago it was the Germans invading America, 100 years ago it was the Irish.

The vast majority of them came through Ellis Island and came legally. Many Mexicans also make the decision to come legally -----amnesty just rewards law-breakers.

2,263 posted on 03/12/2002 5:46:24 PM PST by FITZ
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To: Dane
Simple question you seem to be avoiding. How many millions more is enough for people like you? 50 million? 120 million? How many Dane?
2,264 posted on 03/12/2002 5:48:12 PM PST by Joe Hadenuf
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To: Dane
the immigrants who bus tables and clean toilets

As many of the illegals work for the Mexican drug cartels and are here as part of the vast drug distribution they manage here. Blanket amnesty means no background checks at all ---anyone can claim they were here for the required time, they dont' have to prove anything. I'm sure right now thousands are pouring over the border to claim their amnesty ----drug cartel included.

2,265 posted on 03/12/2002 5:49:28 PM PST by FITZ
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To: ALL
We have been betrayed!
2,266 posted on 03/12/2002 5:50:02 PM PST by Joe Hadenuf
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To: Joe Hadenuf
Dane doesn't answers questions - he just spews lies.
2,267 posted on 03/12/2002 5:50:30 PM PST by sarcasm
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To: Marine Inspector
Do you know any incidences of Canadian illegals? Or are you making up stories to bolster your argument.
2,268 posted on 03/12/2002 5:50:53 PM PST by jeremiah
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To: FITZ
The vast majority of them came through Ellis Island and came legally. Many Mexicans also make the decision to come legally -----amnesty just rewards law-breakers

Yup all they had to do was get off the boat and be processesd(90% were accepted), after that they were free to go anywhere.

They also did the jobs no one wanted. They worked hard to make a better life for their family. They also faced scorn.

2,269 posted on 03/12/2002 5:51:23 PM PST by Dane
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To: Happygal
Just saw one of the local NY congressman on tv recently (not mine), but his name is Jim Walsh out of the 25th district. He's the one who set up the program. According to him, they're begging for takers. If anything, many Irish immigrants here are going back home. You should contact his office if you're serious about getting a visa. Even so, I think Ireland is one of 29 countries where you can get a visa waiver. It's very easy for you to visit here if you want.

As far Europe, it's sort of a love/hate thing with them we have. Most of us with ancestors from that part of the world haven't forgotton the old countries. It's just they're always whining about us over there. Makes me wonder if they're a little envious sometimes.

2,270 posted on 03/12/2002 5:51:46 PM PST by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: Dakmar
I do a lot of home visits, and I've seen eight to 10 people in one bedroom.

We have a lot of that here-- I've seen where there's that many in the bedrooms but also that many sleeping in the living room. They only need to do that until they get their amnesty ---then they qualify for HUD housing and can get a lot more comfortable at taxpayer expense.

2,271 posted on 03/12/2002 5:52:04 PM PST by FITZ
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To: Dane
This passed tonight. Good job congress. Despite the head in the sand crowd, America still remains a melting pot.
2,272 posted on 03/12/2002 5:53:43 PM PST by VA Advogado
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To: FITZ
Blanket amnesty means no background checks at all

This isn't a blanket amnesty.

2,273 posted on 03/12/2002 5:53:46 PM PST by Dane
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To: Dane
Libertarians who the only things they like Mexican, is the pot.

I'm not a Libertarian and I don't like pot----but where do you think most of the drugs are coming from, and who do you think brings them into this country? Very many illegals are directly involved with the drug trade. I guess the politically correct word now to use to refer to them is "pharmaceutical distributors from Mexico.

2,274 posted on 03/12/2002 5:55:01 PM PST by FITZ
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To: VA Advogado
Congress and Bush betrayed the people of the United States - it's now payback time.
2,275 posted on 03/12/2002 5:56:00 PM PST by sarcasm
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To: Dane
They all are blanket amnesties ---just like the 1980s was. For one the fact that these people are "undocumented" means they have no real proof they've lived here. Just like last time ---they are paid cash under the table or are using false documents to get paychecks (felony fraud BTW) so their "proof" amounts to getting someone to write a notarized letter stating they had employed them for the required time.
2,276 posted on 03/12/2002 5:57:30 PM PST by FITZ
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To: sarcasm
It's amazing when you read stories like that and the attitude is they have a right not only enter as they please, but that we should reward them for it with amnesties. They're not even trying to hide their intentions. Everyone sees it but the quislings in Congress apparently.
2,277 posted on 03/12/2002 5:58:34 PM PST by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: Joe Hadenuf
In Washington state, the parties are fighting over raising of taxes. The differences in their plan is $.01, Democrats want a 9 cent a gallon gas tax, Republicans are fighting tooth and nail for 8 cents. The Democratic governor promised a vote of the people on this issue, but the Republicans are now making noises about how they were sent to do the peoples business, and putting it to a vote, is a shirking of responsibility.
2,278 posted on 03/12/2002 5:58:45 PM PST by jeremiah
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To: VA Advogado
Ah, VA Advocado, another illegal alien apologist who thinks taxpaying Americans should be killed or worse for consuming substances he doesn't approve of. Is there a connection I'm missing here?
2,280 posted on 03/12/2002 6:00:22 PM PST by WDG55513
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To: WDG55513
Fortunately your mindset hasn't infected our fine government.
2,281 posted on 03/12/2002 6:01:30 PM PST by VA Advogado
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To: Vallandigham
V. what do we do now? The house passed it...now what do we do?
2,282 posted on 03/12/2002 6:01:52 PM PST by I_Love_My_Husband
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To: jeremiah
Unbelievable! The two beltway parties will drive this nation into a ditch. I have nothing but total contempt for them.
2,283 posted on 03/12/2002 6:02:07 PM PST by Joe Hadenuf
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To: Reaganwuzthebest
And the Bush worshipers here.
2,284 posted on 03/12/2002 6:02:14 PM PST by sarcasm
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To: Jimer
I held my nose last time, this time I will vote my conscience to the hilt. A vote for a Republican is a vote against America. I could care less if a Democrat wins because of it, my conscious will be clean.
2,285 posted on 03/12/2002 6:02:53 PM PST by jeremiah
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To: sarcasm
And the Bush worshipers here.

Freeple Sheeple

2,286 posted on 03/12/2002 6:03:37 PM PST by RnMomof7
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To: VA Advogado;Dane;FITZ;Joe Hadenuf
"America still remains a melting pot"

That is hilarious coming from a person who has shown so much tolerence for idealogical difference in the past. Or perhaps you believe diversity is only skin deep. If that's what you think it would explain a lot about you, and your sycophantic relationship with Dane.

2,287 posted on 03/12/2002 6:04:05 PM PST by Dakmar
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To: sarcasm
Dane doesn't answers questions - he just spews lies.

And pointless platitudes.

2,288 posted on 03/12/2002 6:05:02 PM PST by bam
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To: jeremiah
The result of pushing them into minority status, would not be as you say IMO. It will force them to fight the liberals for more of their constituency. Again, only my opinion. They are in the position that Rush(lovehimorhatehim) Limbaugh has painted so clearly. They want to be loved by the media, and by extension the public. Instead of being dedicated to an ideal, they are dedicated to being part of the "in" crowd. I would like to see the figures showing the numbers of Republicans at dinner parties in '94 and in the present. If my theory is correct, the R's are hobnobbing with the best of them.

This description describes Rush as well. Sure, Rush has some "principles" he loudly trumpets, but they happen to coincide with the people who he hobnobs with and who have helped him succeed over the years and who have carefully guided his career and coached him. I have listened to Rush off and on since he started out as a local host in Sacramento. Rush has slowly but surely changed his positions on many issues to put himself in lockstep with the neo-cons and the open borders, NWO types within the party.

True, Rush won't publicly support amnesty (at least I don't think so - he knows what most people think about it), but it is highly unlikely he will take Bush to task in any meaningful way over the issue. Rush might not even mention today's vote, if he thinks he can get away with it.

I stopped taking Rush seriously when he flipped on the MLK Day issue; I was confirmed in my suspicions after his Potemkin-like guided tour of Israel.

Judging from his history, his tone, his body language, and my own personal intuition (again, IMHO), Rush is every bit as driven by status anxiety and desire to please the media (at least, the "conservative" media) as are the GOP pols. Rush is a very "other directed" kind of fellow. Contra his claims otherwise, Rush is neither original nor very imaginative. He gets fed his information and talking points by his various collaborators and handlers. Rush's talents are those of a salesman - glibness, enthusiasm, optimism, articulateness, ability to convince. But it's not the salesman that should convince one to buy; it's the product. Caveat emptor.

2,289 posted on 03/12/2002 6:05:19 PM PST by Vast Buffalo Wing Conspiracy
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To: Dakmar
Dane ought to check out the drug lord wars going on in Mexico right now ----get to know the Juarez cartel, the Tijuana cartel.....some of his favorite illegals are working for these guys --and they make the old Mafia look like wimps. Mexico ---the number one supplier of drugs to the US, illegal drugs brought by people coming illegally into the US.
2,290 posted on 03/12/2002 6:08:47 PM PST by FITZ
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To: Happygal
BTW, happy birthday. Have a toast to the Free Republic, the USA, and to Ireland for me.
2,291 posted on 03/12/2002 6:09:37 PM PST by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: Dane
They also did the jobs no one wanted. They worked hard to make a better life for their family. They also faced scorn.

They also didn't blow up buildings or kill thousands of Americans. A little bit different from our current batch of immigrants wouldn't you say.

2,292 posted on 03/12/2002 6:09:46 PM PST by blueriver
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To: Vast Buffalo Wing Conspiracy
Your response pretty well confirms my dislike of journalists and their definitions of "conservative" (which usually means an unwillingness to rock the boat and a propensity for groupthink and political correctness, which, nowadays, means "liberal", not conservative, using the terms in their American sense). It also confirms my decision long ago not to go into journalism, or academia (a similar phenomenon of status-anxiety driven courtiers).

I am quite conservative in my views, but I like to think I'm not completely closed or open to other thought. I don't know you, at all so can't comment. I mentioned the fact I was a journalist, not to intimidate you with academia, nor as a means to puport that I was college educated. I'm not a smart-ass, I have a lot to learn. I learn every day. (Why the hell do ye think I check in FR, frequently?)

Nowhere in your post do you indicate whether these immigrants are legal or illegal; also on the one hand you claim that Ireland needs these qualified professional workers, and then on the other hand you claim they are either sponging off of the system or working menial jobs. Which is it? Don't blame the anti-immigration crowd because your government refuses to clean up the mess created by your immigration and social welfare laws.

Yes certainly there are problems, quite a few actually. My main problems with the laws in Ireland is that these people aren't immediately issued (once registered) with some sort of temporary work visa, so they can work in the State for six months while they are processed). At the moment, they arrive and tax-payers fund their stay (processing can take 2 years). But many are professionals, many are hard working, decent individuals wanting to eeek out a living and a life for themselves. I have NO problem with that at all. MY god, haven't all our ancestors done the same? I am Irish (a nation where I should hate Britain for being the big enemy in terms of politicism)...but I see that country as one which gave my uncles a living when they couldn't find one here...in my little green Utopia.!!! !

Frankly, your post is one long feminine whinge about how awful things are for immigrants, and how (by implication) anyone who complains about this situation is really just a big meanie and a racist. The central thrust of your message is that immigration law should be based on what's good for the immigrants (as they define it) rather than what is good for your nation. This is a recipe for disaster, which you will be tasting of shortly.

Your need to use ``feminine whinge'' shows your inability to argue. I am in an Irish household with many men who can argue to their last breath...my sexuality never came into it. (Your need to mention my sex (yeah, I know, your next post will be classing me as some sort of feminazi, which I'm not!...just grow the hell up) shows your inability of same). I have never implied you to be rascist...and I don't need to call anyone a big meanie!! (I'm not in kindergarten for Chrissakes)

More and more people are growing tired of the dominant elite's disdain for democracy and traditional culture, and its overweening desire to turn the world into a police state that looks like a giant version of Disney World, sans mouse ears. This kind of evasion (implying your opponent is racist) isn't going to fly in future; and Ireland is in nowhere near as bad a situation as the USA. But give it time.

I don't class myself as elite. Not at all. In fact I class myself as reasonably practical.
In fact, if I dare, to put it in American political terms, I'm most possibly Reaganesque. (So friggin' sue me!).

2,293 posted on 03/12/2002 6:10:20 PM PST by Happygal
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To: Happygal
As you have probably concluded, Vast Buffalo Wing Conspiracy is an obnoxious and ignorant twit. Like a fly, eventually if you swat him hard enough he'll leave.
2,294 posted on 03/12/2002 6:13:02 PM PST by VA Advogado
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To: Black Agnes
Hope Tancredo has a good security detail...they'll be after him...

I'd like to see Tancredo run against Bush in 04'. With a good campaign he could capture 2/3rds of the conservative base. Since most republicans are conservative he could give Bush a real run for his money.

2,295 posted on 03/12/2002 6:13:45 PM PST by WRhine
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To: FITZ;Dane
Dane is not going to do anything that might cause him to doubt his belief system. The only reason I post to him and his cronies is to point out logical errors or just plain laugh at idiot statements they have made.
2,296 posted on 03/12/2002 6:14:36 PM PST by Dakmar
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To: Dane;Joe Hadenuf
Uh where would you be if your uneducated unskilled non-english speaking ancestors hadn't came to America?

Same situation as he is now - uneducated unskilled and non-english speaking - except in a different country.

2,297 posted on 03/12/2002 6:15:27 PM PST by VA Advogado
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To: FITZ
illegal drugs brought by people coming illegally into the US

Dane has already expressed her view that Mexicans should not have to follow the same laws as guys like you and me.

No, she's got Americans to persecute - why should she worry about a few "bad apples" from Mexico?

2,298 posted on 03/12/2002 6:15:38 PM PST by WDG55513
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To: FITZ
There was story on ABC's World News Tonight, re: illegal "rave" drugs, mainly Ketamine, which is a cat tranquilzer, available OVER THE COUNTER, W/O A PRESCRIPTION, in Tijuana Mexico, to be brought back here and sold to our young people, who then overdose, and, in some cases, die or recieve irreperable brain damage. There is a need for BORDER PARTOLS, BORDER SECURITY CHECKS, and BACKGROUND CHECKS for anyone trying to enter our country for extended periods of time, whether it is on a "vistor", "student", or "employment" visa. Drug smuggling only cracks the surface as to why we should not grant "blanket amnesty" to the illegals already here, because once they ARE here, the rest of the "familia" is gonna follow.
2,299 posted on 03/12/2002 6:15:43 PM PST by RangeRatt
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To: WRhine
I'd like to see Tancredo run against Bush in 04'. With a good campaign he could capture 2/3rds of the conservative base.

Amen!! He's got my vote.

2,300 posted on 03/12/2002 6:16:33 PM PST by Brownie74
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