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National Review Online ^

Posted on 03/13/2002 10:51:40 AM PST by VinnyTex

Boiling Pot
The immigration issue heats up.

By Ramesh Ponnuru
March 13, 2002 8:40 a.m.
 
 
 Last night, the House voted 275-137 to let illegal immigrants become legalized upon payment of a $1,000 fine and identification of a sponsor. The vote was a victory of sorts for President Bush, who can tell Mexican president Vicente Fox that he's making progress toward legalizing illegals at their meeting next week. But it was only barely a victory.

Bush needed two-thirds of the votes because of the procedure under which the bill was brought up ? a procedure normally used for uncontroversial measures. He got that majority, but only by one vote. And he had to rely on Democrats to do it. House Republicans voted against him, and their leadership, by a 123-92 margin. Democratic National Committee chairman Terry McAuliffe, referring to the leader of the anti-amnesty Republicans in the House, snarled that the GOP was a "Tom Tancredo Republican party," not a Bush party. There's considerable justice to his claim.

There were only 43 votes against the legalization proposal last year. This time around, it was attached to a popular measure to tighten security measures concerning people here on visas. But opposition jumped by 94 votes nonetheless. House Judiciary chairman Jim Sensenbrenner expressed his displeasure to some of the switchers. At least one of them told him that September 11 had changed his mind about the seriousness of border security.

The proposal now goes to the Senate, where Democrat Robert Byrd promises to hold it up.

The vote has to be taken as a warning to President Bush that any further movement on illegal immigrants is going to be difficult to achieve. That's the message House leaders will be giving him. Even one of Bush's major allies in the House, Roy Blunt, voted against him.

House Republicans who are considering seeking higher office this year were particularly likely to vote against Bush. Senate candidate John Thune of South Dakota voted against the proposal. So did Ed Bryant, who's running for Senate in Tennessee (and Democrats Bob Clement and Bart Gordon, who are said to be considering the race). Other Republican Senate candidates who voted against Bush were Saxby Chambliss of Georgia, John Cooksey of Louisiana, and Greg Ganske of Iowa.

Voting with the president was Rep. John Sununu of New Hampshire, who is also running for Senate.
 


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1 posted on 03/13/2002 10:51:41 AM PST by VinnyTex
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To: VinnyTex
Interesting. Bump.
2 posted on 03/13/2002 11:00:04 AM PST by Nea Wood
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To: VinnyTex
The result will be foreign conquest of at least four states by force of immigration. Bush has this thing for hispanics. He needs to get over it. Ramesh wazzizname is also dedicated to flooding this country with more of his family. I find he knows little about this country and National Review has become an irrelevant magazine.
3 posted on 03/13/2002 11:02:39 AM PST by RLK
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To: VinnyTex
While we focus on what this means for illegal Mexicans, I wonder what it means for Islamic militants here illegally.

Could they not find a sponsor, apply, pay the fine, and get a Green Card? If not, why not?

4 posted on 03/13/2002 11:36:37 AM PST by NetValue
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To: VinnyTex
Well, at least this article got it right...the $1000 is a fine for breaking the law, they still have to pay the normal fees for processing in addition to that.
5 posted on 03/13/2002 11:49:42 AM PST by ravingnutter
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To: VinnyTex
Here I thought this was about vegetable soup.
6 posted on 03/13/2002 11:55:00 AM PST by Khepera
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To: NetValue
HR 1885 applies to illegal Islamic Militants as well as illegal Mexican's. So, we should wonder how many of Bin Laden's sleeper cells among us are going to get amnesty.
7 posted on 03/13/2002 12:02:26 PM PST by healey22
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To: healey22
does it apply to everyone or just mexicans?
8 posted on 03/13/2002 12:05:05 PM PST by CJ Wolf
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To: VinnyTex; Victoria Delsoul; Pelham; Travis McGee; Joe Hadenuf; sarcasm; harpseal; RonDog...
The vote has to be taken as a warning to President Bush that any further movement on illegal immigrants is going to be difficult to achieve

If Bush was on the right side of illegal immigration, he wouldn't need a warning.

Not that I think the warning will set his thinking straight.




9 posted on 03/13/2002 12:08:50 PM PST by Sabertooth
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To: Khepera
Can it be made into a tea?
10 posted on 03/13/2002 12:11:40 PM PST by Rebelbase
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To: VinnyTex
I think I will call Birds office to thank him...
11 posted on 03/13/2002 12:26:52 PM PST by RnMomof7
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To: NetValue
While we focus on what this means for illegal Mexicans, I wonder what it means for Islamic militants here illegally.

Could they not find a sponsor, apply, pay the fine, and get a Green Card? If not, why not?

This is a free-for-all. Nationality has nothing to do with it. Washington keeps saying Mexican, because those are the votes they are buying. Washington does not give a hoot if any of these other countries benefit from this, they are doing this for Fox.

Also, I'd bet that more than 200,000 apply and are eligible. My guess is around 300,00 to 350,000. Just my opinion.

12 posted on 03/13/2002 12:28:24 PM PST by Marine Inspector
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To: Rebelbase
I guess. Cow manure can too.
14 posted on 03/13/2002 12:44:48 PM PST by Khepera
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To: Sabertooth

A crowd of Mexican illegals bolts across a U.S. border checkpoint

The evil elite New World Order multinational corporate traitors own the entire news media, own the entire "entertainment" industry and control both major political parties.

The evil elite New World Order multinational corporate traitors know that tens of millions of ordinary Americans are indeed alarmed over the impending takeover of this great nation by the emerging Third World majority.

The evil elite New World Order Multinational Corporate Traitors know that most Americans are against permitting our borders to be so flagrantly trampled upon by millions of Third World immigrants, both legal and illegal.

Yet the voices of America's silent majority are never heard.

The evil elite New World Order multinational corporate traitors who run the news media and the political establishment never allows "politically incorrect" opinions to be expressed.

It's time for the silent millions of Americans to rise up and demand an end to all immigration, both legal and illegal and to demand an end to the evil elite New World order multinational corporate stranglehold over us.

15 posted on 03/13/2002 12:45:24 PM PST by majordivit
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To: VinnyTex
I pray someone or something voids this bill.
16 posted on 03/13/2002 12:47:40 PM PST by A CA Guy
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To: CJ Wolf
does it apply to everyone or just mexicans?

Everyone.

17 posted on 03/13/2002 12:53:02 PM PST by healey22
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To: healey22
Dead on. There have been PLENTY of fools saying this wouldn't affect them. Oh but I beg to differ. ALL of them have been here since before Aug. 15, 2001. So we can be SURE that there will be sham marriages (or sham flight instructor jobs?) that will be used to establish eligibility.

This isn't just the "Mexican Illegal Alien" Amnesty. There is no nationality specified.

It should have been called the "Terrorist Amnesty" as well, because undoubtedly they will get through too.

18 posted on 03/13/2002 12:55:12 PM PST by Regulator
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To: Major Malfunction
I am so disgusted I don't know what to say. (A first for me).
20 posted on 03/13/2002 1:18:03 PM PST by janetgreen
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To: Sabertooth
"Not that I think the warning will set his thinking straight."

I think you're right on. Just one more instance of Bush knowing "what's right for America" and best for us better than we do.
21 posted on 03/13/2002 2:27:26 PM PST by lucysmom
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To: Sabertooth
just checking in
22 posted on 03/13/2002 3:01:54 PM PST by kmiller1k
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To: VinnyTex
I'm confused. I thought Bush vowed to NOT legalize the illegals.
23 posted on 03/13/2002 3:10:26 PM PST by mamelukesabre
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To: mamelukesabre
It seems he said "Read my lips, I will not legalize people who chose to break the law..."
24 posted on 03/13/2002 3:13:42 PM PST by FITZ
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To: CJ Wolf
does it apply to everyone or just mexicans?

From what I've read, it's a racist amnesty that only applies to one particular ethnic group but not Europeans, Africans, Asians or others. People would react entirely different if the Prime Minister of Canada or England suddenly began demanding the things Fox demands.

25 posted on 03/13/2002 3:18:46 PM PST by FITZ
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To: FITZ
well.....if they are here illegally, they are breaking the law. Right?
26 posted on 03/13/2002 3:20:29 PM PST by mamelukesabre
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To: VinnyTex
Bush is truly an idiot.

And I'm the bigger idiot for voting for the idiot in 2000.

27 posted on 03/13/2002 3:39:22 PM PST by HennepinPrisoner
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To: Old Hickory
I agree 100%.
28 posted on 03/13/2002 7:59:06 PM PST by TOM P
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To: VinnyTex
Does anyone know, name by name, who voted "For" and who voted "Against" ?
Where can we access that voting record ?
29 posted on 03/13/2002 8:07:04 PM PST by VideoDoctor
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To: VideoDoctor
please let me know what you find- thanks.
30 posted on 03/13/2002 8:21:51 PM PST by herewego
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To: VideoDoctor
You can see how everyone voted on Americanpatrol.com
31 posted on 03/13/2002 10:02:32 PM PST by navyblue
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To: Sabertooth
I never thought I'd see the day I thanked Sen. Bird!
32 posted on 03/14/2002 12:21:31 AM PST by brat
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To: Old Hickory
The British Monarchy has nothing on this idiotic Bush Monarchy that is running (or should I say ruining) this country into the ground. Oh yes, life in Amerika!
33 posted on 03/14/2002 1:56:20 AM PST by jragan2001
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To: RLK
and National Review has become an irrelevant magazine.

You're not kidding.

35 posted on 03/14/2002 6:16:20 PM PST by Pelham
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