Skip to comments.FBI agents said to oppose inquiry (shooting of Eagle Scout in Maryland)
Posted on 03/15/2002 6:22:07 AM PST by MulderEdited on 09/03/2002 4:50:06 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]
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OK you arrogant bastards, you asked for it. I'm against.
You hit the nail squarely on the head.
The local agencies have sold their souls to the devil [federal government] in the name of federal grants.
And as history has shown, all who sell their birth rights [and souls] do so very cheaply [a bowl of soup, 30 pieces of silver....]
The last years of his career were spent as the Chief Juvenile Detective in his department. When he died, a number of the young men whose lives hed touched years before came forward to tell how his timely and sometimes tough-love intervention turned them around.
I know that many officers STILL try to live that creed today. I also know that there are officers out there who, despite the rulings by the Supremes that they have no obligation to specific, individual citizens, would stand between one of us and a bullet and have.
My sister is married to a good guy who was also a good cop.
And I STILL vividly recall a business trip and having a flat tire. I pulled onto the narrow shoulder and was opening the trunk when I spied a Georgia State Troopers car cross the median, hit the flashers and pull in some distance behind me and a bit closer to the road, shielding me and my car from the 70 MPH traffic. SHE got out and asked if I needed any help. I told her I could probably handle it. She said shed keep her unit there until I got done.
THEN she spotted my cane and saw that I was partially disabled. Before I could object, she was in the trunk, had wrestled the spare to the ground and was jacking up the car, all the while asking me to remain safely near the guard rail. About that time, two county deputies stopped and pitched in. The lady trooper cut her hand fooling with the jack and soiled her freshly pressed uniform wrestling the dirty flat back into the trunk. They couldnt have been nicer! I took their names and wrote highly complimentary letters to their superiors all of whom promptly acknowledged them and thanked me for the kind words.
These officers like my uncle grasped the significance of To Protect and Serve.
I also recognize that the cops like Gort in The Day The Earth Stood Still -- are simply the muscle (the enforcement) behind the legislative and statutory law enacted by society as a whole. That is, after all, why its called LAW ENFORCEMENT. And although it could be argued that this society may be morphing into the homonym for whole as you read this, these laws are enacted by our alleged representatives meeting in generally safe, quiet and opulent chambers far from the increasingly mean streets where the cops ply their trade. If the cops have too many intrusive and abusive laws to enforce, check the nearest mirror for a likeness of the responsible party.
And if the cops ARE abusive to the general citizenry, why arent HUNDREDS or THOUSANDS of us RAISING UNHOLY HELL at each and every meeting of the responsible governing body? French political philosopher Joseph D'Maistre declared that "Every people gets the government they deserve."
Have we really become the nation of sheep an author foresaw many years ago? If so, we have little right to object to the shearing. Or the coming slaughter and culling of the flock. And my guess is that the culling will begin with the most troublesome and noisiest sheep. And guess who THAT is?
An old friend is a ranking officer with a large police department. I would rate his love of our freedoms and the Constitution against anyone here at FR. A few years ago, he told me that IF the order to begin some sort of weapons round-up among the general citizenry ever came down from on high, we would quickly know about it from the reports of disturbances and gunfire from the neighborhood cop shop: Fully HALF the officers in his department are Second Amendment guys. He and they would be the first to resist such an order physically if necessary. What should scare us all is the shift in our demographics and the continuing leftist indoctrination by the government schools, making it impossible to know how much longer that ratio and sentiment will hold.
Having said that, I also recognize that EVERY large barrel contains some bad apples -- and SOME cops are cowboys. Some are simply power driven megalomaniacs who would have dropped on the OTHER side of the law had their lives drifted a degree or two off the course they did take.
I believe this to be especially true of far too many federal law enforcement types who have allowed their egos and hubris to become as bloated as the bureaucratic federal behemoth they serve. Their mandate is no longer to protect and serve the citizens who pay their salaries: It is to crush any meaningful resistance to a growing body of procedures, regulations and policies too frequently enforced under severely tortured interpretations of the underlying legislative enactments (if any) and often put in place by executive fiat. The massively abused SEIZURE statutes laws the author of which now seeks to RESCIND! -- spring to mind.
And one cannot but help to wonder how the clear criminality of the Clintons and their subsequent avoidance of any penalty has played into the problem. There now seems to be a bright line between the easy, highly flexible, slap-on-the-wrist law for the rich and powerful and the rigidly enforced law against even the tiniest victimless crimes committed by those of us further down the food chain. Does anyone in his right mind believe THAT will NOT engender added disrespect for ALL law?
Could those things be a large part of the problem in some of the highly disturbing and DEADLY (on BOTH sides) confrontations we have witnessed over the past decade or so? Gordon Kahl, Ruby Ridge, OK City, Waco, Beck This list WILL lengthen and wed all better pray that WE will be spared.
Roman historian Tacitus warned that one could tell the level of corruption in a society by the NUMBER of its laws. Anyone doubt the level of corruption here?
Am I the only one who thinks were long overdue a serious review of the NUMBERS of laws under which we are now forced to exist and which are increasingly used not to assure our safety or well-being, but to COMMAND AND CONTROL us and KEEP US IN LINE.
Only the most tyrannical and power-crazed members of law enforcement could possibly object to that.
The modern counterparts of my Uncle Bob would not object.
It is THEY, after all, who are most likely to catch that bullet probably fired by someone who has symbolically screamed to himself IM MAD AS HELL AND IM NOT GONNA TAKE IT ANY MORE -- referred to earlier when they sally forth to serve that flimsy warrant or make that bogus arrest.
According to county 911 dispatch records, the Fire Department was called to respond to the shooting at 6:12 p.m., and the first units arrived by 6:15 p.m. Paramedics arrived two minutes later.
By 6:22 p.m., paramedics had finished their assessment and called for a helicopter to transport Schultz to the shock trauma center.
The paramedics were en route to the trauma unit by 6:53, according to the records.
I kinda of doubt the accuracy of the claim of a 40 to 60 minute delay in getting first medical attention.
Yeah, most of us know that. How does it feel to be the declared enemy of the FBI, folks?
A clean shoot seems to be a shooting that is properly covered up.
Someone needs to tell the agent, and fast, that US in the president's context means AMERICANS, and THEM means TERRORISTS and those who support or harbor them. The agent is a loose cannon rolling around deck waiting to explode.
Even if so, what is your point? I would hazard a guess that many people in this country resemble you. Does that mean that some yahoo with a badge can legally shoot you if someone who resembles you commits a crime?
You are probably right. That agent shot an innocent Eagle Scout.
He ought to pay for his action with more than just being given a desk job in another state.
The shooting should be investigated and the same punishment given to him as would be appropriate for a civilian. The ones who have the power need to be held to the same standard, even a higher standard, as the common man on the street.
Sometimes we skim an article instead of reading it carefully and get things mixed up somewhat.
The Federal Agencies are becoming something that you find in totalitarian countries, aren't they?
An insult to biker gangs everywhere <GRIN>
I don't know if, during the medical attention at the scene, the man remained handcuffed or what. But I can imagine that it would seem like forever if you are laying there watching your loved one like that regardless of how long the delay actually was.
That sounds to me like a threat uttered with intent to obstruct justice.
The difference is, they can get away with it.
Christopher Baga's own personal handcart to Hell is accelerating towards its destination. . .
Will Rogers summed up that episode thus:
Well, they had Dillinger surrounded and was all ready to shoot him when he come, but another bunch of folks come out ahead, so they just shot them instead.I once heard former Special Agent G. Gordon Liddy give a talk in which he recounted his extensive FBI training back in the fifties. Agents needed to do the right thing automatically under pressure. They spent a lot of time on the range shooting (or not shooting, as appropriate) popup targets. The Number One Rule was "Don't embarrass the bureau!". And just about the most bureau-embarrassing thing you could do was to drill a "citizen".
The shooter is FBI Special Agent Christopher Braga. Agent Braga is on paid administrative leave, at his request, since the shooting March 1 of Joseph C. Schultz. Note: paid admin leave, not suspension.
Special Agent Christopher R. Braga
Could be. But two high powered pieces in the Baltimore press today, one being by a celebrity ex-crime reporter and author of the landmark Homicide series, tells me that there's an offense play in the works that the FBI wasn't ready for - especially with the sudden flurry of names thrown out to the public. Oh yeah, there's a little bit of a panic right now. Just too bad it came out on a Friday and not a Monday.
ES IST VERBOTEN, STAAT SEKURITAT ZU KRITISIERON!
That would be nice, but unfortunately state and local governments have been quite effectively coopted by the chase for the almighty "federal" dollar, and willingly dance to the federal tune.
Es ist verboten, Staat Sekuritat zu kritisieron!
Are you trying for moron of the month, throwing around insults when YOU are wrong?
/1/ The original Weaver case was made by the BATF, (the 1/4" short shotgun).
/2/ The US Marshals, surveilling the Weaver property, shot young Sammy Weaver in the back killing him.
/3/ The FBI HRT sniper Lon Horiuchi shot Vicki Weaver through the head while she held her infant.
Next time you try insulting someone on FR, do a minute's worth of fact checking first, so that you don't come off sounding like a total cretin.
It's crap-talk like this that makes things unnecessarily personal and can lead to problems for this forum and possibly some of its members at the hands of JBTs and liberal/commie scum. We all know by now that this forum is monitored by trolls with and without badges....