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FBI agents said to oppose inquiry (shooting of Eagle Scout in Maryland)
Baltimore Sun ^ | March 15, 2002 | Gail Gibson

Posted on 03/15/2002 6:22:07 AM PST by Mulder

Edited on 09/03/2002 4:50:06 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

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To: antidemocommie
"...check your history. the shooting of Randy Weavers wife was not done by FBI agents. Put coin in slot and try again..."

Not true--Hourichi was FBI agent in charge of sniper team.-

source--link to ---Court case--9th Circuit Court of Appealls--June, 2001 [requires Acrobat Reader]

Qoute from court case ---"Horiuchi, as leader of the sniper team, instructed his men about how they should carry out their mission. His instructions...."

151 posted on 03/15/2002 10:26:54 PM PST by gatex
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To: Donald Stone; OKCSubmariner
"Two senior agents from the FBI's Baltimore office told a private detective yesterday that the mistaken shooting of an unarmed Pasadena man likely would be ruled a "clean shoot," and discouraged him from looking into the case further, the investigator said in an interview. Dudley F.B. "Butch" Hodgson, a former FBI agent who has been retained by the shooting victim's lawyers, said he was told by one of the agents: "There's no middle ground in this thing. You're either with us or against us."

Man Imprisoned 30 Years for Crime FBI Knew He Didn't Commit
"What do you want, tears?" "It'll be probably a nice movie or something,"
Boston FBI agent H. Paul Rico

The FBI Coverup In Tommy Burkett Case

The FBI is a criminal enterprise.

FBI competition - BATF's "Nigger Checkpoint"

Ashcroft Orders Full FBI Review After Blunders and murders and lying and obstruction and witness intimidation and more lying and destruction of evidence and falsifying documents and more lying

"Identify and recommend actions dedicated to improving and upgrading the performance of the FBI, assisting the incoming director with the many challenges to be faced, and reinforcing the FBI's effectiveness as the premier law enforcement organization in the world," - John Ashcroft

"The war on terrorism will not be fought in Washington but in the field, by agents, prosecutors, investigators and analysts," - John Ashcroft

"We’re going to go after all crime, and we’re going to make sure people get punished for the crime."
George W. Bush - Presidential Debate at Wake Forest University - Oct 11, 2000

"It is not possible to 'take care that the laws be faithfully executed' while deliberately violating the law.."
John Ashcroft - Aug. 1, 1998 (Washington Post).


Man Imprisoned 30 Years for Crime FBI Knew He Didn't Commit


By David Shuster and Sharon Kehnemui
Friday, May 04, 2001

WASHINGTON — Representatives on the House Government Reform Committee showed a rare display of emotion on Thursday, as they heard the story of a man who spent 30 years in prison for a crime the FBI knew he did not commit.

"Your story of faith, your story of family, your story of courage and perseverance is a gift to your nation. And we cherish it," Rep. Christopher Shays, R-Conn., tearfully told Joe Salvati, a Massachusetts husband and father of four. "Your testimony will insure no one else has to endure the outrageous indignities and injustices you, Mr. Salvati, and your family, Marie, and your family, have suffered."

Salvati was 34 when he was sent to prison in 1967 for a 1965 Boston murder. He had apparently owed money to an informant who told officials Salvati committed the murder, in an attempt to cover up the real killer's identity.

It took 26 years for Salvati's lawyer, Victor Garo, to uncover documents proving FBI agents and Boston police decided to prosecute Salvati to protect the identities of a few informants they believed would be endangered if the real murderer were identified.

Several of those informants later committed other murders. Documents also showed then-FBI director J. Edgar Hoover knew of the misconduct and false testimony but let the case go on.

Salvati, who was exonerated earlier this year — four years after his sentence was commuted — broke down Thursday while testifying about his experience, and the undying strength and love he gained from his wife over the years.

He also said that despite his 30-year imprisonment, he still had faith in the American justice system.

"I still consider our justice system to be the greatest justice system in the world. But sometimes it fails, as in my case," he said. "We need agencies like the FBI because there are many out in the world that want to hurt us. However, when the FBI or any other similar agencies break the law, they must be held accountable for their crimes."

Garo was less forgiving.

"It was more important to the FBI that they protected their prized informants than it was for innocent people not to be framed. The truth be damned. It didn't matter the truth," he told the panel.

Through tears, Marie Salvati told of how she raised their four children without her husband at home, but always with him in their heart.

"From the very beginning of imprisonment, I knew that it would be important for the children to have constant contact, with their family, with their father. And every weekend I dress up, pack a little lunch, and go off to see him for their hugs and their kisses and whatever went on. And he would give them their father's guidance, even though he wasn't home with them," Marie Salvati said.

Later in the hearing, retired Boston FBI agent H. Paul Rico defiantly denied he helped frame Salvati, but at the same time admitted the wrong man went to jail for the crime.

"What do you want, tears?" Rico shot back at Shays, who accused the agent of feeling no remorse for his role in case. "It'll be probably a nice movie or something," replied the ex-agent, when pressed on the matter.

Also testifying at the hearing was lawyer F. Lee Bailey, who represented Boston mobster Joseph "The Animal" Barboza, the first Boston mobster to enter the witness protection program. Barboza falsely implicated Salvati, who back in 1967 owed Barboza $400.

Bailey later filed a sworn affidavit that his client had testified falsely. That testimony helped to get Salvati's sentence commuted.

The FBI's Boston office still has admitted no wrongdoing in this case and has issued no apology to the Salvati family. But outgoing FBI director Louis Freeh issued a written statement on Thursday promising the bureau's cooperation in a criminal investigation of the agents who were involved.

Lawmakers are insisting on a complete investigation, as well as an apology and compensation for the Salvatis.


HELP IS ON THE WAY MY REAR!

The Fall of the Republic

152 posted on 03/15/2002 10:47:12 PM PST by Uncle Bill
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To: Lloyd227
AMEN on that. There are a lot of "us".
153 posted on 03/15/2002 11:20:45 PM PST by OldEagle
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To: ChareltonHest
I think Nunya Bidness has an for Schultz.
154 posted on 03/16/2002 12:58:03 AM PST by Donald Stone
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To: Donald Stone;ChareltonHest
I think Nunya Bidness has an for Schultz.

Correction,should read

I think Nunya Bidness has an address for Schultz.

155 posted on 03/16/2002 1:12:27 AM PST by Donald Stone
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To: Unicorn
"When corruption.. has prevailed in those offices of... government and has so familiarized itself as that men otherwise honest could look on it without horror,... then we must be alive to the suppression of this odious practice and... bring to punishment and brand with eternal disgrace every man guilty of it, whatever be his station." --Thomas Jefferson to W. C. C. Claiborne, 1804.

"Time indeed changes manners and notions, and so far we must expect institutions to bend to them. But time produces also corruption of principles, and against this it is the duty of good citizens to be ever on the watch, and if the gangrene is to prevail at last, let the day be kept off as long as possible." --Thomas Jefferson to Spencer Roane, 1821..

The day is upon us.

156 posted on 03/16/2002 4:14:15 AM PST by KDD
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To: harpseal
Regarding #42...can't argue with your analysis. It's a shame that those in charge over at the Hoover building can't get past their Hubris in order to understand that they would feel exactly the same way if they weren't part of the elite. I'm afraid they will never come to understand their proper role in society until it is too late.
157 posted on 03/16/2002 6:24:18 AM PST by Abundy
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To: Database
I don't know anything about it myself, but the fact that these turds left a seriously injured young man handcuffed after determining that he was not even armed makes me furious. All these arrogant pricks had to do was to listen to a police band scanner. Someone in the chain of command of this gaggle of clowns failed to communicate with the local LE and the result was this shooting. Of course, I'm giving them a real break by assuming that much.
158 posted on 03/16/2002 7:00:39 AM PST by Twodees
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To: Don Myers
I saw four FCC weenies at the local WalMart (near Ft. Pickett) in black BDU's. They had FCC on the service ID strip on their blouses. A noncom I mentioned it to said that I would be amazed at how many bureacratuic desk jockeys were receiving weapons trainig at Pickett. This is unconscionable to me and should be alarming to anyone concerned with our country.
159 posted on 03/16/2002 7:05:58 AM PST by Twodees
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To: Twodees
"This is unconscionable to me and should be alarming to anyone concerned with our country."

I think the agencies are preparing for a federal/national police force.

160 posted on 03/16/2002 7:10:47 AM PST by Don Myers
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To: Twodees
Oh, and I think the national police force will be assigned to Homeland Security.
161 posted on 03/16/2002 7:11:35 AM PST by Don Myers
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To: Mulder
BTTT
162 posted on 03/16/2002 7:15:13 AM PST by Unicorn
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To: Mulder
BTTT
163 posted on 03/16/2002 7:15:13 AM PST by Unicorn
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To: Don Myers
Homeland Security agency is structered so that it will be easy for evil people to operate our own Gestapo. I wish Bush would abolish this animal before it goes any farther.
164 posted on 03/16/2002 7:18:58 AM PST by cynicom
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To: cynicom
"Homeland Security agency is structered so that it will be easy for evil people to operate our own Gestapo."

Yes, you are right. And it is the perfect entity for a totalitarian government. Is this just incidental?

"I wish Bush would abolish this animal before it goes any farther."

That will never happen.

165 posted on 03/16/2002 7:23:18 AM PST by Don Myers
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To: Harrison Bergeron
Yep, you're right. Whether this breaks out because of the courage of a lone former agent or because there is someone with plenty of suction in the background seeing to it that this doesn't get swept under the rug, the result should be different from other cases where the feds walk away scott free.

Dag. That was an awful run-on sentence, but I don't have the stamina to break it up. Sorry 'bout that.

167 posted on 03/16/2002 8:08:03 AM PST by Twodees
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To: Uncle Bill
"Clean Shoot"bump
168 posted on 03/16/2002 8:12:22 AM PST by headsonpikes
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To: Don Myers
So do I. When the formation of the Homeland Security department was announced, I said, "surprise, surprise". Lots of more discerning fellows than I have seen this coming since about '88. I started believing them when I read "Unintended Consequences" and did some checking to verify Ross's mention of the huge number of federal agencies which were on "wave through" status with airport security.

Seeing FCC weenies in black BDUs was the capper.

169 posted on 03/16/2002 8:17:15 AM PST by Twodees
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To: Twodees
We are living in interesting times. I believe that it is a gaelic (?) insult when you wish someone to live in interesting times.
170 posted on 03/16/2002 8:20:51 AM PST by Don Myers
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To: Don Myers
Actually, it's chinese. The second part of it goes,"And may you come to the attention of important people."
171 posted on 03/16/2002 8:25:17 AM PST by Noumenon
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To: Noumenon
Thanks for the info. Do you think we are coming to the attention of important people when we post on this board?
172 posted on 03/16/2002 8:33:39 AM PST by Don Myers
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To: Don Myers
You betcha!
173 posted on 03/16/2002 9:16:41 AM PST by mercy
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To: mercy
I would not be surprised.
174 posted on 03/16/2002 9:21:22 AM PST by Don Myers
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To: Don Myers
I hope they notice that nobody around here is advocating violent overthrow of even the FBI let alone the gubmint. We are mostly calling for judicial revue and a purge of cowboy agents by THE AUTHORITIES. I doubt this sinks into their trigger happy skulls however.

I am beyond caring whether or not the Federal Bureau of Incomptetence has a file on me. It's time to stand up.

175 posted on 03/16/2002 10:28:14 AM PST by mercy
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To: mercy
Well, if anyone is foolish enough to make a direct threat, I imagine he or she would get a visit. Simply discussing an issue shouldn't be a problem, yet.
176 posted on 03/16/2002 10:31:08 AM PST by Don Myers
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To: Don Myers
Do you think we are coming to the attention of important people when we post on this board?

Just being a member here is enough. If you own a gun, you're already on multiple lists. We now exist at the sufferance of thugs and monsters. This 'open season' thing is a double edged sword, however.

177 posted on 03/16/2002 11:04:24 AM PST by Noumenon
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To: Don Myers
I thought it was a Chinese curse, "May you live in interesting times". We are seeing some very interesting times coming upon the US, though. Keep yourself and family safe. God bless you and yours, buddy.
178 posted on 03/16/2002 12:13:37 PM PST by Twodees
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To: Twodees
"We are seeing some very interesting times coming upon the US, though. Keep yourself and family safe. God bless you and yours, buddy."

I wonder what the next few months will bring? God bless you and yours as well.

179 posted on 03/16/2002 12:19:00 PM PST by Don Myers
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To: Mulder
Do you think 3M is still proud of this agent?

The 13th annual 3M/IAATI Vehicle Theft Investigation Award was presented at the annual IAATI meeting in Virginia Beach, Va. The honored team comprises Sergeant James D. Holmes, Officer David Dyhouse and Detective Marshall Trigg from the Metro Transit Police; Sergeant Pride Rivers, Lieutenant Rob Turano and Corporal Thomas Dupczak of the Maryland State Police; Special Agent Christopher R. Braga and Special Agent Molly Flynn with the FBI; Detective Robin Russell and Detective Chuck Penny with the Montgomery County Police; Agent Greg Klees with the Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms Laboratory; Jeremiah J. Smith with the National Insurance Crime Bureau; and Steven M. Dettelbach and Brent J. Gurney with the U.S. Attorney's Office in Greenbelt, Md.

181 posted on 03/16/2002 2:14:10 PM PST by the
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To: Mulder
Believe it - the "inside the Beltway" crowd is scared to death of the local FBI folks.

This case will not be dropped.

What I'd like to know is just who is it is that Braga is covering for? Was that woman who heads the Baltimore office out on the bust or not? So far no one has said a word about where she was while this was going on, and that is pretty suspicions!

182 posted on 03/16/2002 3:03:25 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: tracer
---it's called 'sarcasm' because it's what they do with civvies all the time. I also added it wasn't going to happen, either. But I guess it's ok if cops do it to civvies, because they are all scumbag perps. And they do more than talk about it, they DO kick in doors and throw in flashbangs and stomp the family pets and scream curses at everyone inside, and if it's even the wrong address- tough crapola, they walk out without even a 'sorry".

I could care less what happens to this so called public service 'agent', he's a scumbag mercenary, that's it. He's a trained killer who isn't even that good, he's a grade c psychopath.

her's a major clue-soldiers make really lousy cops most of the time!, Why? Because soldiers are trained to kill, use a weapon all the time, that's their main tool. Cops, GOOD cops on the other hand should hardly ever, ever, ever have to resort to a weapon, it's the LAST tool they want to have to use, not the FIRST tool. See the difference? just becauee both professions have 'guns" in their tool box does not make them 'the same job". They aren't even remotely close 5to the same job, but this government wants to change that, to go along with the previous 4 governments in completely changing "cops" intio soldiers. it SUCKS bigtime, and this is a typical situation now, because of this on-purpose change, which should be big clueski number 2 to most people. something is quite definetly WRONG here, bigtime folding money wrong.

And the trolls need to know there's millions of people out there who can see through their scum baggery dictatorship nazi sieg heiling, that's the whole idea of writing opinions-so I stated mine. If there's no weapon-you don't shoot, period. There was no weapoin, her shot anyweay, bercause he obviously WANTED to. He's sick and needs to be stripped of his badge, pension, check, guns and chunked in jail for attempted murder. He tried to kill an unarmed man, shot him in the FACE, someone who was obeying the "orders" to get out of the (*&^%^ car, an innocent man, and so far zilch has happened to him. He's beyond a disgrace, he's a menace to society, and should never be an employee of the US people, either as a civilian cop or as a soldier.

If the fedcops want respect, let them be brave enough to clean up their act FIRST, because the past buncha years, they STINK, as in rotten, incompetent, malicious and vindictive and thorouoly gangster run. I don't know how pervasive it is, but coverups and excuses are now the norm, not the exception to the rule.

My best advice to any honest cops left, federal or local-admit reality that the corrupt system is taking you down to their level of tyranny, so quit, resign, have nothing to do with them anymore, the check isn't worth your honor and heart and soul.

I know some who have done just that, and what they got to say can't even be written here. They have less respect than I do, because they've seen it up close and personal and have been ordered to be nazis and they got out.

I'm on freerepublic to help uncover decades of past governmental abuse and THIS case is a prime example of this 'abuse" stuff that keeps happening, and keeps getting worse. I don't have to be polite to the abusers, nor will I make excuses for them-and their families-who cares? This government doesn't care, it's called collateral damage. If they don't give a squat about that, why should anyone else? If this guy goes broke, too bad. if his wife has to go work, too bad. maybe she might want to rethink the type of "man" she marries? doesn't matter to me, his kids, OK, they don't know any better and got no choice in it-the adults, too bad. They aren't helping that poor shot kid anyway, so screw them and the black booted hoss they rode in on.

If he goes to jail-GREAT!

Hope I didn't leave anything out. Want to be clear here. Innocent kid-100% pure grade A victim of abusive government. US government and it's 'agents" who think it's OK to shoot unarmed people, 100% grade A nazi scumbags. they can slap a US flag on everything they got, it still won't stop the reality of them groovin on what the swastika means. New century, same old goose steppers.

183 posted on 03/16/2002 3:13:11 PM PST by zog
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To: Don Myers
Hillary Clinton, for instance, is a FreeRepublic junky. I don't believe she posts here, but she sure reads it.

I have had the experience of her taking action publicly concerning a very minor point I had made. No doubt Jim Robinson has had that experience as well.

Remember, that young girl who was a Barry Goldwater fan is buried in there under all that proto-fascist Liberal flab she's picked up over the years.

185 posted on 03/16/2002 3:27:18 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: ChareltonHest
That's a very good point. No doubt Agent Braga has made the world a lot more dangerous for every other agent - in fact, odds are that his action, if it was his action, will result in the deaths of several agents and probably numerous private citizens.

The element of trust is broken. These kids weren't whacked out religious crazoids, nor were they people in close association with someone charged with a felony, or even missing a court date.

Being a federale is tough. One day during a conference over some bad people one of the federales present crossed his leg and a pistol dropped out of his boot onto the floor. We all laughed, but he'd just come off of 6 months of stakeouts on druggies.

I suggested he would be well suited to haul around just one gun. He started pulling them out! Wow!

Anyway, he needed a break. Mr. Braga clearly needs a break, and it looks like he's been the shooter in the last three gun incidents in that office.

The civil suits will ruin him and his wife and kids, and his friends and fellow agents, and entire neighborhoods anyway. Wouldn't put it past him to put a gun in his mouth in the end - ...... the only people who win here are the trial attorneys. Let us pray that they are honest Republicans.

186 posted on 03/16/2002 3:38:08 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah
Fill us in on the details!!!!

And Hillary!, if you're reading this, I'd just like to say, I'm a PROUD member of the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy.

187 posted on 03/16/2002 3:42:37 PM PST by Alas Babylon!
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To: muawiyah
"Remember, that young girl who was a Barry Goldwater fan is buried in there under all that proto-fascist Liberal flab she's picked up over the years."

Wouldn't it be nice to go back to the innocent years? Many of us do have those innocent years. It is a shame that there are many people today who have no idea about innocent years. They were born old and cynical. Today's society robs the young of innocent years.

189 posted on 03/16/2002 3:48:05 PM PST by Don Myers
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To: antidemocommie
Randy Weaver's wife was shot by Lon Horiuchi. I have his phone number. If you want to know who his employer at the time really was I supposed I could call him up. By public reputation he worked for the FBI. Do you know differently?
190 posted on 03/16/2002 3:56:06 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: ChareltonHest
Let's see - I kind of divide federales into the Postal Inspection Service in one category, and then all the the others into a different category.

Inspectors are "good" federales. The others are not "good", but sometimes they are useful.

If you want somebody to defend the FBI call the Director. I haven't got time to do so, nor am I inclined that way either.

191 posted on 03/16/2002 3:59:27 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: harpseal
Just 2 years ago, 3 undercover DEA agents were imbibing heavily in the local Hampton, VA tavern (Roonies) and nearly killed another patron whence words were exchanged. The government maneuvering & manipulating was in full gear to keep a felony conviction from terminating their cocky agent. Fortunately, the jury found him guilty of felony maiming & that retired him from the WOD squad. Anyway, I'll be so glad to escape this lousy City of Hampton & am building a new home in Yorktown this spring.
192 posted on 03/16/2002 4:01:39 PM PST by VAwireguy
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To: Noumenon
Whatever the outcome in civil litigation, the fact is this kid ends up with a license to kill at least one federale without penalty.

No jury would ever convict him.

So Braga messed up twice. First he shot an innocent person. Second he failed to kill him.

194 posted on 03/16/2002 4:04:00 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah
--maybe it would be better rather than suicide is for braga to hang yup his shooting irons and pick up a nail gun or something like that and do some honest labor. Real work has a way of letting you see some more realities out of "the shop". Unless he's a committed action shoot em up junkie, which this sure looks like. Hate to say it, but the shoe seems to be fitting, not only with him, but throughout this particular "industry".

I'm gonna bring it up again, especially for the lurkers, the "nuhremberg" defense isn't. Chanting "I was just following orders" is not a get out of jail free card.

At one time the swaggering gestapo and SS were on top of the world, their wars on terrorism were oh-so justified, their wars on domestic "felons" were oh so legal and justified. You were "for them" or "against them". they had flags a-plenty everywhere, they were the glory of the fatherland. They did as they were told, because their "superiors" were gods, no longer men, they could order no wrong, so nothing they did was "wrong". It was all "legal", too, every single step of the way followed their "laws" and lawbreakers had to be punished.

Until their own little fantasyhell world they created and believed in came tumbling down around their shoulders.

Nuhremberg. Never forget.

195 posted on 03/16/2002 4:21:56 PM PST by zog
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To: Don Myers
As to knowing the future, I wouldn't trust myself with the knowledge anymore than I would anyone else, I suppose. We'll just have to watch it unfold and be grateful that we know a little of what to watch for.
196 posted on 03/16/2002 6:02:31 PM PST by Twodees
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To: muawiyah
"..The civil suits will ruin him and his wife and kids, and his friends and fellow agents..."

no tears shed here. Not for Braga at least.

It's time to clean house and if lawsuits are they leave us then so be it.

Shouldn't have to be this way. The FBI should clean their own house, but it's not going to happen.

197 posted on 03/16/2002 6:02:39 PM PST by Lloyd227
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To: gatex
bump for Joseph C. Schultz
199 posted on 03/16/2002 7:55:52 PM PST by Lloyd227
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To: zog
We are in agreement about many things, FWIW. Your website is really quite good, and you should make more people here aware of it.....
200 posted on 03/16/2002 8:07:47 PM PST by tracer
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