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FBI agents said to oppose inquiry (shooting of Eagle Scout in Maryland)
Baltimore Sun ^ | March 15, 2002 | Gail Gibson

Posted on 03/15/2002 6:22:07 AM PST by Mulder

Edited on 09/03/2002 4:50:06 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

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To: Twodees
Among the things that will occur is many people will betray their loved ones and their nation. This is a time of phony patriots and traitors.
201 posted on 03/16/2002 8:18:28 PM PST by Don Myers
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To: muawiyah
Yes, he was a US Marshall
202 posted on 03/16/2002 8:37:42 PM PST by antidemocommie
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To: antidemocommie
Lon Horiuchi was and is an FBI Special Agent. Saying that he was a US Marshal is as stupid as saying that Michael Jordan was really a member of the Harlem Globetrotters in the 90s and not the Bulls.

I don't know what secret frequency the fillings in your teeth are tuned to, but you need to call your imaginary CIA contacts and have them adjusted.

203 posted on 03/16/2002 10:00:02 PM PST by Travis McGee
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To: Don Myers
Yep, that's happening now. The schools teach our kids to be snitches and to put loyalty to government ahead of loyalty to family. There are plenty of people in elected and appointed office who will commit treason and get away with it during this undeclared war we're embarking on. All three branches of government are packed with false patriots.
204 posted on 03/17/2002 4:42:38 AM PST by Twodees
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To: daiuy
Re your #198...Like, Like who, like?
205 posted on 03/17/2002 5:08:51 AM PST by rmvh
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To: Mulder
The local police should have arrested Barga on the scene instead of letting him "whoop it up" with his buddies after he shot the kid.

Actually, based on his off-the-wall behavior, they should have done a drug screen, too.

206 posted on 03/17/2002 5:20:13 AM PST by Lion's Cub
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To: RocketWolf
Re your #27...Could you then please explain the " Clean Shoot" at the Little Bohemia Lodge where the feebs machinegunned innocent diners while Dillinger escaped out the back window ?

Of course.

The innocent diners were, in reality, dangerous KKK in league with the "bad-one", enjoying an evening aperitif before making deadly plans.

207 posted on 03/17/2002 5:21:49 AM PST by rmvh
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To: Mulder
. Their supervisor, Lynne A. Hunt, special agent in charge of the Baltimore office, was out of town and not available for comment.

She was probably in NYC,shopping for new shoes with Bubbette! and making sure her career was still on track.

208 posted on 03/17/2002 5:31:47 AM PST by sneakypete
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To: Mulder
I wounder if President Bush is "madder than heck" about this, like he was when one of his Royal Guards was kicked a commercial airliner?

Of course not.This doesn't affect the Royals in any way. Questioning one of the Palace Guards is almost like questioning Royalty theirselves,and this can't be allowed.

209 posted on 03/17/2002 5:36:00 AM PST by sneakypete
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To: csvset
Now that we've seen the picture of the victim, where's the picture of the trigger happy agent?

He's probably waiting for his ski mask to come back from the cleaners first.

210 posted on 03/17/2002 5:38:05 AM PST by sneakypete
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To: rmvh
What ever happened to the FBI that almost all Americans respected many decades ago....You know, the one under J Edgar Hoover

It never existed. It was all pure propoganda. They have always been lying,murdering bastards. They just owned the press due to Hoover's files,so no bad word was ever printed about them. Or even whispered.

who the Democrats, other socialists, and communists tarred and feathered with lies and deceit after his death so that they could gain control over this once marvelous organization?

HorseHillary! ALL they had to do was finally tell the truth about them. A truth you don't like,but a truth none the less. Hoover sent out hit squads to murder bank robbers like Bonnie and Clyde Barrow,Pretty Boy Floyd,and others. Not arrest,murder. Hoover also had proof of some of the communist spy's working in the White House with the Roosevelts,and never made even ONE arrest of these people. That is one example of how that old fairy remained in power for so long.

211 posted on 03/17/2002 5:44:27 AM PST by sneakypete
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To: Bikers4Bush
How in the world could an innocent person being shot EVER be considered a clean shoot?

Hey! It's not the Feebs fault if some suspect attacks one of their bullets with his face!

212 posted on 03/17/2002 5:46:10 AM PST by sneakypete
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To: Mulder
The local police should have arrested Barga on the scene instead of letting him "whoop it up" with his buddies after he shot the kid.

Not going to happen for several reasons,the two biggest being most local cops want to be Feebs themselves when/if they grow up,and the probability of the Feebs arresting THEM on some charge like "interfeering with a federal investigation". Cops suck up to political power,and the power here lies with the feral gooberment. Any local cop tries to arrest a Feeb,the calls will go out from the feral DNC,RNC,or both to the state Governor,and the Governor will then contact the local mayor. By the time it gets down to the Chief of Police who the mayor appointed,the cop who made the arrest would end up getting fired.

213 posted on 03/17/2002 5:52:01 AM PST by sneakypete
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To: jackbill
The last name is actually BRAGA.

Is that a "Holy Hispanic" (whatever the hell THAT is) name that makes him a special creature,or is it a Italian name,which means he can be fired and prosecuted?

214 posted on 03/17/2002 5:55:43 AM PST by sneakypete
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To: antidemocommie
Since the days of clinton, the FBI has been out of control.

They've been out of control since the day they were formed as a feral "SWAT" team back before the term even existed.

215 posted on 03/17/2002 5:58:08 AM PST by sneakypete
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To: cynicom
. I have seen nor heard of anything from Ashcroft either.

Maybe somebody should tell him one of the Feebs involved in this has giant aluminum breasts?

216 posted on 03/17/2002 6:03:45 AM PST by sneakypete
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To: Harrison Bergeron
My prediction stands. This ain't goin' the way of most FBI JBT shoots. Somebody's gonna get permanently sidelined, if not prosecuted to the fullest extent.

I'll believe that when I see it happen. The young man who was shot doesn't seem to have been related to any of the nobility,so they won't give a damn. Truth to tell,they would probably be happier if more "trash/nobody people" were shot to teach them the "proper respect" for their "betters".

217 posted on 03/17/2002 6:07:20 AM PST by sneakypete
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To: Squantos
Total reorganization or development of an entire new unit and the eventual disbanding of the FiBi's is all that will work IMHO.

Bubba Bush has already taken care of this when he created the new "Office of Reich Security" and named his old pal Tom "Heinrich" Ridge to run it. After all,isn't their job the same job the Feebs have traditionally done?

219 posted on 03/17/2002 6:15:04 AM PST by sneakypete
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To: Mulder
What was on that Communist "goals" list...oh yeah, #35...Discredit and eventually dismantle the FBI.
Easy enough to accomplish. Just get enough incompetents on the job so that it becomes a reality.
Case in point, this incident.
That's their story and they're sticking to it.
And "You're either with us or against us."
220 posted on 03/17/2002 6:26:22 AM PST by philman_36
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To: meia
"Check your history. The shooting of Randy Weavers wife occurred during the Bush the First administration."

Thank you for this post. Most here only love truth if it doesn't cut against the RePubs. One certainly cannot print truth about "Bush 'Jr.' or Sr." This is just as dishonest as Clinton is/was.

When does truth remain truth no matter? When do we call for the identical values from all camps? When does it get exposed even if it cuts both ways or even if it cuts the way we hate to see it go?

222 posted on 03/17/2002 6:49:19 AM PST by Spirited
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To: Spirited
You'll be happy to know the same ahole that was convicted of obstruction of justice in the Weaver trial was running the Waco seige!
223 posted on 03/17/2002 6:56:29 AM PST by Howie
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To: Twodees
"All three branches of government are packed with false patriots."

We have traitors within and enemies without. We are in trouble.

224 posted on 03/17/2002 6:58:12 AM PST by Don Myers
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To: Mulder

225 posted on 03/17/2002 7:01:08 AM PST by Howie
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To: muawiyah
Anyway, he needed a break. Mr. Braga clearly needs a break, and it looks like he's been the shooter in the last three gun incidents in that office.

A very interesting point. Can you supply any details references etc.? Now the fact that some serious juice may be behind the investigation has my curiosity piqued. Just who might Mr. schultz know be related to etc. who may have been on the recieving end of a message? My usuual experience is that unless someone is known directly by a mover/shaker or immediate family member of a mover/shaker there is not going to be a whole lot of interest in making big waves.

I note that you do seem to have some interesting contacts/phone numbers.

Stay well - Stay saf e- Stay armed - Yorktown

228 posted on 03/17/2002 7:25:45 AM PST by harpseal
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To: Mulder
It seems pretty clear at this point that there will be no justice -- until the day comes when the FBI and everyone that supports them get put up against a wall...
230 posted on 03/17/2002 7:37:43 AM PST by Blade
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To: D Joyce
Oh, I think it could be done.
231 posted on 03/17/2002 7:38:21 AM PST by Don Myers
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To: antidemocommie
"Yes, he was a US Marshall...."

Propaganda -- present evidence.

Present evidence Louis Freeh was lying when he refered to Hourichi as an FBI agent in this report ---

A Report to the American People on the Work of the FBI, 1993 - 1998, by Louis J. Freeh Director

Quote---"In 1998, all of us in the FBI were gratified to learn that a federal court dismissed the criminal charges brought against Special Agent Lon Horiuchi arising out of the events at Ruby Ridge, Idaho, in 1992...."

[note--appeals court said Hourichi could be tried, but newly elected prosecutor in Idaho decided to not try Horiuchi].

232 posted on 03/17/2002 8:19:49 AM PST by gatex
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To: gatex
True enough the Ruby Ridge situation started out with U. S. Marshalls abusing travel and per diem regulations and standards, but it ended up with an FBI firing team banging away at the baby.

Lon was brought in to hit the target. He's supposed to be one of the FBI's top snipers.

What none of us knew about him when he was a little boy was that he was sociopathic. It just didn't show.

233 posted on 03/17/2002 8:27:42 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: sneakypete
Ive seen em forming "response" hazard teams w/ chem, bio and EOD sorts kinda like FEMA on steroids but I haven't seen em doing "investigative" door kicker duty yet. Are they doing that ? Not doing that ?? I don't know. Trust your sources though.

Which ever way it turns out were screwed, glued and tattooed as the camel has his nose under the tent flap now (problem is he's all the way in the tent looking out to his next destination IMHO )

Stay Safe !

234 posted on 03/17/2002 8:45:14 AM PST by Squantos
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To: muawiyah
"...Ruby Ridge situation started out with U. S. Marshalls abusing travel and per diem regulations and standards, ...."

Let's not forget that the U.S. Marshalls made a false report, lied to the grand jury, lied to the court --- and then claimed immunity for lying.

[documented in court case linked in post 151 ].

Horiuch also put out false propaganda that Randy Weaver was wouned in the back, from ambush, because he pointed a rifle at a helicopter. [ Horiuchi would not say this under oath in court ---see link in post 151]. let us not forget that Horiuchi shot Randy Weaver in the back and killed Vicki Weaver from ambush --- the FBI had not announced their presence or asked anyone to surrender---[ documented in court case in post 151 ].

235 posted on 03/17/2002 8:52:53 AM PST by gatex
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To: Squantos
steroids but I haven't seen em doing "investigative" door kicker duty yet. Are they doing that ? Not doing that ?? I don't know.

They HAVE to have them. You can have all the investigators and technicians in the world,but it does no good uless you have enforcement teams to back up your policies with muscle.

236 posted on 03/17/2002 10:30:54 AM PST by sneakypete
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To: muawiyah


Martin

I joined the Army and took the service exam. They found my psych results fit a certain profile. A certain "Moral flexibility" would be the best way to describe it.... I was loaned out to a CIA-sponsored program. It's called "mechanical operations." We sort of found each other....

DEBI

You're a government spook?


MARTIN

I was, but no... yes... I was before, but now I'm not. It's irrelevant, really. The idea of governments, nations, it's mostly a public relations theory at this point, anyway. But I'll tell you something, until about five months ago, I really enjoyed my work.

DEBI
Jesus Christ!

MARTIN

Then I started losing my taste for it. Which usually means your time is up. But then I realized it was something entirely different.... I started getting the sneaking, dark suspicion that maybe there was... meaning to life.

DEBI

Okay. Great, Martin, that's just great. Meaning to life... Mmm....

MARTIN

Like, that there's a point? An organic connection between all living things.

DEBI

Let me help you along, Martin. You're a sociopath!

MARTIN
(defensive)

A sociopath kills for no reason. I kill for money.



From Grosse Pointe Blank
237 posted on 03/17/2002 10:31:17 AM PST by the
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To: sneakypete
Re your #211...They (the FBI)have always been lying,murdering bastards..

I hear you!!!A local police chief here , in 1936, murdered a jailed convict to preventself self-incrimination....the only serious act to date. Why, would you believe it?...These local "murdering basrards" are still fielding a small police force in the year 2002....66 years later! Can you imagine?

Why, you and I should be looking for human perfection in any police and anti-criminal organization....It is essential that each and every agent should be faultless in their excellence, God-like....just as you or I would be!!

Everyone knows that all FBI agents, clearly, have criminal tendencies. Ruby Ridge and Waco could have been acomplished by any of the some 10,000 plus agents active, hired, and retired in the intervening period.....non-of whom have any loyalty to country, honor, or personal integrity!


238 posted on 03/17/2002 11:01:40 AM PST by rmvh
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To: the
Bill collecting is similar, but they do owe the money!

I always liked the guys who said "but gee I will go bankrupt and all these people will be out of work". True enough, they'll go bankrupt, but all that means is the property gets a new owner and the employees get new jobs.

Sociopaths don't care about any of that.

239 posted on 03/17/2002 11:23:27 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: Mulder
A good shooting???? Did the kid point a gun at the agent???Then how can they say it was a good shooting.

Please don't tell me that this former Marine, combat veteran, etc. etc. etc. was frightened by this kid unbuckling his seat belt.

If what this investigator says is true, 'your either for us or against us' put me down for against.

Unbelievable

240 posted on 03/17/2002 11:41:35 AM PST by Cap'n Crunch
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To: rmvh
Everyone knows that all FBI agents, clearly, have criminal tendencies.

I was clearly writing about the Feeb leadership,and the reason they were formed. Yet for some reason you want to try to twist this into a blanket accussation against every agent who ever worked for them. I wonder why?

241 posted on 03/17/2002 11:46:39 AM PST by sneakypete
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To: D Joyce
Yep, and they don't even have the decency to quit their jobs. I guess it's ok to protect and serve until someone with an M4 shows up claiming to trumpt your jurisdiction in your own town.

The federal bank robbery law needs to be repealed. No federal agency should ever be empowered to usurp the authority of local LE except in the federal crimes specified in the Constitution. Bank robbery should remain a state offense only.

242 posted on 03/18/2002 12:21:00 AM PST by Twodees
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To: Uncle Bill
Hey UB, please put a letter in your bank vault or with your lawyer or someplace that will be opened at your death informing all that you are Uncle Bill of FR and your unfortunate death by unknown gunmen just may have highly questionable causes. My commendations on your research and postings.
243 posted on 03/19/2002 3:22:05 PM PST by mercy
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To: mercy
anyone hear or read any more about this incident??
244 posted on 03/27/2002 3:52:58 PM PST by BronzePencil
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To: BronzePencil
Here you go
245 posted on 04/10/2002 9:08:59 PM PDT by Teacher317
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To: Teacher317
thanks
246 posted on 04/11/2002 9:11:10 AM PDT by BronzePencil
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To: Mulder
http://www.freerepublic.com/fo cus/news/709857/posts?page=1
247 posted on 07/02/2002 4:08:39 PM PDT by NC_Libertarian
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To: ctdonath2
This case is plainly a "dirty shoot" because the boy was told to get out of the car, and simply was unbuckling his seat belt: he was following directions and made no furtive movement.

Is this a case where seat belts KILL ?

I dread the day when I get stopped. If by the time the officer comes to the door I have gotten and opened my wallet I would have had to undo my seat belt. Would I now be cited for a seat belt violation?

248 posted on 10/08/2002 9:34:39 AM PDT by George from New England
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