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To: Abundy
They are definately due for retirement (not killing, just get them out of the FBI)

Actually I am not thrilled that by retiring from the civil service they will continue to collect tax dollars. However, it has yet to be shown that they will be removed from their jobs. The Braga needs to face criminal charges. If he was not the one who decided to forego Felony stop procedures and protocols then the agent who made that decision should also face trial. In short heads should roll administratively at the minimum.

The bigger problem is the us versus them attitude where the them is anyone not a part of the FBI. When I was discussing rule .308 I was discussing the logical consequence of their actions and attitude. These logical consequences could be prevented by prompt and severe mangerial action within the FBI and/or by action from the criminal justice system. however, if this attitude and the actions that allegedly flowed from this attitude are not abated and promptly then the consequences will happen as surely as the tide rises and falls.

In this particular case there is a litany of misbehavior by FBI agents. It starts with questionable behavior in even stopping the car they stopped. It continues with failure to use felony stop procedures. It continues with allegations that the agents denied prompt medical assistance to the injured man. It is exacerbated by the celebration (agin alleged not admitted yet) after the shoot. Now we are seeing other agents attempting to intimidate an independant investigator who is himself a former FBI agent. What is next a midnight raid and arrest of the yound woman who was also in the car? Maybe she will just disappear that would be a very helpful coincidence wouldn't it. Maybe those who critique the FBI procedures in this case need some friendly persuasion from some of the other agents of this office?

They have started down this road and what I pointed out is where this road leads. The consequences I described are but some of the many. No, I was not calling for any physical harm to anyone. I was merely pointing out what we may expect if things are not changed significantly and soon. The next move is up to the FBI I am hoping they will not just sweep the board off the table.

Stay well - Stay saf e- Stay armed - Yorktown

42 posted on 03/15/2002 8:52:11 AM PST by harpseal
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To: harpseal
harp...

The air-tight "explanation" of this affair is in place. That was done before they released the perps name.

We may all rest assured that the "justification" for the shooting will entail the victim and or his friend as having said or done something, whereby the shooter feared for his life. All of this CYA is set in concrete and ALL of the perps present will spout the same line.

45 posted on 03/15/2002 9:09:47 AM PST by cynicom
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To: harpseal
All the Staat Sekuritat (FBI) needs to do to shut witnesses up is follow them around in SUVs, and bump into them on sidewalks and so on. Very, very effective, and if they complain, they will be painted as a paranoid.
138 posted on 03/15/2002 9:41:05 PM PST by Travis McGee
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To: harpseal
Regarding #42...can't argue with your analysis. It's a shame that those in charge over at the Hoover building can't get past their Hubris in order to understand that they would feel exactly the same way if they weren't part of the elite. I'm afraid they will never come to understand their proper role in society until it is too late.
157 posted on 03/16/2002 6:24:18 AM PST by Abundy
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