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Fighting Whities Mascot Causes Stir
Associated Press | Saturday, March 16, 2002 | By NICK WADHAMS

Posted on 03/16/2002 4:07:20 AM PST by JohnHuang2

DENVER (AP) - The idea started among some University of Northern Colorado students as a satirical commentary on a local high school's American Indian mascot.

The students named their intramural basketball team, made up of American Indians, Hispanics and whites, ``The Fighting Whities.'' They printed up jerseys saying ``Every thang's going to be all white,'' with a caricature of a middle-aged white man.

``The Fighting Whities,'' however, have taken on a life of their own.

More than 1,600 e-mails have flooded into the university in Greeley, north of Denver. Some say it's about time that a white person is made a mascot for a sport team. Others complain the idea as perpetuating yet another racial stereotype.

``It's obvious some of the people are taking it the way it's not supposed to be taken,'' said team member Jeff VanIwarden.

Team members have gotten phone calls from around the country and invitations to appear on television. They were mentioned by Jay Leno on the Tonight Show on Tuesday. The American Indian Movement has weighed in supporting the name.

The team chose the name after it couldn't persuade nearby Eaton High School to abandon its nickname, the Fightin' Reds, and the American Indian caricature on the team logo. The students say the logo is offensive.

The school superintendent denies the logo is derogatory and called the group's criticism insulting.

Some e-mails said the mascot image should be even more derogatory than a middle-aged white man with a tie.

``Some people online were saying that the mascot should be ... a fat guy with buckteeth kissing his sister,'' said Tom Crebbs of Oakland, Calif., who heard about the idea and started his own Web site selling spin-off shirts, hats and mugs.

Others, like Michael Gonsalves of New York, disagreed: ``If you are fighting against a perceived injustice, is the proper recourse to go out and do the very same thing?''

With all the publicity, the team plans on printing new T-shirts. VanIwarden said they will have a message condemning racial stereotypes to dissuade people from making light of the shirt.

On the Net:

The University of Northern Colorado: http://www.unco.edu

The American Indian Movement: http://www.aimovement.org


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To: Bryan
Oskee-wow-wow, dude.
21 posted on 03/16/2002 5:05:07 AM PST by Erasmus
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To: JohnHuang2
... ``The Fighting Whities.'' They printed up jerseys saying ``Every thang's going to be all white,'' with a caricature of a middle-aged white man ...
Is this supposed to offend me? to teach me a moral object lesson? All it does is make me laugh hysterically.
23 posted on 03/16/2002 5:07:16 AM PST by Asclepius
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To: What Is Ain't
Might as well buy a shirt ---it doesn't sound like this politically correct group can figure out much but to help the whites. If this mascot had been thought up by a white group, it would have been banned.
24 posted on 03/16/2002 5:29:44 AM PST by FITZ
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To: rface
Either way, I am sure these racial activists will be happy to take $$ for the shirts.

I'm sure some enterprising person will produce a batch of bootleg shirts. Since the graphic is all over the net, you could make iron-on transfers with special paper on an ink-jet printer

25 posted on 03/16/2002 5:39:53 AM PST by SauronOfMordor
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To: SauronOfMordor
I'm white and it's alright. The shirt's a good joke on them and I would like one of my own.
26 posted on 03/16/2002 5:43:38 AM PST by Thebaddog
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To: JohnHuang2
Some radio DJ's in Denver are on a campaign to have the school change their mascot name to:

The Beavers!

It's getting funny. They want to see the new cheerleader uniforms.

27 posted on 03/16/2002 5:59:20 AM PST by gortklattu
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To: SpookBrat
Whitie, cracker, honky BUMP!

I'll add "paleface" and "gringo" to that bump.

28 posted on 03/16/2002 6:07:41 AM PST by Marauder
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To: pocat
Is that the real t-shirt image or is it one you made up? This "craze" will be short lived if that is the T-shirt.
29 posted on 03/16/2002 6:11:06 AM PST by BJungNan
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To: CWRWinger
I wish I had one of those t-shirts to wear while participating the Confederate Battle Flag/Southern Heritage event today.

Man, talk about getting something started. No one could justifiably say anything about the shirts, since they were printed and sold by another minority.

OTOH, nobody ever accused the NAALCP of embracing concepts such as logic, fairness, or balance ... or equality.

30 posted on 03/16/2002 6:15:21 AM PST by Marauder
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To: Erasmus
I just ain't no aboriginal Murrican.

Actually, there are no aboriginal Americans, only "I got here before or after you did" Americans. This is something American Indians don't like to admit. Many groups do all they can to suppress any acknowledgement that their ancestors came over from Asia or elsewhere because their scheme for being special requires them to have been here from the creation of the world (ab-origin).
31 posted on 03/16/2002 6:19:08 AM PST by aruanan
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To: JohnHuang2
``Some people online were saying that the mascot should be ... a fat guy with buckteeth kissing his sister,'' said Tom Crebbs of Oakland, Calif."

But that's not a Whitie...that's a REDneck!

BWAAAAAAAAAAH!

32 posted on 03/16/2002 6:27:54 AM PST by rvoitier
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To: JohnHuang2
I kinda like "The Fighting Honkies"
33 posted on 03/16/2002 6:29:09 AM PST by sandmanbr
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To: JohnHuang2
Finally, my own team. I'm truly honored and want to thank my father, my mother, and all those who have stood by me to this point in my life.

(I'll take the Whities AND the points for a hundred.)

34 posted on 03/16/2002 6:29:14 AM PST by savedbygrace
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To: savedbygrace; JohnHuang2
Wait, this thread IS about me, isn't it?
35 posted on 03/16/2002 6:30:16 AM PST by savedbygrace
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To: JohnHuang2
I heard a radio interview yesterday with someone representing "The University". I didn't get in at the beginning so I don't know the person's title or position. Every sentence this person uttered contained several "you know" statements. I think that "The University" should be more concerned with education than mascot colors.
36 posted on 03/16/2002 6:35:35 AM PST by FreePaul
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To: SubMareener
"What these wonderful folks have done is point out the truth! There never was any injustice in these mascot names!"

Like mascots were chosen as something to be ashamed of! Schools and teams choose mascots they can respect, admire, emulate. No insult or pejorative was ever intended - duh. More than 80% of Native Americans understand this and see no insult in traditional mascots. Just another hysterical lib non-issue.

37 posted on 03/16/2002 6:41:01 AM PST by Let's Roll
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To: BJungNan
Yep.
38 posted on 03/16/2002 6:49:31 AM PST by pocat
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To: Asclepius
This is the funniest post I've ever seen here, some people just gotta lighten up...
39 posted on 03/16/2002 6:54:46 AM PST by NYCop
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To: aruanan
Actually, there are no aboriginal Americans, only "I got here before or after you did" Americans. This is something American Indians don't like to admit. Many groups do all they can to suppress any acknowledgement that their ancestors came over from Asia or elsewhere because their scheme for being special requires them to have been here from the creation of the world (ab-origin).

There was an interesting program, I think it was Discovery Network, which proposed that the current Native Americans were not the first homo-sapiens to arrive in this hemisphere. Some archeologists have uncovered evidence that there were groups which preceded them (I think from Polynesia), and which were gradually slaughtered by the newer (i.e., our current) "Native Americans." Remnants of this original group fled farther and farther south, and the scientists found their genetic descendants down in Tierra del Fuego.

If true, this puts a damper on the Politically Correct depiction of the kind, peace-loving, gentle Native American tribes being wiped out by the EVIL Europeans.

40 posted on 03/16/2002 6:57:23 AM PST by COBOL2Java
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