The cross: A symbol, but of what?

AP via Providence Journal ^ | 3/16/02 | RICHARD N. OSTLING

[CCWoody]

and by saying so youve tried to draw me closer to Christ how?

You must be laboring under the mistaken impression that it is our purpose or our function to draw men to Christ.

• John 6:44 "No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him;...
• John 6:65 And He said, "Therefore I have said to you that no one can come to Me unless it has been granted to him by My Father."

Perhaps you could bring forth your verse and we could discuss that specific verse.

[Revelation 911]

Woody please - Is it not a Christians responsibility to share the Word of God and win souls for Christ-

Sell it to me like I am a brand new Christian without denigrating Arminians

[OrthodoxPresbyterian]

But don't tell me that a Christian would use the language that he did to Woody. I ain't buying it.

Wouldn't try to. We will each of us have our own private opinions about the spiritual state of others on the thread. My only request is that Calvinists will only publicly identify those holding to Fatal Heresy as definitely being Non-Believers. In this way we may easily distinguish between those who we preach Warning, and those to whom we preach Correction.

As to the private doubt of his regeneration to which his bad-spirited language might provoke you, I know where you are coming from. It's just a matter of choosing which battles we want to fight, and/or how we are going to fight them, that's all.

best,
OP

[la$tminutepardon]

You are right and I must go to work. Whatever he needs, he has come to the right place and we all know who sends them over. He is in good hands with you and Mom and Woody and Jerry.

[RnMomof7]

We are indeed made in the Image of the One triune God.We are tri part beings just as the one in who's image we are made..We are Body, soul and spirit..

Lots of luck trying to figure out how you are made and exact image of 3 seperate gods..

[RnMomof7]

Sell it to me like I am a brand new Christian without denigrating Arminians

I am bumping this to OP .because one time I remember him making a comment on there needing to be an amount of spiritual maturity before some one can "grasp" the doctrine..

I think that all of us would present the gospel of the cross and the empty tomb..in the same way..we are talking here not of milk for new babes ..but meat for those with teeth.. ..

[Jean Chauvin]

"Jeans out -..."

Nope, I was just interested in getting you to return to the facts.

Jean

[RnMomof7]

Scripture is for those with teeth..not the blind and toothless..

ANTHROPOMORPHISMS:

Dick and Jane said Run Spot Run..the writers of the Bible tried to use words that would make God understandable.

[CCWoody]

Woody please - Is it not a Christians responsibility to share the Word of God and win souls for Christ-

• Matthew 24:14 "And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come."

It is my joy to preach the gospel of the kingdom of God and trust that God will call unto Salvation His elect. It works like this:

• Mark 1:14-15 Now after John was put in prison, Jesus came to Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God, and saying, "The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand. Repent, and believe in the gospel."
• 2 Thess 3:13-14 But we are bound to give thanks to God always for you, brethren beloved by the Lord, because God from the beginning chose you for salvation through sanctification by the Spirit and belief in the truth, to which He called you by our gospel, for the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Therefore,...

I say that from the foundation of the world God had envisioned a special and particular people for Himself to display the greatness and majesty of His glory by bestowing grace where we deserved none. He has hunted us with the zeal of His whole heart and soul, sparing not even the Lamb of God who was slain from the foundation of the world. Therefore, if any man feels the great burden of His sin, he should repent and believe.

And I don't worry if I am offensive to anyone just as Christ did not worry if He was offensive in preaching the gospel:

• John 6:65-68 And He said, "Therefore I have said to you that no one can come to Me unless it has been granted to him by My Father."
  From that time many of His disciples went back and walked with Him no more.
  Then Jesus said to the twelve, "Do you also want to go away?"
  Then Siman Peter answered Him, "Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life.

  So, If anyone has an ear, let him hear.

Sell it to me like I am a brand new Christian without denigrating Arminians.

Let us straighten out something real quick. Show me where I am denigrating Arminians.

[Revelation 911]

Show me where I am denigrating Arminians.

Woody - take a few deep breaths - I said sell me Calvinism without denigrating Arminians- thats something entirely different -and I think you know that -

[Revelation 911]

Nope, I was just interested in getting you to return to the facts.

yet I dont hear a sales pitch

BTW - with the "pearls" post -"This, my friend, for all the world to see, is quite juvenile arguing tactics"

are you doing a SNL "superior" dance yet? - trust me, youre done in this conversation as far as Im concerned

[CCWoody]

Sorry, I have assumed an implication where you say there is none.

[Revelation 911]

Sorry, I have assumed an implication where you say there is none.

no prob

[Jean Chauvin]

"yet I dont hear a sales pitch"

No need to. Only need to preach Christ crucified. The Holy Spirit will do the 'selling'.

"BTW - with the "pearls" post -"This, my friend, for all the world to see, is quite juvenile arguing tactics""

And your point is?

"are you doing a SNL "superior" dance yet?..."

Not interested

"- trust me, youre done in this conversation as far as Im concerned"

OP can handle himself just fine, it's you I was worried about. But now that we can see you have left the facts again and are resorting to personal attacks -I'm not much interested either.

Jean

[Revelation 911]

We have poop all over us remember? You may not want to hug us

I dont see any poop from here - just some really tight BVD's on a few

[restornu]

I love your cat & mouce sluging it out!

"redhots"

[Revelation 911]

"redhots"

did you end up ordering any?

[restornu]

Not yet, but when things get a little more settled I will,
My husband passed away in Dec. and I am still adjusting.

Thanks for the address and I am trying to get
a major produce market here, to handle the " R & W Hot's".
I called them and told them I would fax information to them.

I know by April or May I will order them.
I also think the mustard might be an important part of the fixin's.

[Matchett-PI]

".. don't tell me that a Christian would use the language that he did to Woody.."

I didn't see the post that you're referring to, but here is a little of the type of shorthand I use for evaluating spiritual maturity/immaturity:

Show me a Christian who can't say "damn", and I'll show you a neurotic legalist.

[restornu]

I didn't see that man before,
who is he and what is he saying,
looks like preacher?

What a tongue where do you get that stuff.