Killing Gentiles

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[boltfromblue]

OK, I think you just used the term as others before you had misapplied it to others than Communists, which goes to prove my point it confused others like you, as it was intended to. I picked up on it as a FR poster prone to associate with those who ARE known to associate and have aligned with Communists (and ostensibly with conservatives to get them on board the Israeli train) like "taxhater" to mention only one, said she did not travel in the same company . Do you actually talk about your friends and associates as fellow travelers travelinjg together? If so, you use a contaminated phrase.:^)

[TopQuark]

Arabs are much more straightforward and sincere,

Thanks for a great laugh! Arabs, among whom speaking from both sides of the mouth is praised since times immemorial as wisdom and maturity, are... straightforward. Arabs, where switching sides and reneging on deals is routine and viewed as a signature of a statesman, are... sincere.

This is so touching, I would be in tears it I could stop laughing.

This post of boltfromblue should have ended the thread: I do not know what anyone can say to top this.

[hinckley buzzard]

Thanks for the link to ihr.org. I haven't been familiar with Joe Sobran before, and therefore didn't have an opinion on his good faith or lack of it.

But seeing the people he cites as sources tells me all I need to know about him.

Fortunately, strong doses of sunlight typically kill off this kind of fungal growth.

[boltfromblue]

Of course, like many Jews I know and here on these threads, they are clearly duplicitous, as indeed you are when you deceptively attribute my words, "wisdom and maturity," which I attributed to the founders of our country and NOT to Arabs. So you better think twice about laughing as anyone can see it for themselves. If I had read one fair assessment of the Israeli situation here, I would not have posted this. Go, non-biased blind ones, to see the Washington Journal interview and questions to the Lebanese ambassador on C-span this Sunday when it is up and you might learn a thing or two, but I believe others already went out of interest in finding the other side's truths from this historian as well, a student at UCLA. I do not doubt that Afgan fighters switch sides, as they see who makes a better local leade, where all politics should reside, methinks, or we will pay a far dearer price for misjudgment regardihg creating entangling alliances, such as we have with Israel.
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[Sabramerican]

Forward, it made no sense, so I tried to read what you wrote backwards, and guess what? It says "Paul is dead". Go figure.

[Prodigal Daughter]

He should change his name to "boltsofbloopers".

[boltfromblue]

You people have no brains in action so you post inanities.

[dennisw]

When are going to factor in the 800,000 Jewish refugees kicked out of Arab nations? You are the duplicitous one who allies himself with the Islamic Jihad against Israel.

[boltfromblue]

Good Lord, I have always factored in that it actually was a preference, when Israel intruded on Arab land with its state, thus inciting riots against Jews, and there WAS an exchange of Jews to Israel and Arabs to Arab lands by AGREEMENT, that property was exchanged as well. However, only the Arabs compensated the Jews for their properties, NOT the Israelis, the Arabs. Get that into focus as freedom and independence for Palestinians is far more important than Israelis, again unfairly, attempting to acquire more land.

[dennisw]

However, only the Arabs compensated the Jews for their properties, NOT the Israelis, the Arabs. 

That's just so much nonsense! What planet are you on?

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TIME EUROPE
August 14, 2000, Vol. 156 No. 7

http://www.time.com/time/europe/
magazine/2000/0814/refugees.html

The Other Side of the Refugee Coin
Jews driven from their homes in Arab countries gain hope of compensation
By MATTHEW REES Jerusalem

The last time Munira Mussafe saw her elegant house on the banks of the Tigris, it was through her tears. She and her family had to flee Iraq in 1951, leaving a spice warehouse burned out in anti-Jewish riots, a safe full of banknotes and jewels, and dozens of expensive, handmade Persian carpets. From prosperity in Baghdad, Mussafe and husband Salim brought their six children to a life of miserable poverty in the new state of Israel. Every day, Mussafe lamented the riches she left behind, even as Salim struggled to run a small dairy farm in the coastal town of Herzliya. Her daughter Judith, who fought decades of depression over the decline in her parents' status, hanged herself in 1988. Mussafe, 78, knows she can never recover the house or her daughter, but she believes new moves in the peace process with the Palestinians may help her win back the $2 million in cash and assets she left behind. "It's coming to me, just like it's coming to the Palestinians," she says. "Every refugee should be compensated."

Mussafe has a powerful ally in President Bill Clinton. In an interview with Israeli television, Clinton said the failed Camp David summit, which ended two weeks ago, at least brought good news for the more than 580,000 Jews who immigrated to Israel from Arab countries. Palestinian negotiators agreed that these Jewish refugees should be compensated for the property they left behind or were forced to give up, he said. The President's comments reopened a little-noted but highly nettlesome area of dispute between Israel and the Palestinians which is sure to take on even greater urgency as the two sides move toward a final settlement. As the Palestinians negotiate for billions of dollars in compensation for their refugees, Israel will press for billions more to be paid to the Jews from Arab countries, probably by the kind of international fund suggested in Clinton's remarks. If the compensation is forthcoming, it could help the Israeli government sell an entire peace deal to voters of Middle Eastern and North African origin, who are a slight majority among Israelis. They're also largely right-wing and usually suspicious of prospective agreements with Arabs. "It will be very important," says Justice Minister Yossi Beilin. "It could help people accept the agreement. It would be something tangible."

Jews all over the Arab world faced persecution, fear and anti-Semitic attacks after the establishment of Israel in 1948. Communities that were 2,000 years old packed up en masse in the following few years and moved to Israel. Some of the expulsions were accompanied by government seizures of property, from the Iraqi regime in 1951 to Muammar Gaddafi's Libya in 1972. The Jews left behind them small goldsmiths stores on the Street Called Straight in Damascus and rich Italianate villas in Alexandria. According to Mordechai Ben-Porat, a former parliamentarian who, as a Mossad agent, helped bring refugees out of Iraq, the value today of the property abandoned or confiscated would be about $15 billion. That would dwarf the $1.25 billion compensation pledged by Swiss banks to Holocaust victims. Unlike the Palestinian refugees who were often kept in poverty by their Arab hosts and in some cases denied the right to find jobs outside their squalid camps, Jews from Arab countries were given citizenship in their new land. Still, these Jews, known as Mizrahis from the Hebrew word for east, faced discrimination from the European élite in Israel and lived in rough camps of tents and tin shacks. The towns that grew around those camps remain Israel's poorest neighborhoods. "We struggled to convince the world that there is another side to the refugee coin in this region," says Oved Ben-Ozair, chairman of the World Organization of Jews from Arab Countries, a group based in Tel Aviv. "With Clinton's statement, we succeeded."

The Palestinians argue it's the other side of a completely different coin and that most of the Jews came to Israel out of Zionist conviction, rather than as true refugees. Adel Dajani left his father's home in West Jerusalem's German Colony in 1948 when he was 17, fleeing the battle that raged then for the city. Now a retired banker who lives in Amman, Jordan, Dajani recently took his wife and daughter to the ornate sandstone house on a leafy street renamed Zvi Graetz, after a nineteenth century biblical scholar. The Israeli woman who lives there today had herself fled from Iraq. Briefly, she let Dajani inside. "I was taken by the shivers," he says. Despite the efforts of Yasser Arafat's negotiators, Dajani expects to receive little compensation for the 16 houses his family left in Jerusalem, and he believes the Jews who fled Arab lands should get nothing either. "A lot of them left of their own free will, not under the gun like us." Palestinian officials at the peace talks agreed to the idea of compensation for the Mizrahi Jews only on condition, they say, that the money comes out of an international fund. They fear Israel will try to cancel out at least some of what it owes the Palestinian refugees by netting it against payments due their Jewish counterparts. They are suspicious, too, that Israel will cite the estimated $11 billion it spent over four decades integrating the Jewish refugees to further cut the cash it will hand over to the Palestinians.

Many of the Mizrahi Jews harbor the same suspicion. They believe they may never see their compensation and that the Israeli government only floated the idea to trim its potential obligations to the Palestinians. "It's an elegant stunt by the Israeli government," says Yehouda Shenhav, a Tel Aviv University professor. They'd better hope Clinton isn't in on the trick.

 

[TopQuark]

Forward, it made no sense, so I tried to read what you wrote backwards, and guess what? It says "Paul is dead". Go figure. I had the same difficulty.

I guess the medication must have worn off...

[Burkeman1]

That is a laugh riot! Jews kicked out of Arab and Islamic lands were compensated? Really- I would love to meet one of these compensated Jews from any Arab or Islamic country. Where do they live now- the section of your brain that is also responsible for fantasy creation?

[Poohbah]

Well, at least Sobran has fellow travelers who have infested FR. And they are myriad.

Not really; they're more Hindu (they reincarnate).

[boltfromblue]

That piece of information was contained in dennisw's post, not your fantasyland.

[xm177e2]

None of DennisW's posts say that.