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War on terrorism a threat to liberty?
Washington Times ^ | Thursday, March 21, 2002 | Paul Craig Roberts

Posted on 03/21/2002 1:20:09 AM PST by JohnHuang2

Edited on 07/12/2004 3:52:11 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

The war on terror is creating media attention and fund-raising opportunities for conservative organizations. It is also creating confusion of thought among conservatives and, thereby, opportunities for more centralized government power and a police state.

Too many Americans are coming to accept that a successful war on terror requires a police state in whole or part.


(Excerpt) Read more at washtimes.com ...


TOPICS: Editorial; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: dixielist; silenceamerica; vcrlist
Thursday, March 21, 2002

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1 posted on 03/21/2002 1:20:09 AM PST by JohnHuang2
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To: JohnHuang2
one word answer: SMALLPOX
2 posted on 03/21/2002 2:07:53 AM PST by LadyDoc
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To: JohnHuang2
Conservatives should rethink their enthusiasm for the police state methods of the war on terror while there is still time.

better check your clock again .... times up

3 posted on 03/21/2002 2:29:20 AM PST by THEUPMAN
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To: THEUPMAN
The laws are in place. The bunglers haven't been able to get their ducks in a row. Incompetence has given us all some relief.
4 posted on 03/21/2002 2:56:27 AM PST by meenie
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To: meenie;CFW;JohnHuang2;LadyDoc;
A bed time story from KEEP and BEAR ARMS

When The Chips Are Down
by
Jack Duggan
The selling point for the microchips is that they can be implanted beneath the skin, so cannot be stolen. They can be used to access ATM's, pay bills, sign contracts, verify your identity -- all without your wallet -- and locate lost or kidnaped children. Should you, yourself, become lost or disabled, a global array of satellites will locate you, or any person who has been implanted with a SIM (Subdermally Implanted Microchip) anywhere on the planet.

A SIM can contain complete, valuable medical data about its wearer, saving lives in trauma cases. It can also carry the wearer's criminal record, voting record, party affiliation, and level of access to government facilities and benefits, all without the wearer knowing exactly what's in there. Citizens will just have to take the government's word that everything is kosher.

Eventually, governments will insist that all citizens have SIMs. You will not be able to use your bank, open home utility accounts, nor sign contracts unless fitted with a SIM, for "security purposes."

One day, your car won't start and you won't be able to get a tow truck nor money to repair it, because it seems that your SIM chip is down. The bank's ATM won’t accept your SIM's code, yet you see it accepting the SIM's of other customers.

Your spouse will call from the grocery store, saying her chip also isn't working and she can't buy food for the kids. Once, stores accepted both cash and SIM's, but by edict of the Federal Reserve System, no one may use cash nor credit cards any more. All for reasons of "national security," of course.

After hours of begging a government agency for an answer, it will turn out that a 20 year old clerk in Scumpond, Mass., put a hold on your whole family's chips because of an unpaid parking ticket attributed to your vehicle's license plate number.

You shout that you have never even been to Scumpond, Mass., but it falls on deaf ears. You are told that you will have to take the matter up with Ms. Dumklerk in person. You telephone the Scumpond City Hall Department of Revenue from your neighbor's home, as your own phone was just shut off because of your "criminal status." They tell you that Ms. Dumklerk is on a leave of absence, so you'll just have to be patient until she returns. No one else can help you, because Ms. Dumklerk encrypted access to all her files with her SIM code, which is against procedure, but they never had time to train her properly because they are underfunded and overworked.

You are told to call back in a four weeks, when Ms. Dumclerk might be back from the rain forest. Sorry.

Unable to buy or sell, you turn to family, friends and neighbors for aid. You need a car to get to work, food, diapers, milk, a kerosene heater for your house and candles, since the electric bill couldn't be paid.

Your parents try to help, but they are immediately warned at the cash-less register in the store that they are not allowed to exceed their "fair share" in purchasing food and hardware for an elderly couple, which has already been calculated by the U.S. Department of Earth First. Sadly, they give you what little excess they had in their pantry, but it will only help your family for two days. Ditto for your few friends and neighbors. After surrendering their small hordes, most give excuses, because they know what it means to fall under the scrutiny of the government for exceeding their "fair share" of the planet's resources, as scientifically defined by U.C. Berkeley.

After two weeks, the baby is whining for milk, the children are begging for food and your wife can't stop crying. You no longer can use a phone to call Scumpond. Your neighbor just told you that his telephone is off limits, since you caused it to exceed the time allotment authorized by the U.S. Department of Communications Conservation. He is now himself under resource scrutiny.

Desperate, with no options left, you remember the old unregistered pistol buried beneath your bedroom floorboards. Never in your life did you think you would stoop this low, but the baby is now screaming non-stop.

Associated Press
Trenton, New Jersey
Trenton Herald
Tuesday, November 25
A typically over-breeding Trenton terrorist, a father of six, was caught approaching an unnamed convenience store on Broad Street with a concealed weapon. Automated sensors sent an alarm to the Trenton Federal P.D. who immediately surrounded and arrested the terrorist. Fortunately, there were several TFPD agents in plainclothes within one block of the incident. As federal policy dictates, the terrorist's name is being withheld for national security purposes. He will be sent to the island of Guam for a trial by a U.S. Military Tribunal to determine all his accomplices and then be executed. As is mandated by federal law, his immediate relatives will also be terminated to remove the contamination of their defective, terrorist genes from society. All else who are discovered to have aided this terrorist cell will be sent to U.S. Department of Education camps in Ohio. Several neighbors are already under arrest by counter-terrorism SWAT agents.

U.S. Senator Hiram Walker has called for a Joint Investigation Committee to stop terrorist violence, as seen in Trenton, by retrofitting all SIM's with explosive charges so that federal police agents at the local level may interdict such crimes more immediately. He pointed out the multi-billion dollar savings to the tax payer if the practice of sending terrorists and their genetic carriers to Guam can be stopped because FPD units will have the great privilege to solve such problems locally with the new explosive ESIMs. The Senator stated his supreme confidence that all straight-thinking citizens would welcome the new ESIMs in the name of national security.

Senator Walker added that he anticipates no resistance by his constituents, because such objections would be unpatriotic and thus be in violation of the Amended USA P.A.T.R.I.O.T. Act."

5 posted on 03/21/2002 3:10:30 AM PST by THEUPMAN
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To: Silence, America!
Silence, America!:

Silence, America!: for Silence, America!. 

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6 posted on 03/21/2002 3:16:38 AM PST by THEUPMAN
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To: THEUPMAN
btt
7 posted on 03/21/2002 3:38:44 AM PST by GailA
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To: THEUPMAN
Senator Walker added that he anticipates no resistance by his constituents, because such objections would be unpatriotic and thus be in violation of the Amended USA P.A.T.R.I.O.T. Act."

Sounds familiar. At that point we will know we have reached the bottom of the "slippery slope".

8 posted on 03/21/2002 3:55:43 AM PST by CFW
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To: CFW
Long before it gets this bad, there won't be enough targets to go around.
9 posted on 03/21/2002 4:13:07 AM PST by wcbtinman
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To: wcbtinman
I hope you are right!
10 posted on 03/21/2002 4:22:19 AM PST by CFW
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To: wcbtinman;CFW;GailA
there won't be enough targets to go around.

did you see this?

11 posted on 03/21/2002 4:26:10 AM PST by THEUPMAN
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To: D Joyce
It has or it hasn't. It depends on what the government wants you to do at the time.
13 posted on 03/21/2002 4:59:40 AM PST by CFW
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To: D Joyce;dcwusmc;NAFVet;Jim Robinson;A Navy Vet;AlasBabylon!;Trueblackman;Snow Bunny;B4Ranch...
You all might find this interesting!

Toward FREEDOM

15 posted on 03/21/2002 10:31:51 AM PST by Neil E. Wright
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To: shuckmaster; aomagrat; billbears; Pern; Ajnin
Lincoln lusted after Empire. The juggernaut he put in place exterminated the Plains Indians with the same ferocity with which Southern towns and cities were sacked and pillaged.
Far from "saving the Union," Lincoln utterly destroyed the Union achieved by the Founding Fathers and the U.S. Constitution.


16 posted on 03/21/2002 10:45:46 AM PST by Constitution Day
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To: JohnHuang2;aomagrat; Moose4;ConfederateMissouri;Ligeia;CWRWinger;stainlessbanner;Colt .45...
This story is also posted on V-Dare with reference links.
17 posted on 03/21/2002 10:53:26 AM PST by shuckmaster
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To: Constitution Day
Professor DiLorenzo's greatest contribution is to show the real reasons for which Lincoln went to war. Abolishing slavery was not one of them. Lincoln was determined to destroy the Southern states in order to remove the constraints that Southern senators and congressmen, standing in the Jeffersonian tradition, placed in the way of centralized federal power, high tariffs, and subsidies to Northern industries.

Makes me sick really. And Jefferson is turning over in his grave

For truth and for Dixie

18 posted on 03/21/2002 11:01:17 AM PST by billbears
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To: billbears
For truth and for Dixie

Amen

19 posted on 03/21/2002 11:14:44 AM PST by AUgrad
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To: Neil E. Wright
Freedom is Not Free Bump
20 posted on 03/21/2002 11:24:33 AM PST by Snow Bunny
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To: billbears
BTTT
21 posted on 03/21/2002 11:28:54 AM PST by Constitution Day
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To: Constitution Day
Yep.
22 posted on 03/21/2002 11:52:02 AM PST by aomagrat
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To: CFW; D Joyce
Smallpox has been eradicated as a disease that can be caught through vaccination. However, smallpox still does exist in a small number of government controlled labs around the world.
23 posted on 03/21/2002 12:06:05 PM PST by rdb3
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To: JohnHuang2; shuckmaster
WOW!

This tells on the Apeman big time!

24 posted on 03/21/2002 1:12:42 PM PST by one2many
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To: Neil E. Wright
Thanks for heads up on this one Neil. I have always argued that the Constitution died with the onset of the "civil" war.
25 posted on 03/21/2002 3:04:41 PM PST by takenoprisoner
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To: wcbtinman
Amen, bro! If it gets as bad as this story, it's becasue a lot of those who talk a good game would have dropped the ball. Let there be few fumbles!

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

26 posted on 03/21/2002 3:33:11 PM PST by wku man
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To: Neil E. Wright
Big FREEDOM bump

Better Living Through FREEDOM

27 posted on 03/21/2002 3:35:04 PM PST by dcwusmc
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To: THEUPMAN
Yeah, I saw the thread. I have a fifty of another brand, and I figure that it's the very next target. I don't know what my actual response is gonna be, but the govt won't like it.

The absolute line has to be drawn somewhere, and I guess that weapons confiscation/registration might as well be it. I really thought that CFR could be the big one, but the bleating of the sheep drowned out the Patriots. (sigh)

28 posted on 03/21/2002 6:15:05 PM PST by wcbtinman
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To: wcbtinman
I really thought that CFR could be the big one, but the bleating of the sheep drowned out the Patriots. (sigh)

the un tax...... taxation without representation

the ball is in Bush's court

29 posted on 03/21/2002 6:41:38 PM PST by THEUPMAN
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To: Neil E. Wright
Thanks, Neil! I passed that along to several Vets who are not FReepers.
30 posted on 03/21/2002 6:48:03 PM PST by MistyCA
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To: Neil E. Wright
Bump.
32 posted on 03/21/2002 9:07:18 PM PST by Victoria Delsoul
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To: The Documentary Lady
I didn't see the word stadium in the post. What I was commenting on was the comment: For example, the Model State Emergency Health Powers Act would give state governors the power to order people from their homes and force them into quarantines, separate parents from children, impose price controls and rationing, and confiscate guns and other property. Supposedly, this is to protect us from germ warfare, but herding people into confined spaces is the best way to spread disease.

In smallpox, towns would be quarantined, and those who were in contact with the disease would indeed be taken from their homes, since smallpox in the early incubation period is not infectious. Such contacts would be kept in hotels or barracks for a period of time until it was clear that they were free of the disease, at which point they would be allowed to return home. The term "quaranine" comes from forty days: I.e. a ship arriving from an area of disease had to sit in the dock for 40 days before the passengers were allowed to leave. Alas, there are reports that everyone on such ships might die during the 40 days, from close contact of passengers with the diseased patient, but the seaport cities would be kept free of disease.

A good scenerio for a biological outbreak can be found in various bioterrorism sites at the CDC American college of physicians, or the AMA website.link Or just rent Stephen King's "the Stand".

33 posted on 03/21/2002 11:05:10 PM PST by LadyDoc
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To: Constitution Day

The truth is rising like a beacon after years of being kept hidden.

35 posted on 03/22/2002 5:10:58 AM PST by Colt .45
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To: Colt .45
The truth is rising like a beacon after years of being kept hidden.

Indeed! I have even convinced some Yankee friends of our point of view.
One is from Illinois, so one can just imagine the tenacity of the Lincoln cult there.

I can't wait to buy this book.

CD

36 posted on 03/22/2002 5:17:21 AM PST by Constitution Day
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