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Fossil skull fuels debate over human origin
CNN ^ | March 21, 2002 Posted: 10:28 AM EST (1528 GMT)

Posted on 03/21/2002 7:04:27 AM PST by RoughDobermann

Edited on 04/29/2004 2:00:17 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

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1 posted on 03/21/2002 7:04:27 AM PST by RoughDobermann
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To: RoughDobermann
A million-year-old skull found in Ethiopia confirms the theory

That entire phrase is so un-scientific it's pathetic. Never does one single piece of evidence confirm an entire theory.
2 posted on 03/21/2002 7:07:31 AM PST by jurisdog
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To: RoughDobermann
Susan Anton, a Rutgers University anthropologist.

I'd wondered what happened to her. Guess the Vegas gig didn't pan out.

3 posted on 03/21/2002 7:10:22 AM PST by CaptRon
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To: jurisdog
Other anthropologists called the Ethiopian skull an important find but said it does not resolve the debate. "This whole species question is all about what you accept as a sharp enough distinction to tell you that it is a separate species," said Susan Anton, a Rutgers University anthropologist. "This particular skull is not going to solve that problem."

This seems more reasonable...

4 posted on 03/21/2002 7:16:37 AM PST by RoughDobermann
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To: RoughDobermann
A million-year-old skull found in Ethiopia confirms the theory ...
They said the find helps prove that Homo erectus originated in Africa and persisted there for...

Only the insane and the ignorant are ever certain of anything.
It is tedious to keep reading quotes from these "scientists" without a life who claim "proof" of the unproveable every few months.

First of all the basic question can never and will never be proven.
Events of 1 or 2 million years ago simply have not left enough evidence evenly distributed across the world and accessible uniformly. That's just the nature of the problem.
The pathological "P.C." obsession with "proving" Africa is the origin of everything (a setup for "reparations"? LOL) is getting very tired. That horse is mush already...

If we originated from a single source or several, or from Antarctica or Cucamonga... is irrelevant.
Let's just continue to gather knowledge for academics' sake and get rid of the "proves" obsession.
This "proves" nothing. It is an interesting brick in the wall of knowledge; nothing more and nothing less.

5 posted on 03/21/2002 7:17:47 AM PST by Publius6961
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To: RoughDobermann
confirms the theory ... scientists say ... Most anthropologists believe ... But some scientists maintain ... Then, according to this theory ... appears to be ... helps prove that ... we think is a very misleading portrayal ... it indicates ... probably were a later branch ... but may have overlapped with ... does not resolve ... This whole species question .... not going to solve that problem.

T'AINT SCIENCE

6 posted on 03/21/2002 7:24:13 AM PST by Fithal the Wise
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To: Publius6961
Agreed. However, it did get them published in Nature though, right? :-)
7 posted on 03/21/2002 7:25:34 AM PST by RoughDobermann
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To: crevo_list; PatrickHenry; longshadow; jennyp; Junior
Another non-existant transitional.
8 posted on 03/21/2002 7:27:13 AM PST by VadeRetro
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To: VadeRetro
Hmmmm, lot's of fodder here for the "they can't agree on its significance, so that proves Darwin was wrong" crowd.
9 posted on 03/21/2002 7:34:39 AM PST by longshadow
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To: jurisdog
This was an article written for CNN not Science. 'nuff said.
10 posted on 03/21/2002 7:57:23 AM PST by The Shootist
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To: RoughDobermann
How is it that a single human ancestor 2 million years ago gradually populate the Earth and yet not evolve into a dozen different species?
11 posted on 03/21/2002 8:03:09 AM PST by shekkian
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To: longshadow
The original owner of this skull seems to have gotten off the Ark at an intermediate station, and didn't stay for the whole 40 days.
12 posted on 03/21/2002 8:04:52 AM PST by PatrickHenry
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To: shekkian
How is it that a single human ancestor 2 million years ago gradually populate the Earth and yet not evolve into a dozen different species?

How do you know that a dozen different species will not evolve. Who knows what will happen over the next five million years?

13 posted on 03/21/2002 8:20:50 AM PST by RoughDobermann
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To: RoughDobermann
Clearly the school system is failing, and not just in America. Neither side, however many sides there may be in the evolution debate, is presenting their proofs in a coherent fashion. Spinoza's geometrical method might be useful, but of course his proofs also fail depending on who grades his paper.
Schools Don't Provide Basic Understanding Of Evolution

A new study shows that schools and many education programs are failing to provide students with a basic understanding of evolution. It is famously difficult to explain evolutionary principles without resorting to anthropomorphic or figurative language: Evolution "selects" the fittest individuals; species "adapt" to change. Both of these phrases are commonplace when explaining the very complex processes involved in evolution. However, this use of language implies that there is an agency or cognition involved in evolution. This misunderstanding is being picked up on by students in the classroom and could form part of a wider desire to fit evolutionary theory into broad social narratives. Rob Moore and colleagues (University of Cape Town, South Africa), writing in the Spring issue of the Journal of Biological Education, call for more care in the use of language in science education. "Given the centrality of evolutionary theory to a clear foundation in biology, the widely documented difficulty that many students have in coming to terms with these concepts is of enduring concern. ... Establishing a clear conceptual grasp of evolutionary theory will need to include an enhanced sensitivity to language usage."

14 posted on 03/21/2002 8:28:48 AM PST by RightWhale
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To: jurisdog
Well, the theory predicted that a critter with certain characteristics lived in Ethiopia a million years ago, and researchers discovered the skull of a critter with those characteristics living in Ethiopia a million years ago -- if that isn't confirmation, I need a new dictionary.
15 posted on 03/21/2002 8:32:22 AM PST by Junior
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To: RightWhale
In Vermont incarcerations for teenage males has doubled---columbine type murderers too---very sociopathic behavior!

No wonder--one kid killed his mother and said he wasn't responsible to anybody for anything--only his parents and he belonged back in free society.

Looks like trial-error...mutation---survival of the fittest!

16 posted on 03/21/2002 8:44:53 AM PST by f.Christian
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To: RoughDobermann
First of all, I'm a Creationist, not an Darwinist. My point is it doesn't make sense that a human ancestor dispersed around the world would not evolve into separate species over time. What animal do you think hasn't done that?
17 posted on 03/21/2002 8:51:01 AM PST by shekkian
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To: shekkian
My point is that perhaps Homo Sapiens have not yet had "enough time" to evolve into separate species. As I said, perhaps in five million years or so, there will be separate species that branched off from Homo Sapiens. Who knows?
18 posted on 03/21/2002 8:54:05 AM PST by RoughDobermann
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To: f.Christian
Then there is the deathrow inmate who claims he has a right to mail his sperm to his wife so his genetic structure may be passed on. And everyone has prescription glasses, and everyone has filled teeth. How can natural selection work its magic when nearsighted people such as myself are allowed to drive cars and eat hard food? This is devolution, and it spells disaster for the species if we ever lose our technological base.
19 posted on 03/21/2002 8:58:23 AM PST by RightWhale
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To: RoughDobermann
Sorry, I don't buy it.
20 posted on 03/21/2002 9:01:33 AM PST by shekkian
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To: shekkian
Well, as a self-proclaimed Creationist, I would not expect you too! :-)
21 posted on 03/21/2002 9:03:19 AM PST by RoughDobermann
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To: RightWhale
This is devolution, and it spells disaster for the species if we ever lose our technological base.

Our technologic--cultural base is moral--physical laws(science) that don't change...

evolution-"change" at its premise is worthless--perverted--detrimental--fatal!

22 posted on 03/21/2002 9:30:10 AM PST by f.Christian
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To: shekkian
How is it that a single human ancestor 2 million years ago gradually populate the Earth and yet not evolve into a dozen different species?

Too much miscegenation goin' on all that time kept the races "impure". This prevented them from drifting away into true species.

23 posted on 03/21/2002 9:35:01 AM PST by jennyp
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To: f.Christian
evolution-"change" at its premise is worthless

What is evolution, --to evolve? The word means a "turning out". That is, it is a display of characteristics that were there all along but not displayed.

It has little to do with the genetic code, and this is the source of the peoblem with understanding what is going on. If we say that the genetic code has all the characterists contained in it, then what are we to do with the observation that each individual person has a different genetic code? Even if the offspring has a section of genetic code that seems new, that neither of the parents, --or parent in the case of asexual reporduction or cloning,-- had, what does that mean in terms of evolution? A mutation? What is that -- a mutation?

Imagine that the new characteristic was there all along --not in the genetic code because the genetic code is only part of the mechanism of expression-- in the nature of the organism but not expressed. Then we can get away from this mechanical explanation and perhaps get closer to the true underlying force of expression of characteristics.

24 posted on 03/21/2002 9:48:03 AM PST by RightWhale
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To: RoughDobermann
Fossil skull fuels debate over human origin

What are "fossil skull fuels" doing debating over human origins? And who's moderating?

25 posted on 03/21/2002 9:53:10 AM PST by xm177e2
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To: xm177e2
Dunno. OPEC?
26 posted on 03/21/2002 9:59:24 AM PST by RoughDobermann
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To: PatrickHenry
The original owner of this skull seems to have gotten off the Ark at an intermediate station, and didn't stay for the whole 40 days.

Yeah; layovers were a bummer 2 million years ago.

27 posted on 03/21/2002 10:01:23 AM PST by longshadow
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To: f.Christian
Looks like---moron---who

believes

in Social Darwinism

something

that evil people

will use to justify something that is

evil, because they are scientifically ignorant morons as well as heartless

pathetic excuses for human beings.

You pose the same

Tired questions

and once answered

¤you ignore the answers.

28 posted on 03/21/2002 10:08:50 AM PST by JediGirl
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To: RightWhale
Schools Don't Provide Basic Understanding Of Evolution

Wanna know why? Because whiners and scientifically inept idiots come in to the school board complaining about all the perceived evils of darwinism and evolution in general because in their ignorant bliss they believe that evolution disproves something that one cannot prove (God) and try to legislate their religion and attempt to infiltrate our school with idiotic and watered down science curricula and/or scare Biology teachers into keeping silent on the subject of evolution.

29 posted on 03/21/2002 10:12:02 AM PST by JediGirl
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To: ALL
And I have a question---who is f.Christian, what does he smoke, and where can I get some?
30 posted on 03/21/2002 10:14:43 AM PST by JediGirl
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To: RightWhale
Evolution is a cheap vaudeville--carnival act---street performer--clowns on stage...

sorta of a carreer--occupation for freaks too!

We all saw the magician "too" perfectly landing knives close to a woman on a revolving target---how?

Well it is timed perfect---the guy with a mallet hits the knives from the backside while the audience does not see the magician throwing his knife to the side in a big pillow. The sound you hear is from the clown in the back knocking out the knives from the back! All of the skill is the coordination they need to synchronize their throwing--hitting and to build the suspense--entertainment.

We aren't allowed to have restraint of speech--trade--elections but education is being rigged by circus performers like clinton-reno and they know it unconsciously only to keep up their self respect and public dignity.

Now-a-days you don't need the clown---everything goes off electronically---via computers and the media...pop corn--soda--beer!

31 posted on 03/21/2002 10:15:39 AM PST by f.Christian
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To: f.Christian
Are you inebriated or something?
32 posted on 03/21/2002 10:17:55 AM PST by RoughDobermann
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To: jurisdog
This might help you out if you're seeking something a slight bit more scientific from Scientific American:

skull
Image: Courtesy of Nature

Scholars of human evolution have long debated just how many branches and twigs make up the human family tree. Some place the known human fossils into numerous genera and species, creating a bushy tree. Others tend to see more similarities between fossils and opt for trees with fewer offshoots. Now newly described fossils from Ethiopia indicate that for at least one part of the human pedigree, less is more.

Announcing their findings today in the journal Nature, a team of researchers led by Ethiopian paleoanthropologist Berhane Asfaw reports that the million-year-old fossils, which belong to Homo erectus, lay to rest the idea that that species should be split in two. Some experts have argued that earlier African representatives of the group, which dates back as far as 1.7 million years ago, look so different from later examples from Asia that they warrant their own species, H. ergaster. In this scenario, Asian Homo erectus went extinct and H. ergaster spawned modern humans. But the newly recovered remains--including a complete skull cap (see image)--exhibit an intermediate anatomy that, according to Asfaw's group, bridges the gap between the two proposed species.

"Before this time, we really haven't had a good comparison between African and Asian forms from the same time window," says team member W. Henry Gilbert, a graduate student at the University of California, Berkeley. "We've had early African forms and late Asian forms, and people have used the differences between them to generalize about all African and Asian specimens. Now that we have a later African form for comparison, we are finding that they are very similar in a lot of the features that people were formerly using to separate early African from late Asian ones."

"The anthropological splitting common today is giving the wrong impression about the biology of these early human ancestors," asserts Berkeley paleoanthropologist Tim White, another study co-author. "The different names indicate an apparent diversity that is not real." Homo erectus, he says, was a biologically successful organism, "not a whole series of different human ancestors, all but one of which went extinct." --Kate Wong

33 posted on 03/21/2002 10:18:45 AM PST by JediGirl
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To: f.Christian
cheap vaudeville--carnival act---street performer--clowns on stage... sorta of a carreer--occupation for freaks too!

Hehehehe...f.christian...that's funny...

34 posted on 03/21/2002 10:19:04 AM PST by Junior
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To: JediGirl
High wire artist trained from birth...soma-coma-laude---you need to detox!!
35 posted on 03/21/2002 10:19:36 AM PST by f.Christian
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To: RoughDobermann
Did you ever read Plato's allegory of the cave entertainers who chain their audience in their seats---minds?
36 posted on 03/21/2002 10:21:54 AM PST by f.Christian
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To: f.Christian
Next week, they will find out it is really a 1000 year-old monkey skull.
37 posted on 03/21/2002 10:24:55 AM PST by AppyPappy
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To: f.Christian
High wire artist trained from birth...soma-coma-laude---you need to detox!!

FOAMA-LOAMA-SAUDE. abcdefghijklmnop!!! qrstuv!!! where's the rest of the abc's?

38 posted on 03/21/2002 10:26:30 AM PST by JediGirl
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To: f.Christian
Yes, but which do you believe are the audience: the Creationists or the Evolutionists?
39 posted on 03/21/2002 10:27:18 AM PST by RoughDobermann
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To: RoughDobermann
Both...all---

via polls---

45+% are creationists(unamused-frustrated) only...

45+% are creationists/evolution...mutants/grips---

less than 10% are evolutionists/atheism only...sorta the clowns-freaks-performers!

I got a cutting torch--TRUTH--escaped the cave--show!

Don't worry about jedigirl---she has her training strings on---big net--lotta applause!

40 posted on 03/21/2002 10:38:03 AM PST by f.Christian
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To: f.Christian
Kerouac is dead, but the estate litigation lives on.
41 posted on 03/21/2002 10:40:18 AM PST by RightWhale
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To: f.Christian
Where do you fit into the above 100%?
42 posted on 03/21/2002 10:40:24 AM PST by RoughDobermann
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To: RoughDobermann
I got a cutting torch--TRUTH--escaped the cave--show!

Ah, sorry. I missed this sentence, such as it is. So, you escaped the cave show by knowing the TRUTH? What truth is that exactly?

43 posted on 03/21/2002 10:41:59 AM PST by RoughDobermann
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To: VadeRetro
Another non-existant transitional
Guess the skull is just a figment of imagination?
Non-existant means it doesn't exsist...if they have a skull, it exsists.
Oldcats
44 posted on 03/21/2002 10:44:12 AM PST by oldcats
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To: RoughDobermann
I play the Trumpet for the Salvation Army!
45 posted on 03/21/2002 10:45:48 AM PST by f.Christian
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Fossil skull fuels debate...

I guess "Fossil fuels" do contribute to global warming, with all the additional hot air the numb skulls will banter around.

46 posted on 03/21/2002 10:46:40 AM PST by Calvin Locke
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To: RoughDobermann
you escaped the cave show by knowing the TRUTH

An honors class elective. No credit hours.

47 posted on 03/21/2002 10:48:21 AM PST by RightWhale
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To: JediGirl
Not to be picky...but you might want to preview your posting befor hitting the post button....would make it a heck of a lot easier to read.
Oldcats
48 posted on 03/21/2002 10:48:49 AM PST by oldcats
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To: oldcats
I may be wrong, but I believe she posted that way in response to f.Christian's distinctive yet somewhat confusing posting style...
49 posted on 03/21/2002 10:50:58 AM PST by RoughDobermann
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To: JediGirl
His posts remind me of a poet e.e.cummings. Used to type only in lower case, and used odd line structure.
Oldcats
50 posted on 03/21/2002 10:52:23 AM PST by oldcats
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