Statement of the Inspector General before the Senate Judiciary Committee Re: OKC Bombing Files

Senate.gov ^ | 3/21/02 | Glenn Fine

[glorygirl]

There it is, in black and white, from the Inspector General of the Justice Department of the United States of America.

Italics mine, of course.

[Fish out of Water]

index bump and fyi

[glorygirl]

btt

[OKCSubmariner]

"We concluded, for the following reasons, that the evidence did not support a finding that government personnel withheld evidence it knew to be discoverable from the defense:..."

The above statement from the AG's report to the Senate Judiciary is absolutely incorrect whether he knows it or not.

For more details why AShcroft is very wrong in his statement , please read the following articles:

"Ashcroft Relies On Evidence Obstructed by the FBI and US Prosecutors In OKC Bombing Case "

Source: OKCSubmariner Personal Research

Published: may 29, 2001 Author: Patrick B. Briley

Posted on 05/29/2001 11:02:18 PDT by OKCSubmariner

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"Counter Terrorism Failures and Cover-Ups by the FBI and Danny Defenbaugh (OKC, 9/11)"

CNN, UPI, AP,Dallas Morning News, Ft. Worth Star Telegram, Personal Research | March 19, 2002 | Patrick B. Briley

Posted on 3/19/02 7:38 PM Pacific by OKCSubmariner

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"State Sponsored Terrorism? (OKC Bombing and 9/11/02[1] Attack Suspects Connected by FBI)"

Fox News | March 20, 2002 | John Gibson

Posted on 3/21/02 2:17 PM Pacific by OKCSubmariner

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3 very important, material and discoverable (exculpatory) FBI 302 interview reports were withheld from the defense and the prosecutors but later found in Defenbaugh's Dallas office in early 2001 . These reports had been done in April 1995 for three Pakistani suspects arrested on April 19, 1995 in connection with the OKC bombing, Iraq and with the 1993 World Trade Center bombing. The FBI and Janet Reno lied in 1995 when they claimed no ME suspects had been arrested in the OKC bombing case. and these 302 prove they were lying.

The finding of the FBI 302s on the Pakistanis in Defenbaugh's Dallas FBI office was reported last year in a story by Jack Douglas of the Ft Worth Star Telegram I posted on the FreeRepublic.

Bomb ingredients were found on the luggage of the Pakistanis at their motel in Dallas by bomb sniffing dogs right after the OKC bombing.

The witness to the Pakistanis being with McVeigh in OKC, Debbie Budick was called by FBI agent Odom from Denver during and after the trials to initmidate her not to talk to anyone about the Pakistanis she had seen with McVeigh after the bombing.

What is also significant about the Pakistanis is that Saudi intelligence told CIA counter terrorism chief Vincent Cannistraro on the morning of the OKC bombing that Saddam Hussein had hired seven Pakistanis to help do the OKC bombing. THe FBI wrote deliberately four conflicting 302 interview reports on the Cannistrao story to confuse the story.

In early January 1999 I went to the Senate Intelligence Committee to get their help in having the FBI recieve evidence of the Iraqi connection to the OKC bombing from KFORTV reporters. The FBI and US Prosecutor Sean Connelly had refused up until that time to receive the evidence.

When I presented to the Senate Intelligence committee what the evidence was (22 sworn affadavits), the intelligence committee instructed me to tell the former KFORTV reporter to call the FBI in OKC directly and tell them that the intelligence committee wanted the FBI to receive the evidence immediately and to notify the intelligence committee if the FBI still refused. As a result I passed along the intelligence committee's instructions to the former KFORTV reporter who then contacted and arranged to meet with FBI agent Dan Vogel on January 29, 1999 with the reporter's spouse and attorney. Vogel received the evidence from the reporter.

But AG Ashcroft and the FBI has blocked Vogel (now retired) from testifying about the evidence at the Nichols state trial in Oklahoma. So far Vogel has also been muzzled from speaking in any detail to the press and to Congress. Ashcroft and the FBI has alo blocked release of surveillance tapes showing John Does with McVeigh at the scene and of the actual explosion.

FBI agents repeatedly threatened law enforcement , military (ARMY), and other private citizen witnesses who had seen MCVeigh with John Does at the scene in OKC at the time of the OKC bombing and before.

During the turn over of the evidence, Vogel indicated that the FBI was tracking individuals in Dallas who may have had a connection to the OKC bombing. This would include Hamas and AlQaeda cell members in Dallas that Dallas Special Agent in Charge (SAC) Danny Defenbaugh had been tracking since 1998

[OKCSubmariner]

BUMP and please see reply #4. Thanks.

[OKCSubmariner]

BUMP and please see reply #4. Thanks.

[takenoprisoner]

The other morning on foxnews the guest was a former CIA agent. For me it was coffee and a wake up so I forget his name now. But he said that there was a middle eastern connection to OKC and that it was COVERED UP!!!!!!!

Did anyone else catch this on fox and friends recently?

[dixiechick2000]

" The other morning on foxnews the guest was a former CIA agent."

Could that be Larry Johnson? He's former CIA and is now, I think, an anti-terrorism expert.

"...middle eastern connection to OKC and that it was COVERED UP!!!!!!!"

I saw him on John Gibson's show Tuesday and that's pretty much what he said. I had wondered what had happened to the search for John Doe #2, who had been described as middle eastern. It was also odd that the search for a middle eastern man turned into an investigation of a militia group. And, remember that Clinton blamed Rush and the vast right wing for OKC.

[OKCSubmariner]

The official you saw was Larry C. Johnson a former CIA and State Department counter terrorism official. For details of the Fox News reports on this please read the following article and discussion thread posted on FR today:

"State Sponsored Terrorism? (OKC Bombing and 9/11/02 Attack Suspects Connected by FBI)"

Fox News | March 20, 2002 | John Gibson

Posted on 3/21/02 2:17 PM Pacific by OKCSubmarine

Link for the article:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/651093/posts

[dixiechick2000]

"... please read the following article and discussion thread posted on FR today:..."

I just did! Thanks for directing me to it.
Thanks, also, for all of the research you have done on the OKC bombing, as well as other subjects.
I've been lurking on your threads for a loooong time.:o)
(that was me in the corner heheh)

[B4Ranch]

I don't know, but I believe that Ashcroft doesn't want the link to the ME's to come out because it will show the CIA and the FBI have been supporting/authorizing some of their activities for a loooong time. Thanks for the bump

[takenoprisoner]

thanks for the ID on Larry Johnson. I nearly choked on my coffee the other morning when I heard someone of his status making those comments. In essence stating what many of us have believed all along and have been tar and feathered for right here on FR as "whacko conspiracy nuts and/or tin foil hatters etc etc"

And OKCSubmariner, I am impressed with your articles. How bout a tag? That way I won't miss an article like the one you just linked me to already discussing Larry Johnson.
tnp

[OKCSubmariner]

You've got it!

I will try and flag or ping or bump you on anything relevant that comes up on the subject.

Thanks for asking.

[glorygirl]

Did you see anything in the IG statement that surprised you?

[OKCSubmariner]

I already knew of large scale , wholesale lying and manipulation of evidence reports by the FBI. What I was surprised about was the IG even admitting publicly what he did (but it only covers about one tenth of the total problem). He may have been throwing COngress a bone to keep them from digging into the other nine tenths of the problem the IG did not reveal.

This is what I found surprising that the IG would even admit:

"Our investigation found that 2 field offices had destroyed documents before the archival process had begun, and 13 field offices destroyed some portion of their OKBOMB files following the archivist’s authorization.

Of the 13 field offices, only one reported following the archivist’s instructions.

We attempted to determine whether these field offices had destroyed any FD-302s or inserts – in other words, the type of documents that were covered by the discovery agreement. Nine field offices either acknowledged destroying such documents or could not rule out the possibility that they had been destroyed."

What all this means is that at least some important discovery documents were not just withheld lost or misplaced but in fact were they were destroyed (deliberately in my opinion based on what else I know about) before they could get to the prosecutors, to the defense attorneys and to the Judge or court. Outrageous!!

What do you bet that the AG Ashcroft of DOJ and Mueller of the FBI do not do anything really meaningful or adequate to punish those involved or more importantly to find out what were in the discovery documents??

In fact the IG says that it is now impossible to know so Congress and the resat of should stop tryuing to dfind out since it is impossible they say. They are flat out lyuing and want you to falsely believe it is impossible.

THe reason why it is still possible to know is from the lead sheets which still exist and from the actual witnesses (whom I have interviewed) seeing John Does who were domestic FBI informants and ME terrorists such as witnesses John Morris Kupper, the four women at the Travelers aide, the Army recruiters, Debbie Burdick who saw McVeigh with the 3 Pakistanis in OKC right after the bombing. All these witnesses were threatened by the FBI not to talk because the FBI did not do 302 interview reports or destroyed the ones they did do and deliberately did not do sketches with the witnesses

I will tell you on the authority of the Bible that because of the murder and intimidation of innocent Christians these men in the FBI and DOJ who continue to lie and perjure themselves (AShcroft,Mueller,Defenbaugh,etc) will be utterly consummed by what God will allow to happen to them if they do not repnet now and in a very big hurry.

Right this down and watch what happens so you will know that the Lord is not slack on His Word.

[takenoprisoner]

Thanks for asking.

thanks for putting me on your list...I look forward to the discussions.
tnp

[rdavis84]

It may be Later, rather than Sooner, but it's GOING to happen. Like I've said before, I sure don't want our God mad at me! ;-)

[knighthawk]

That the FBI and Reno thought they would get away with all this lying!

[lawdog]

My goodness you are a gem. Thanks for your tireless efforts!!!!!!!!