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Gun control advocate may have violated gun laws
Kentucky.com ^ | Thu, Mar. 21, 2002 | Timothy J. Burger

Posted on 03/22/2002 8:07:56 AM PST by Inspector Harry Callahan

WASHINGTON - Gun-control advocate Sarah Brady bought her son a powerful rifle for Christmas in 2000 - and may have skirted Delaware state background-check requirements, the New York Daily News has learned....

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To: Inspector Harry Callahan
Nothing will come of this. Laws do not apply to liberal democrats.
51 posted on 03/22/2002 8:56:47 AM PST by aomagrat
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To: Inspector Harry Callahan
You back Harry ? Where ya been bud ?

Ms Potato Head needs to experience the full extent of her own work..........but we know elitism is alive an well in Amerika and that just won't happen...............

Hope your well, Stay Safe Harry !

52 posted on 03/22/2002 8:57:58 AM PST by Squantos
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To: CFW
It's 10:00 am PST and the article appears to have been pulled. Either that or the server is overloaded by curiosity seekers.
53 posted on 03/22/2002 8:58:06 AM PST by aught-6
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To: Inspector Harry Callahan
I'm positively astounded.

Everyone, bookmark this thread right now.

54 posted on 03/22/2002 9:01:13 AM PST by The KG9 Kid
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To: aught-6
Well, at least we have two are three copies here. LOL!
55 posted on 03/22/2002 9:01:56 AM PST by CFW
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To: Squantos
Hi Squantos! I took your advice and ordered the Randall catalog. Can't make up my mind. May just go with a Model 14 with the micarta handle. Delivery date they quoted was July 2005. Sheesh!

I feel that it will be worth the wait. Been lurking over at the Randall Collector's Society. Thanks for the tip on these great knives!

Regards,
Callahan

56 posted on 03/22/2002 9:03:34 AM PST by Inspector Harry Callahan
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To: Dane
Actually, it is completely believable. Liberals make laws for OTHER people and consider themselves exempt.
57 posted on 03/22/2002 9:03:37 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants
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To: RJL
Actually, I dont't think she broke federal law. Note 1 on Form 4473 says "You are also the acutal buyer if you are acquiring the firearm as a legitimate gift for a third party."

See page 3 of form 4473 at the top under IMPORTANT NOTICES. She seems to have clearly violated Delaware law, however.

Form 4473: http://www.atf.treas.gov/forms/pdfs/f4473pt1.pdf

58 posted on 03/22/2002 9:04:37 AM PST by Eugene Tackleberry
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To: Still Thinking
So does this mean it is illegal to give as a gift a gun which was previously purchased?

No, it comes down to intent. If I buy a gun for myself then later on decide to give it to someone else, that's legal. If I buy it with the intent of transferring it to someone else, it's a straw purchase. I actually do think that Sarah may be correct about an exemption when buying a firearm as a gift for a non-prohibited family member though, but I'm not 100% sure of that -- the BATF forms are pretty clear about buying it for yourself, and I don't think you can say "no" to that question and still buy the firearm.

59 posted on 03/22/2002 9:05:12 AM PST by RogueIsland
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To: Eugene Tackleberry
Good catch. I was guess I never read the compendium of notes on the form!
60 posted on 03/22/2002 9:06:08 AM PST by RogueIsland
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To: Bubba_Leroy
Post it over at DU, man! Go for it!
61 posted on 03/22/2002 9:06:08 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants
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To: Inspector Harry Callahan
That's a FELONY.
62 posted on 03/22/2002 9:08:27 AM PST by Dan from Michigan
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To: Inspector Harry Callahan
Please keep this bumped to the top and added to any other forums on FR!
63 posted on 03/22/2002 9:08:38 AM PST by OldFriend
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To: Blood of Tyrants
It's Open Line Friday. Someone should call Rush about this.
64 posted on 03/22/2002 9:09:17 AM PST by Inspector Harry Callahan
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To: Bubba_Leroy
Its posted on DU. No one has responded yet. Go look quick before they pull it!

Sarah Brady, Gun Control Advocate May Have Violated Gun Laws

65 posted on 03/22/2002 9:09:38 AM PST by Phantom Lord
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To: R2
So how does one get the Delaware Dept. of Justice to prosecute this felon, Brady?

She could obviously be prosecuted on both state and federal charges. However, when liberals break gun laws to "prove a point", the government always declines to prosecute.

They cite "lack of criminal intent" in not prosecuting, even though the laws make no mention of "intent". They use a concept that is not in the law to explain why they won't prosecute. When Joe Blow runs afoul of the same gun laws, an argument of "lack of criminal intent" gets him a rap on the head with the judge's gavel, and instructions to the jury to ignore all claims of "lack of criminal intent".

66 posted on 03/22/2002 9:10:23 AM PST by 300winmag
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To: Inspector Harry Callahan
Bttt!

Welcome back, again.

5.56mm

67 posted on 03/22/2002 9:12:12 AM PST by M Kehoe
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To: Inspector Harry Callahan
I was having a bad day, but you brightened it with this SO nicely!

Gun-control advocate Sarah Brady bought her son a powerful rifle for Christmas

Shouldn't that be high powered sniper rifle?

69 posted on 03/22/2002 9:12:51 AM PST by ko_kyi
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To: Inspector Harry Callahan
Your abscence from FR has been noted. I did not give you permission to take leave. HA!HA!

You and me engage in a "flame war?" You obviously have me confused with someone else, Harry. But surely you can do better than dig up a two year old article from JBS? No doubt picked apart here one or more times, from all sides/opinions.

I discovered the other day the email addy I have for RUSH no longer works. Any body that has it should forward this Sarah Brady gun-buy article to him. He might even put it out today!

See ya in Reno, Harry. And don't forget what Neal Knox said about the need to stay in the NRA and VOTE!

70 posted on 03/22/2002 9:14:02 AM PST by donozark
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To: Blood of Tyrants
See #65
71 posted on 03/22/2002 9:14:05 AM PST by Phantom Lord
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To: Phantom Lord
Small Hours there and Phantom Lord here. How Metallica-ish. hehehe...
74 posted on 03/22/2002 9:14:53 AM PST by Inspector Harry Callahan
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To: ALL
Sarah Brady does NOT appear to have violated FEDERAL law. See my post 58 for link to BATF Form 4473 and quote from the form saying that you ARE the actual purchaser if it is a legitimate gift.
75 posted on 03/22/2002 9:15:08 AM PST by Eugene Tackleberry
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To: Shooter .25
Bump
76 posted on 03/22/2002 9:15:22 AM PST by Maelstrom
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To: Inspector Harry Callahan;mercuria
In the science fiction novel Pallas, one of L. Neil Smith’s characters says,

“People—pardon me, journalists and politicians—have often accused me of believing that I’m above the law. And yet, who isn’t? … The law is created by demonstrable criminals, enforced by demonstrable criminals, interpreted by demonstrable criminals, all for demonstrably criminal purposes. Of course I’m above the law. And so are you.”

78 posted on 03/22/2002 9:17:43 AM PST by luvzhottea
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To: bandleader
Same as Sen.Die Fie!!She has a"concealed/carry"but doesn't think that"The Little People(US)"should have the same right!!!!

In fairness to DiFi, she no longer has her permit; she's let it lapse.

79 posted on 03/22/2002 9:18:59 AM PST by NovemberCharlie
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To: donozark
Yeah, I know we've discussed this many times and the article is rather old. Here lately, with the exception of their support for CARA, the NRA has been doing pretty decent. I just thought it was rather ironic to read what James Baker had to say at the end of the article, considering the fact that he has (in the past) been allied with the Brady Bunch on various legislation. Gotta love how Nugent kicked the NRA board in the pants over CARA. Great stuff.

I think Rush's email addy is still rush@eibnet.com

Good to see you, my friend.

80 posted on 03/22/2002 9:19:52 AM PST by Inspector Harry Callahan
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To: randog
Sarah clearly broke Federal law. Here my note to AG John Ashcroft:

Attorney General John Ashcroft,

I want to bring the illegal activity outlined in the following article to your attention for Federal prosecution.

The 4473 Federal form clearly asks if a firearm purchase is for the person filling out the form. The form also clearly states the legal consequences of lying on the form.

Sarah had to lie, to purchase the gun without also putting her son through the background check.

Sarah's life work is gun control, she, more than anyone should know this is against the law, there can be no excuse.

For you or me that's a 5 or 10 year felony. I want to be sure that Sarah is treated the same as any other criminal.

This is a straw man purchase; Sarah Brady is an illegal gunrunner.

Thank you for your attention to this criminal matter.

RJL

I then posted the NY Daily News Article.

81 posted on 03/22/2002 9:21:05 AM PST by RJL
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To: RJL
BTTT Good work. If you'll excuse me now, I need to get started on writing my letter.
82 posted on 03/22/2002 9:24:37 AM PST by JavaTheHutt
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To: RJL
Sweet
83 posted on 03/22/2002 9:25:10 AM PST by Maelstrom
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To: Inspector Harry Callahan
Just got to get this one on my list, this is a keeper!! Such sweet Irony!! ROFLMAO!!!
84 posted on 03/22/2002 9:25:59 AM PST by Aric2000
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To: Eugene Tackleberry
Actually, I dont't think she broke federal law. Note 1 on Form 4473 says "You are also the acutal buyer if you are acquiring the firearm as a legitimate gift for a third party."

See page 3 of form 4473 at the top under IMPORTANT NOTICES. She seems to have clearly violated Delaware law, however.

Form 4473: http://www.atf.treas.gov/forms/pdfs/f4473pt1.pdf

You are correct, mea culpa. I am amazed this exception "loophole" is allowed.

86 posted on 03/22/2002 9:30:11 AM PST by RJL
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To: Inspector Harry Callahan
Metallica rules. We also have Leper Messiah here at FreeRepublic. They had a thread a long time ago about "liberal music" and someone said Metallica had liberal messages in their music. I almost puked. They are FAR from liberal in their lyrics.

And so you know, I am NOT "Small Hours." When someone said it should be posted at DU i went to look if it was. I do lurk there from time to time and there are some very strong ProGun posters over there. They are a definate minority, but they do exist. If i ever registered over there I wouldnt be able to control myself and would probably be banned in about 10 seconds.

87 posted on 03/22/2002 9:32:29 AM PST by Phantom Lord
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To: Inspector Harry Callahan
Yes, Baker has been disappointing. Others have also. The "Nuge" is only one of many NRA Directors opposed to CARA. There was a list posted last week of NRA Board members that opposed CARA. Nordquist, etal. T. Nugent is one reason I still hang on to my Patron membership, and get kicked regularly for doing so, here on FR and elsewhere.Of course CARA is only one Title of ten within CARA. It's the way pols do business. However, it never ceases to amaze me how the Board seems to antagonize so many members, needlessly.

Just flipped the article to rush@eibnet.com and back it came "undeliverable." Maybe he has me "Blocked?" HA! Just like a couple of Gannett editors I know! Or DID know!

88 posted on 03/22/2002 9:33:21 AM PST by donozark
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To: Publius6961
Thanks for the tip, Amy... (you blonde?)

ROFLMAO!

I just LOVE it when these people are SO BUSTED!

89 posted on 03/22/2002 9:33:52 AM PST by Howlin
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To: RJL
Close the Gift Loophole now! Let's call Sarah Brady to testify before Congress. She has first hand experience of how this loophole can be exploited.
90 posted on 03/22/2002 9:34:12 AM PST by Eugene Tackleberry
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To: Inspector Harry Callahan
Anti-gun control advocates were surprised to hear of Brady's foray into their world.

Don't you love how they struggle and contort the English lanquage to make us the 'anti's'.

I'm not anti anything.

I'm pro 2nd Ammendment, I'm pro gun rights, I'm pro constitution, and yes, I'm pro life.

Why don't they call Sarah what she is, anti Constitution, anti second ammendment, anti gun rights. Of course she's also a hypocrite, a bone-headed chain smoker, and soon, she'll be remembered as just another 20th century crank, who sought to destroy America, by destroying our Constitution.

91 posted on 03/22/2002 9:35:52 AM PST by TC Rider
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To: Eugene Tackleberry
She may appear to have not broken federal law, but it seems pretty clear that she has violated State laws.

Prosecute her.

92 posted on 03/22/2002 9:39:45 AM PST by Phantom Lord
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To: Phantom Lord
Firewall blocks it:(
93 posted on 03/22/2002 9:40:59 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants
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To: Inspector Harry Callahan
No Brady thread is complete without this:


94 posted on 03/22/2002 9:41:15 AM PST by real saxophonist
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To: RJL
The "actual buyer", according to the newest revision of form 4473, is the person signing the form themself. HOWEVER, they are also considered a lawful "actual buyer" if the firearm is to be a legal gift to a Third Party. See "Important Notice No. 1" on the 4473, it's there for all to see.

Since ol' Sarah failed to comply with Delaware State laws, can the BATF consider the gift "legal"?

Well, that's the thing about BATF... their regulations are so... fluid. She'll get a pass on a technical violation of the same sort that would result in any one of us being incarcerated for decades. No... Sarah won't feel the boot on *her* neck, no siree.

95 posted on 03/22/2002 9:41:30 AM PST by Charles Martel
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To: Phantom Lord
Well that all depends. I have no idea, but I am curious if she is a resident of the state of Delaware. If not, then there's your federal offense.
96 posted on 03/22/2002 9:43:08 AM PST by llama7
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To: RJL
You are correct, mea culpa. I am amazed this exception "loophole" is allowed.

You and me both. :-)

97 posted on 03/22/2002 9:43:28 AM PST by Charles Martel
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To: Phantom Lord
Agree wholeheartedly. I'm sure the BATF could find something to prosecute her for if they wanted to. Maybe bombmaking materials at her house?
98 posted on 03/22/2002 9:45:20 AM PST by Eugene Tackleberry
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To: Inspector Harry Callahan
What's good for the goose....... doesn't apply to liberals.
100 posted on 03/22/2002 9:47:40 AM PST by b4its2late
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