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Sarah Brady, Gun Criminal?
NEWSMAX ^ | 3/22/02 | Limbacher

Posted on 03/22/2002 11:41:39 AM PST by Tumbleweed_Connection

Move over, Rosie O'Donnell: The newest "celebrity" anti-gun hypocrite is Sarah Brady.

Mrs. Brady "bought her son a powerful rifle for Christmas in 2000 - and may have skirted Delaware state background-check requirements," the New York Daily News reported Thursday.

Some people will do anything to tell a book. No doubt to increase interest in what otherwise would be a boring memoir, the gun rights opponent writes that she bought James Brady Jr. a Remington .30-06, "complete with scope and safety lock," at a gun shop in Lewes, Del.

"I can't describe how I felt when I picked up that rifle, loaded it into my little car and drove home," she writes. "It seemed so incredibly strange: Sarah Brady, of all people, packing heat."

According to her book, the store ran federal Brady Law and state background checks with much ado. But the book suggests she did not have her son checked, as required by Delaware law.

Delaware Justice Department spokeswoman Lori Sitler said the purchase could be illegal if Mrs. Brady did not say who she was buying the gun for and submit his "name, rank and serial number" for an inquiry.

"You can't purchase a gun for someone else," Sitler told the Daily News. "That would be a 'straw purchase.' You've got a problem right there."

Gun rights advocates were surprised to hear of Mrs. Brady's antics.

"We hope that it's innocuous and there's been no laws violated," said James Jay Baker, chief lobbyist for National Rifle Association. "It's obviously interesting that Sarah would be purchasing firearms of any kind for anybody, given her championing of restrictive guns laws for everyone."

Seniors United Supporting the Second Amendment told NewsMax.com it was asking Delaware and the U.S. Department of Justice to investigate "what appears to be a criminal act" by Mrs. Brady.

"Sarah Brady is infamous for her radical anti-Second Amendment positions and her work to strip the citizens if the United States of their civil rights. She is the head of an extremist group that is working to gut the Bill of Rights," the group said in a statement.

"Sarah Brady is typical of the anti-civil rights radicals," noted John Bender, executive director of SUSSA. "She wants to ban private transfers of guns for everyone but her and her elitist friends. If a black mother in a Delaware public housing apartment did this she would already be charged with a crime. I’m wondering if Delaware has different enforcement standards for rich white women.”

The group concluded: "Sarah Brady is one of the leaders in the anti-civil rights movement’s attempt to make all private transfers of firearms illegal. Along with other extremists she pushed Congress to make this type of straw purchase illegal. Law enforcement should show her what her work has accomplished."

Mrs. Brady became a media-adored opponent of the Second Amendment after her husband, James, White House press secretary to President Ronald Reagan, was shot in a 1981 assassination attempt on Reagan.


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To: Abundy
I disagree....children should not be taught to shoot and kill animals for sport.

I am not a vegetarian....I know animals are food. And I know for a fact that hunters do not kill my food.... I just do not believe that every Tom Dick and Harry should have the right to shoot animals when they feel like it. It's wrong. It's dangerous.

101 posted on 03/22/2002 4:37:06 PM PST by Sungirl
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To: Lazarus Long; Sungirl
Hear hear.... I echo your thoughts in my own. Sungirl should read "In Defense of Hunting" by James Swan, a guy who tried to do the vegan thing when he was going through a life phase when he felt bad about killing animals... it is the story of his journey from anti-hunting to hunter. Very enlightening although it gets a little new agey for me, it sounds like it might be right up your alley, Sungirl.
102 posted on 03/22/2002 4:37:25 PM PST by Terriergal
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To: Abundy
The actions you describe are not "typical" and do not represent the hunting community.

LOL! I'll bet I know more 'hunters' than you do.....believe me...It is TYPICAL.

103 posted on 03/22/2002 4:38:59 PM PST by Sungirl
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To: jeremiah
I'm making caribou burgers for dinner tonight. Fabulous!
104 posted on 03/22/2002 4:39:44 PM PST by Donzerly lights
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To: Terriergal
I didn't realize that most people hunt their food instead of getting it from a slaughterhouse. Where do you kill your food?
105 posted on 03/22/2002 4:40:17 PM PST by Sungirl
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To: Sungirl
You have a right to your opinion. Most of the animals I kill are for food, and I daresay every hunter does it that way. The only time animals are killed and not eaten is when they are destroyed for pest control purposes. (e.g. damaging squirrels or rabbits etc.) That is a miniscule percentage. I can hardly believe you admit to not being a vegetarian/vegan and think it's ok to eat meat. Why is it ok to kill a cow and not a deer? What is the difference between the two for you? One is cuter/more beautiful? How can the cow help that, it had no choice what it was born. Which is more sporting or noble, to raise animals for no purpose but to die for our nourishment, or to pursue an animal in its own environment where its senses far outweigh your own, to harvest an animalo with your own skills so that you appreciate the pain and joy of life more, rather than hire out to a slaughterhouse to routinely do the dirty work for you and never have to think about it? For me it is very humbling and awe inspiring to know that the creator of this earth created such beauty... and yet he allows us to destroy it for our nourishment because we are much more valuable to him than they are. It causes a profound respect and awe for animals and the creator of those animals, in me.
106 posted on 03/22/2002 4:43:28 PM PST by Terriergal
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To: Sungirl
Boy oh boy you are not reading straight.
107 posted on 03/22/2002 4:44:36 PM PST by Terriergal
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To: Sungirl
I kill my food where the animal feels the most comfortable; The last thing it sees is its familiar territory instead of the inside of a cold barn. And usually it only feels tired, with a good bow shot there is very little pain or distress involved. It doesn't see other animals suffering, it always has the freedom to turn a different route instead of coming in range of my bow or shotgun.

I'm amazed that you would call us bad when we are simply doing what your beloved animals do. And we at least try to do it more humanely. Many pack hunting animals start ripping out their prey's innards before the animal is even dead.

108 posted on 03/22/2002 4:47:54 PM PST by Terriergal
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To: Lazarus Long
Q. What's the difference between an anti-hunter and someone who hunts?

A. 48 hours in the wilderness without food.

109 posted on 03/22/2002 4:50:55 PM PST by Terriergal
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To: Sungirl
I just do not believe that every Tom Dick and Harry should have the right to shoot animals when they feel like it.

Have you ever read a hunting regulation booklet? Do that sometime. You might find it educational.

110 posted on 03/22/2002 4:51:50 PM PST by Terriergal
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To: Sungirl
By the way they are free at any sporting goods store/dept that sells hunting licenses or you can look them up online at your state's DNR site.
111 posted on 03/22/2002 4:52:42 PM PST by Terriergal
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To: Sungirl
Uncorrupted by evil, malice, or wrongdoing; sinless Not guilty of a specific crime or offense; legally blameless: was innocent of all charges. Within, allowed by, or sanctioned by the law; lawful.

Since animals are considered incapable of intent, this is pretty much a default - regardless of their actions - making the term useless. It is not illegal for a cat to toy with a cute little chipmunk - torturing said chipmunk for hours until it dies from the abuse. It is likewise not illegal for the cat to go and kill other small animals and leave their remains lying about uneaten. It is not illegal for deer to charge travelling cars, or even to "jaywalk". It is not illegal for deer to abandon their elders to the elements, leving them out to freeze or starve. How many "deadbeat-dad" animals are out there. One rarely hears of one sending funds through the government "child-support clearing-houses" to support abandoned children. If you wish to elevate them to be the equals of men, then surely they can be expected to obey simple laws, yes?

Not dangerous or harmful;

Hardly applicable to animals. They act by their nature, and harm or not without regard to laws of men. Nearly all animals can be dangerous - especially mammals.

innocuous: an innocent prank. Candid; straightforward.

A deer or moose can be perfectly straightforward as it gores you. As to the smaller animals? Their death via hunting is almost universally far less painfull than their natural lot in life.

BTW, are you aware just how much damage prohibitions and limits against hunting deer do to the environment and to other animals - especially herbivores? According to a Smithsonian study from the early 1990s, deer reduce the populations of other forest animals by up to 90%. In other words, in some areas, deer reduce the number of birds, squirrels, flying squirels, and other smaller animals to as little as 1/10th of their natural non-deer-infested levels.

112 posted on 03/22/2002 4:53:25 PM PST by lepton
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To: Sungirl
It's sporting because it's good practice for times when you might have to kill people. (like in a war) The best snipers have extensive hunting experience, and they are indispensible.
113 posted on 03/22/2002 4:57:42 PM PST by Terriergal
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To: Sungirl
..if you wonder why some animals are dying out it's because of the hunters.

Go look up the amount of acreage that groups associated with the NRA have restored or preserved. Compare that to the acrage that groups like the Sierra Club have restored. You'll find that the NRA has outdone them by at least an order of magnitude. You have to have bunnies to shoot bunnies.

Most animals are dying out because no one owns them. IT's part of "the Tragedy of the Commons".

114 posted on 03/22/2002 4:58:18 PM PST by lepton
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To: Sungirl
Not guilty of a specific crime or offense

So... animals never kill each other just because one is in the other's way? Ever watch male lions? They drive out the leader of a pride, then kill the leader's cubs. Within weeks the females come into heat again because they have no cubs to look after and they pretty much throw themselves at the new leader who just prior to this had killed their cubs.

They sound so innocent... loving... I'm getting weepy.... (sobbing)

115 posted on 03/22/2002 5:00:34 PM PST by Terriergal
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
She has spent the last twenty years working to have gun control laws put into place and then does this?

I am sick and tried of "know it all do gooders" and the left in general acting as if the laws of this country should be for the little people and not for them!

If a member of the NRA or a hunter who does not believe in her vision of the world had done this Brady and the groups she supports would be demanding his head.

I wonder if the rifle was purchased at a gun show. That would be too perfect.

116 posted on 03/22/2002 5:01:41 PM PST by Ironsman
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To: Terriergal
Actually, the vacuous and hollow much prefer to have others kill their suppers. While the true hunter eats all he/she kills and is proud of his/her accomplishment, the anti-hunter who eats meat is akin to a person who hires a hitman to do their dirty work for them. Intellectually dishonest, to say the least, the person who condemns the hunter, yet indulges in a good steak from time to time. If the anti who eats meat only knew the sometimes "barbaric" methods to kill the animals they purchase at the grocery store.

Instaed, they live in a disconnected world of their own. Oblivious to reality.

117 posted on 03/22/2002 5:02:15 PM PST by Thumper1960
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To: Thumper1960
"For your sake, I do hope you are a complete and absolute vegetarian. No milk, no eggs, no animal products for your feet or makeup. None. Otherwise, your condemning sport hunting is hypocritical and your opinion is, therefore, irrelevant.."

Hey Thumper1960 these anti gun, anti hunting people also have to stop eating plants and breathing as well.

Plants are alive and when pulled from the ground and eaten, isn't that killing them also Sungirl?. Better not breath or your kill a microbe or a few zillion. Hey don't walk around either, your stepping on all sorts of creatures. The real conundrum is if you stop eating, breathing you'll die and that would also constitute killing?????????

Sort of a damned if you do and damned if you don't situation.

118 posted on 03/22/2002 5:04:06 PM PST by Mikey
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To: Mikey
You forgot to forbid bathing and using antibiotics for infection.

Even the parasites deserve to live...........unless they're Demoncrat.

119 posted on 03/22/2002 5:06:11 PM PST by Thumper1960
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To: lepton
How about those goofy people that are concerned about the rarity of the giant squid? They got this brilliant idea that they could capture some young ones and transport them to an aquarium for study. So they have them in this tank in a big ship and before they can get to land, the thirteen babies died for unknown reasons. So now after thinking about it they think they're ready to try (read: risk more of the rare giant squid babies' lives) to transport them again so they can do whatever they are wanting to do to "save the giant squid." There is something wrong with that picture.

In fact deer are more and more numerous as time goes on. Rare or threatened animals are not allowed to be hunted.

Read a hunting regulation booklet, Sungirl. It talks about the ways in which you may legally harvest, what weapons you can use and where, how you cannot use artificial lights at night for most animals, how you cannot trespass, etc. etc...which animals are protected and which are not (but have very specifically formulated bag limits which serve to STRENGTHEN the population and give them room to reproduce without over stressing the food supply. It's when the PETA people get involved and object to hunting that the animals overrun the land's capacity to support them.

120 posted on 03/22/2002 5:07:17 PM PST by Terriergal
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To: Redcloak
"So if li'l Scotty has an accident with the gun his mommy bought, will Sarah sue Remington?"

Probably, unless he shoots and kills mommy, than daddy will sue Remington.

121 posted on 03/22/2002 5:08:44 PM PST by Mikey
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To: Thumper1960
I knew I left something out. Thank's.
122 posted on 03/22/2002 5:09:42 PM PST by Mikey
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To: Sungirl
LOL! I'll bet I know more 'hunters' than you do.....believe me...It is TYPICAL.

Yes I'm sure you go to hunting banquets and archery club meetings and ducks unlimited meetings and spend a lot of time in the field with hunters to find out how they behave.

123 posted on 03/22/2002 5:11:52 PM PST by Terriergal
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To: Sungirl
Your profile says you love cats... so do coyotes.
124 posted on 03/22/2002 5:13:55 PM PST by Terriergal
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To: Thumper1960
Hey hey now Thumper let's not get nasty - we need to have Democrats around to provide negative examples for us all to learn from.
125 posted on 03/22/2002 5:15:07 PM PST by Terriergal
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To: Thumper1960
Bingo. But hey I enjoy a good steak from time to time... ;-)
126 posted on 03/22/2002 5:16:23 PM PST by Terriergal
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To: Thumper1960
BUMP for a hypocrite!
127 posted on 03/22/2002 5:19:23 PM PST by dcwusmc
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To: Mikey
Plants are alive and when pulled from the ground and eaten, isn't that killing them also Sungirl?.

But Mikey, they can't scream in pain or look cute so it doesn't matter, remember? The wrongness of killing a given animal is in direct relation to the aesthetically pleasing factor of the animal.

seriously though the case could be made by the PETA nuts that plants don't possess a central nervous system and so don't feel pain or have emotions like the innocent animals...

*sigh* but you know... I garden, and I feel bad when I have been nursing seedlings along, find I have too many, and leave them to die if I can't fit them into my garden. I really do feel guilty sometimes! Isn't that funny? However I continue to act upon reality. ;-)

128 posted on 03/22/2002 5:21:03 PM PST by Terriergal
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To: Sungirl
Anyone that acts in a manner you describe is not a hunter. Moreover, there is no way in hell you know more hunters than I do. You might associate with a bunch of unethical slobs, but you don't associate with hunters if the people you hang around with act in the manner you describe. If you have personal knowledge of such actions, and are not merely prattling on with PETA propaganda that you have been spoon-fed, I hope you turned them in and testified against each and every one of them. If you didn't you are an accessory after the fact - and should be prosecuted as well.

You need better friends. I suggest you come up north for bow season and spend a couple of afternoons in a tree stand with me...and observe how a true 'hunter' appreciates the wild.

129 posted on 03/22/2002 5:24:08 PM PST by Abundy
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To: Abundy
You might associate with a bunch of unethical slobs

There's a joke there...

130 posted on 03/22/2002 5:25:05 PM PST by Terriergal
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To: Terriergal
I can't believe you are completely missing my point about hunters. IF they killed for food only it would be different. But the typical hunter does it for SPORT.....why do you people keep avoiding my point?

Killing animals for sport should not be taught to children...period.

131 posted on 03/22/2002 5:29:49 PM PST by Sungirl
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To: Terriergal
Um...animals kill their food because they don't know any better and have to do it to survive. To them its necessity...NOw hunters on the other hand??? IS this too difficult?
133 posted on 03/22/2002 5:31:11 PM PST by Sungirl
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To: Sungirl
You are missing the point. Hunters eat what they kill for "sport."
134 posted on 03/22/2002 5:32:30 PM PST by Terriergal
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To: Sungirl
IN fact it's pretty much illegal not to use the animals you take. (except when killing varmints or pests I believe) Again I say, get thee to a hunting regulations booklet.
135 posted on 03/22/2002 5:33:44 PM PST by Terriergal
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To: Sungirl
The ONLY reason we don't have to do it out of necessity is because we raise domestic animals for slaughter.
136 posted on 03/22/2002 5:35:32 PM PST by Terriergal
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To: Sungirl
True hunters don't kill for sport - they eat what they kill. Again, if the knuckleheads you hang around with don't eat what they kill they are not hunters.

Yes, I eat what I kill. My son loves venison, although he has yet to take a deer. He loves the woods and loves the time we spend together in the pursuit of squirrels and deer. Going to introduce him to rabbit, pheasant and duck hunting this year if I can undo all the total spoiling my wife has done to our Labrador and our Beagle.

There's almost nothing better than squirrel pot pie or roast pheasant....

137 posted on 03/22/2002 5:35:34 PM PST by Abundy
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To: Terriergal
which animals are protected and which are not (but have very specifically formulated bag limits which serve to STRENGTHEN the population and give them room to reproduce without over stressing the food supply.

LOL!! SInce when do hunters obey the bag limits?? NOT where I came from ..Western New York. The Grounds dept where I worked would deliberately drive the state owned van into the deer grazing throughout the acres of grounds and pretend it was a car accident and the deers fault....they did this on the second shift of course and were hardly seen. THen I continually heard about the plans to get away with more deer than were allowed...all kinds of deceiptful plans.... THen there is this guy who just last year here in florida told me about his hunting fatherinlaw who said he was going hunting and was talking about getting the PROTECTED cougars...he said they were definetley coming home with one of those because "THERE AREN"T MANY OF THEM LEFT YA KNOW!!" TYPICAL! Have you been out in the real world?

138 posted on 03/22/2002 5:36:17 PM PST by Sungirl
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To: Sungirl
IS this too difficult???

May I remind you that you are looking as silly to us as we are to you right now?

140 posted on 03/22/2002 5:36:43 PM PST by Terriergal
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To: Terriergal
Where I'm from the farmers are more than happy to let you use their crop-damage permits to take deer. While the deer are pests and do thousands of dollars of damage to crops, the farmers have no desire to kill them and let the meat go to waste....
141 posted on 03/22/2002 5:36:59 PM PST by Abundy
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To: Terriergal
May I remind you that you are looking as silly to us as we are to you right now?

No, sillier...no one is picturing us wringing our hands, jumping up and down screaming about poor defenseless animals while wearing a leather coat, alligator boots and a fur muffler...

142 posted on 03/22/2002 5:38:19 PM PST by Abundy
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To: EricOKC
Repopulate a species which does well on its own? Perhaps some sub-species of wolves are in danger, but on the whole, wolves and coyote are doing quite well. I dont believe my eyes are the ones which need opening.

They just had a national geographic special on this..how they admit making the mistake and are trying desperately to bring them back. It won't be in your local paper. LOL!

143 posted on 03/22/2002 5:38:21 PM PST by Sungirl
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To: Abundy
IN fact hunters who hunt and can't use what they hunt often donate it to a group called FHFH (Farmers and Hunters Feeding the Hungry). One guy (can't recall the name) ran across a woman who'd just hit a deer, he stopped to help and she asked him if he would help her put it in her trunk so they'd have something to eat. He felt bad that poor people were going around eating roadkill so started up FHFH.
144 posted on 03/22/2002 5:39:06 PM PST by Terriergal
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To: Terriergal
Meetings and banquets...hahahhaha....yeah..that's where the truth lies...lol! I lived in hunting country.
145 posted on 03/22/2002 5:39:15 PM PST by Sungirl
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To: Sungirl
One reason I dislike hunters....I hear stories like this ALL THE TIME. TALLAHASSEE, Fla. (Reuters) - A frustrated would-be deer hunter who failed to find his prey shot at penned-in domestic animals instead, killing a registered-breed Arabian horse and wounding a horse and dog, officials said on Thursday. ... SO TYPICAL 32 posted on 3/22/02 1:23 PM Pacific by Sungirl

Pot-Kettle-Black...
Okay then let's play this Stupid, childish game.
Let's talk about the Headcases that go around bombing Colleges and other Test sites that use animals. Hmm they had the same outlook on animals as you!

So are you a Murderer, SG? Hmmm you are as close to the terrorists that bomb Schools and Research Centers as I am to the Idiot that shot that Horse. Actually you are probably a lot closer that you would like to admit.

Yeah, let's play this Game.
BTW it is illegal in the State That I live in to let your "pet" roam freely. And it is also legal to shoot Cats! Why, because they are known to kill for the enjoyment of it. And to think you own one! You have in fact contributed to the killing of innocent animals by your cat for the cat's enjoyment.

You're no better than Sara Brady. Preach one set of rules for the serfs, but you live under a different set.

You run with a Great Bunch SG.

146 posted on 03/22/2002 5:39:38 PM PST by Area51
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To: Terriergal
Just realized, 145 posts and it hasn't been said yet...

A moose bit my sister once...

147 posted on 03/22/2002 5:40:53 PM PST by Abundy
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To: Terriergal
IN fact it's pretty much illegal not to use the animals you take.

ANd this proves what? That the law out there in the woods is followed?? HAha
Hey...did you ever in your life drink alcohol and go hunting? Don't lie now....

148 posted on 03/22/2002 5:40:55 PM PST by Sungirl
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To: Sungirl
BTW if you read the hunting regulations booklet in pretty much every state it's illegal to use a car to harvest deer.

Also illegal to use artificial lights. Hunting regulations are based on fair chase. People who don't adhere to fair chase are just killers of animals, not hunters. Of course, there may be a greater population of animal killers in a place like New York where the Lefties have so much sway.

149 posted on 03/22/2002 5:41:35 PM PST by Terriergal
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To: Sungirl
So because some people don't obey the law does that mean those who do shouldn't participate in the activity?
150 posted on 03/22/2002 5:43:02 PM PST by Terriergal
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