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Defining 'Social Democracy'
WorldNetDaily ^ | 03-23-02 | Henry Lamb

Posted on 03/23/2002 2:14:06 AM PST by rambo316

Americans tend to react emotionally to words such as Nazi, communist and socialist, with very little understanding of what distinguishes one from the other. The term "social democracy," stirs little emotion, because it too, is not well understood.

Democratic socialism is a kinder, gentler form of Marxism, which arose throughout Europe after World War II. The Scandinavian countries – Britain, France, The Netherlands – all proudly wear the "Democratic Socialist" label. The United States wears no such label but, increasingly, it should.

The credo of all forms of Marxism is: "from each according to his ability; to each according to his need" – with the government being the supreme arbiter and enforcer of the redistribution. What distinguishes the various brands of Marxism is the means by which this basic goal is achieved.

From the start, the system of self-governance devised in America rejected the notion that the government is the supreme anything. Just the opposite. The U.S. Constitution defines the government to be the creation of the people, empowered by the people's consent, and severely limited in the powers it may exercise over its citizens.

For nearly 200 years, this limited government power unleashed the unlimited power of free people, who built the most prosperous society the world has ever known. Since the early 1970s, however, America has been gradually moving more toward the Democratic Socialist model and away from the limited government created by our founders.

In Europe, people are proud to be called Democratic Socialist. Not so in America. The word "socialist" still has a negative connotation politicians work hard to avoid, even while promoting socialist policies. The Congressional Progressive Caucus is the label under which the Democratic Socialist agenda is advanced in America, working closely with the Democratic Socialists of America.

Program after program, the government has consolidated more and more power to dictate how people should live by taking wealth from those who have ability and redistributing it to those who have need – as determined by the government.

Social Democrats in both political parties are transforming America from a system of limited government, empowered by the consent of the people, to a social democracy in which the government is the supreme arbiter and enforcer of the redistribution of wealth, and the dictator of socially acceptable behavior.

This fact is indisputable, as evidenced by the increasing government control of land and resource use, of education, of health care, of industry, and even of speech and personal behavior.

Socialists welcome this transformation and continue to push for more government control. The socialists are winning, not because the people have debated, considered and voted to become a social democracy, but because the people have not resisted the socialist initiatives.

In fact, the very people who would violently oppose changing our form of government to a social democracy often support socialist initiatives because they are carefully labeled "smart growth," "sustainable development," "comprehensive land-use planning," "School to Work," "campaign reform," and on and on and on.

Programs – regardless of their labels – which take power away from individuals, and local and state elected officials, and increase the power of the federal government advance the transformation of America to a social democracy.

On the other hand, programs that leave land-use decisions to local elected officials, that leave education curriculum to local elected school boards and, perhaps most importantly, leave the dollars earned by individuals in the individuals' pockets advance the principles of freedom and reject the principles of social democracy.

The American experiment in self-governance has proven to be among mankind's highest achievements. We who have benefited from this experiment owe a debt to our forefathers and have a responsibility to our posterity, and to the world. We cannot let this experiment be negated by a revised version of the Marxism that has crushed the hopes of all who have been victimized by it.

We must recognize this subtle, sinister effort to transform the American system of self-governance and, as have previous generations, rise up and create the means to extinguish the threat. Our fathers and grandfathers battled with bullets to save our great nation.

Ballots are the ammunition for this generation, cast by an army of awakened patriots.


TOPICS: Editorial; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: communism
Like I have said many times before, Democracy=Socialism and the ultimate goal of Socialism is Communism. The majority of Americans have been bamboozled into thinking that America is a Democracy. Not once in our constitution is our Republic refered too as a democracy. Democracy is "Mob Rule" or governing by special interests.
1 posted on 03/23/2002 2:14:06 AM PST by rambo316
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To: rambo316
This is one article that needs to be read by everyone you know. Please forward it to friends, colleagues, family, etc. It is our duty to explain it to anyone who doesn't understand.
2 posted on 03/23/2002 2:45:51 AM PST by SpyderTim
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To: rambo316
We currently have 53 members of Congress who are active, card carrying members of the Democratic Socialists of America. WHY? Why didn't anyone mention that these people were in fact communists during their election races? Go to the following link and look around a bit. THIS IS IMPORTANT - YOU NEED TO LOOK AT OUR ENEMY WITHIN.
3 posted on 03/23/2002 2:49:42 AM PST by 11B3
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To: rambo316
We do live by "Mob Rule", evidence Polls, one of the interesting studies about the Clinton administration is its lack of leadership.

One of the reasons so many people liked the Clinton government was that it reflected their opinions,how they formed those opinions is another matter.

4 posted on 03/23/2002 2:50:02 AM PST by ijcr
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To: rambo316
Excellent post. The following is from the www.votesocialist.org web site. Does this agenda sound familiar?

POLITICAL STRUCTURE
The Socialist Party stands for political activity independent of the two major corporate parties. We view electoral activity as an important component of the struggle for fundamental social change. Participation in elections (local, state, and national) is a valuable means of clarifying our position on a wide range of issues, of broadly disseminating our principles and programs, and of asserting and reaffirming our commitment to the democratic process.

GRASSROOTS DEMOCRACY

We call for the overhaul of the constitution of the United States in order to achieve a diverse legislative body.

We call for ballot access laws that give all political parties a fair chance to have their candidates appear on the ballot.

We support the introduction of proportional representation at every level of government.

We call for full representation for the US territories of Guam and Puerto Rico, all Native American reservations, and the District of Columbia.

FAIR ELECTION

The Socialist Party supports the public financing of candidates for public office as long as this funding extends to the candidates of alternative political parties.

We call for the closing of the loophole sanctioned by the Supreme Court under which candidates can spend an unlimited sum of their personal wealth on their own campaigns.

We call for equal access to media for all political parties.


5 posted on 03/23/2002 2:55:12 AM PST by NYer
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To: 11B3
HELLO!

That LINK takes you to Disabled Sports!

6 posted on 03/23/2002 2:59:31 AM PST by Elsie
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To: SpyderTim
From one Tim to another Tim, I did pass this around to all of my fellow patriots. It is not talked about enough.

To all of my fellow patriots on FR, could you please keep this thread alive because all Americans need to see this.

Republican politicians are involved in this also. President Bush Loves to call America a democracy along with a lot of Senators and Representatives.

7 posted on 03/23/2002 2:59:55 AM PST by rambo316
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To: 11B3
Go to the following link and look around a bit. THIS IS IMPORTANT - YOU NEED TO LOOK AT OUR ENEMY WITHIN.

Try as I might, I could find any enemies within your link to the Disabled Sports. Could you point them out to me?
8 posted on 03/23/2002 3:07:58 AM PST by pt17
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To: Elsie
OK, i should've checked it - sorry. I was TOO ILL after reading the correct link I guess....It is located at www.dsausa.org (HURL ALERT)
9 posted on 03/23/2002 3:15:29 AM PST by 11B3
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To: rambo316; fporretto
In fact, the very people who would violently oppose changing our form of government to a social democracy often support socialist initiatives because they are carefully labeled "smart growth," "sustainable development," "comprehensive land-use planning," "School to Work," "campaign reform," and on and on and on.

I think we might add "Equality" and "Human Rights" (at least the positive kind) to that list of labels.

10 posted on 03/23/2002 3:23:55 AM PST by Dan De Quille
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To: rambo316
Marxist social programs, quite fascist when it comes to the support of certain industries. This has to be the strangest coalition ever to rule this nation. Marxists and fascists forever with CFR in place.
11 posted on 03/23/2002 3:26:34 AM PST by steve50
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To: steve50
click on logos:

Democrat Socialist Party


Democrat Socialists in Congress


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12 posted on 03/23/2002 3:48:43 AM PST by Elle Bee
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To: rambo316
Democracy is "Mob Rule" or governing by special interests.

The 20% of Americans who smoke can attest to that :)

13 posted on 03/23/2002 3:51:53 AM PST by Lion's Cub
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To: 11B3
The link you are looking for is: Democratic Socialists of America.

However, that link no longer contains the listing of Congressional Members, which was deleted several months ago.That organization now seems to be known as: The Congressional Progressive Caucus

14 posted on 03/23/2002 3:55:35 AM PST by nygoose
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To: nygoose
That direct link from the DSA to the 'Progressive' Caucus seems to have disappeared shortly before the 2000 election. We're on to them, and the bastards know it.
15 posted on 03/23/2002 4:07:57 AM PST by Morgan's Raider
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To: rambo316
"Democracy=Socialism and the ultimate goal of Socialism is Communism"

Great article. But even it does not go on to point out that socialism is just a transitory stage to a communist society.

Thirty years ago that is what the college textbooks taught. I guess they don't teach that anymore.

16 posted on 03/23/2002 4:19:34 AM PST by Kerberos
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To: rambo316
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote. Benjamin Franklin

Good post!

17 posted on 03/23/2002 4:39:26 AM PST by BikerTrash
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To: Morgan's Raider
That direct link from the DSA to the 'Progressive' Caucus seems to have disappeared shortly before the 2000 election.

I'm glad you noticed it too. I've been looking for a good spot to mention it, but I didn't want to post a vanity and get buried by the Posting Police. Wish I knew the proper FR protocol on posting vanities because I believe that good discussions of important concepts do not always originate in articles by media people.

Freepers think differently than most media writers. I believe that it is important to encourage them to bring relevant issues of their own to this Forum without getting criticized by the aforementioned PP.

18 posted on 03/23/2002 5:14:11 AM PST by nygoose
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To: rambo316
Actually, Social Democracy arose in Germany after the Franco-Prussian War. Marx's revolution wasn't happening, so "reform" socialists stepped forward with the idea of reaching socialism through democracy. Bolshevik means majority, but majority of what? The Bolsheviks called themselves the majority of the Social Democratic Party of Russia. Actually, they were a tiny minority, but in one Congress, they outlasted everyone, who left and they had one vote as the majority. In the United States, you could say Social Democracy moved mainstream in the presidency of FDR, before WWII. Not to pick nits, but I'll nitpick anyway.
19 posted on 03/23/2002 5:36:53 AM PST by Kermit
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To: Elle Bee
As I'm sure you know, AFL-CIO's Sweeney is a member. I'll have to study this garbage some more, but I'm getting the impression the "Working Family Agenda" is totally based on socialist ideology.
20 posted on 03/23/2002 6:05:25 AM PST by flim-flam
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To: Kermit
I define fascism as criminally corrupt socialism, aka Clintonazis. The political elite's increasing control over the factors of production enriches themselves in power and wealth. Bread, circuses, and trains that run on time are cheap "investments" to buy votes from social parasites and foolish utopians. Wealth redistribution schemes are THE means to political power, other peoples' money.

Federal to local, our governments are no longer restrained by our Constitution and Rule of Law. Millions of government employees are one of the strongest organized labor unions empowered to control the control of the population. The holders of high office have contempt for their oath of office and the citizen. We have become regulated servants of government under threats of penalty of usually incomprehensible law. American's individual freedom and rights to private property are vanishing in one life time. Judicial fiat is efficient. Sovereign immunity is the rule.

21 posted on 03/23/2002 6:47:06 AM PST by SevenDaysInMay
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To: nygoose
BTTT!!!!! Let's keep this thread going.
22 posted on 03/23/2002 7:25:37 AM PST by NYer
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To: Kerberos; rambo316
"Great article. But even it does not go on to point out that socialism is just a transitory stage to a communist society."

Two useful quotes that have been around for awhile:

"The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism. But, under the name of 'liberalism,' they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program, until one day America will be a socialist nation, without knowing how it happened." - Norman Thomas, former U. S. Socialist Presidential Candidate (1936 and many other years)

"We cannot expect Americans to jump from capitalism to communism, but we can assist their elected leaders in giving Americans doses of socialism until they suddenly awake to find out they have communism." - Nikita S. Khrushchev

23 posted on 03/23/2002 7:41:34 AM PST by Commiewatcher
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To: flim-flam
Sweeny lies to parse that he is a Social Democrat and not a commie

The distinction is lost upon me

Federal Officials Probe Stock Offer To Union Chiefs by Global Crossing ~ WSJ.

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Global Crossing: Labor's Questionable Windfall

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24 posted on 03/23/2002 8:07:27 AM PST by Elle Bee
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To: Commiewatcher
I am familiar with both of those quotes. And that is what I find disturbing in that for some time I have been seeing it happen before my eyes.

Incidentally Khrushchev always said that the downfall of America would not be an externally event, but an internal one.

25 posted on 03/23/2002 8:24:38 AM PST by Kerberos
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To: Kerberos
"Incidentally Khrushchev always said that the downfall of America would not be an externally event, but an internal one."

"America will destroy itself from within" is attributed to Lenin, I think. Khruschev also said they would use the 'public education' system, but I've never found a decent quote on it. The fact that this has been happening over the past 30 years is obvious for me to see, all I have to do is to look at what has happened to the once fine public schools I attended.

26 posted on 03/23/2002 9:01:18 AM PST by Commiewatcher
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To: Commiewatcher
""Incidentally Khrushchev always said that the downfall of America would not be an externally event, but an internal one."

Not as I remember it. And I remember hearing it from when I was a kid. It was during Khrushchev's visit to the US during the Kennedy years. Of course what I posted was not an exact quote, but basically the gist of it.

"all I have to do is to look at what has happened to the once fine public schools I attended."

I was talking with a co-worker of mine the other day who has two girls in college. She was telling me that they say you cannot even begin to take a conservative stance on anything or you are immediately shut down. And of course whites can't even begin to understand discrimination because they have always been the oppressor.

My daughter just started kindergarten this year, I had children late in life, so I am just starting to get back to looking at what the school system is doing. And I am watching them like a hawk.

However living in the Midwest their might be hope. I did notice that at the Christmas show this year the kindergarten group stated their set with the pledge of allegiance, and ended it with God bless America.

27 posted on 03/23/2002 10:28:47 AM PST by Kerberos
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To: rambo316
BTTT
28 posted on 03/23/2002 11:19:40 AM PST by Waco Uppo
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To: rambo316
Your comments are apt. You make your point.

For more on the Socialist mentality, see The Lies Of Socialism.

William Flax

29 posted on 03/23/2002 11:24:08 AM PST by Ohioan
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bttt
30 posted on 03/23/2002 12:52:54 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe
In viewing this thread, I may have missed but the home of socialism and the greatest threat to the Unites States is the Democratic Party. Almost half of all Americans are Democrats. How many people on this web site support the idea of Social Security and Medicare. These are socialistic programs that are bankrupting the United States. I personally believe the United States cannot be saved and will fragment into a number of small regional republics before the year 2016. And the Democratic Party will directly responsible. Every single conservative on this site has friends and family who are Democrats. Almost all in one form or another support Social Security and Medicare, look forward to when it's their turn to suck the teat, and look at you with chagrin if you suggest these programs should be eliminated from America and as quickly as possible. Don't take my word for it; talk to your parents, brothers and sisters, aunts and uncles. The United States was the finest government ever devised by the mind of man. But it began deteroriating significantly in 1913, took a giant leap away from reality in 1932, and a quantum leap away from reality in 1965 under Lyndon Johnson. Clinton, will be argued by many to be the worst president in American history, but there is strong argument that this is not true. Without Lydndon's administration, Clinton could never have been elected and even if elected could not have been re-elected and would have been completely ineffectual. If we can't end the Democratic Party quickly, the United States is doomed. Since I don't believe we are going to do away with Democrats like the Taliban even if the Democrats deserve it because they are a far greater threat, then the quicker the United States fragments the quicker we will all get our freedoms back. Want conservative government? I think that the chances are slim that the government in Washington is ever going to be changed for the better. Better government will only come from competeing regional governments that will form in the dissolution of the United States.

Freedom in our lifetimes is impossible while the Democratic Party lives. One state will secede before the end of this decade. I can hardly wait. I loved the United States, but it died thirty years ago. It is high time we bury it and get back to the business of restoring our freedoms.

31 posted on 03/24/2002 8:14:21 AM PST by B. A. Conservative
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To: 11B3; Yall
"We currently have 53 members of Congress who are active, card carrying members of the Democratic Socialists of America."

Yep, and with the exception of Ron Paul, ALL the rest of them are social democrats, -- or social republicans.

-- As defined by the article, BOTH political parties are dominated by socialistic agendas.
And have been since Goldwater.

32 posted on 03/24/2002 8:41:46 AM PST by tpaine
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