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Help Fight Shays-Meehan (CFR)
Special to FreeRepublic | 23 March 2002 | Congressman Billybob (John Armor)

Posted on 03/23/2002 2:13:25 PM PST by Congressman Billybob

Help Fight Shays-Meehan (CFR)

As many of you know, one of your colleagues, Congressman Billybob (John Armor, Esq., in real life) will file one of the briefs in the US Supreme Court in opposition to Shays-Meehan.

He will file it on behalf of the American Civil Rights Union, which believes in protecting and enforcing the Constitution as written. One of its Advisory Board members is the Hon. Robert Bork.

Click here to visit the ACRU website.

This brief does not depend on your responses to this notice. It will be filed in any event. But all FReepers who wish to play a role in the effort to have Shays-Meehan declared unconstitutional, are invited to contribute what they choose to the ACRU. It is a tax-deductible, legal charity.

All who contribute at least $25 will receive a copy of the Supreme Court brief. Please visit the ACRU site to confirm that their vision of the Constitution is the same as yours, and the same as that of Jim Robinson and FreeRepublic.

Then if you wish to help, mail your checks to:

American Civil Rights Union
3213 Duke Street
Number 625
Alexandria, VA 22314

Be sure to include your name and address if you wish to receive a copy of the Supreme Court brief. Write "FreeRepublic" on the memo line of your check so we know you responded to this appeal. Include your screen name if you would like to be thanked publicly on this thread. Do NOT send any contributions greater than $100. Reserve such large donations for FreeRepublic.

You will NOT get on any mailing list, snail mail, e-mail, or otherwise, by responding to this request. All information will be kept in strict confidence, unless you include your screen name so you can be thanked on this thread by that name.

By the way, the ACRU was the client for the very successful brief also filed by Congressman Billybob in the Bush/Florida case. The text of that brief was posted on FreeRepublic in December, 2000.

If you have any questions about this message, please contact: congressmanbillybob@earthlink.net

Thank you for your consideration of this request for help. (Both Congressman Billybob and the American Civil Rights Union are entirely independent of FreeRepublic. However, this request is being posted with the permission of Jim Robinson.)


TOPICS: Activism/Chapters; Constitution/Conservatism; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: bush; cfr; cfrlist; constitution; daschle; meeham; shays; silenceamerica; supremecourt
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You know me. You know the subject. E-mail or FReep-mail me with any questions.
1 posted on 03/23/2002 2:13:25 PM PST by Congressman Billybob
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To: Congressman Billybob
Bump for the constitution.
2 posted on 03/23/2002 2:19:21 PM PST by OwenKellogg
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To: Congressman Billybob
BTTT
3 posted on 03/23/2002 2:22:33 PM PST by kattracks
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To: Congressman Billybob
Thank you, Congressman Billybob. And good luck in the ring. We need to KO this BS.
Regards, Jim Robinson
4 posted on 03/23/2002 2:29:05 PM PST by Jim Robinson
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To: Congressman Billybob
Any arrangements for contributing by plastic (VISA, etc.)? Since I don't live in the U.S., I don't have a checking account there.
5 posted on 03/23/2002 2:38:10 PM PST by Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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To: Congressman Billybob
Thank you! You are a class act. God bless the work of your hands.
6 posted on 03/23/2002 2:40:32 PM PST by .30Carbine
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To: Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
Unfortunately, the American Civil Rights Union is not sufficiently commercial to have means of accepting plastic. But if someone outside the US gave a good friend in the US the right to use the plastic for one transaction, that person could send a check in US funds.

Thanks for the interest. And if you can find a way to help. it would be appreciated. There's no hurry, since the brief will not be due in the Supreme Court for at least two months, even if the trial court acts quickly, and the Supreme Court also shortens its normal times to file.

Billybob

7 posted on 03/23/2002 2:49:18 PM PST by Congressman Billybob
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To: Congressman Billybob
Bump for the Constitution. Go get 'em Congressman!!!
8 posted on 03/23/2002 2:51:39 PM PST by usconservative
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To: Congressman Billybob
Unfortunately, the American Civil Rights Union is not sufficiently commercial to have means of accepting plastic.

Thank you for reply although I didn’t understand a word of it (the ins and outs of it) : ). Anyway, I do have one question. But, but, but -- We can donate to FR through our plastics – and this is where I am confused – and FR is not commercial. See my confusion? I guess the key words are “not sufficiently commercial” whatever that means.

Sorry for being a pain. I promise not to bother you anymore.

9 posted on 03/23/2002 3:05:26 PM PST by Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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To: Congressman Billybob
Nice work, Congressman. May God bless you and give you success.
10 posted on 03/23/2002 3:16:48 PM PST by Faith
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To: Congressman Billybob
You're a hero, Conressman Billybob. Moistening the postage stamp...
11 posted on 03/23/2002 3:16:54 PM PST by EverOnward
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To: *CFR list;*Silence, America!;Free the USA
index bump and fyi
12 posted on 03/23/2002 3:19:57 PM PST by Fish out of Water
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To: Congressman Billybob
If you want to beat CFR, why did you choose Starr?
So, that you'll lose on the most important aspects of the bill in court?
13 posted on 03/23/2002 3:28:40 PM PST by Nephi
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To: Nephi
If you want to beat CFR, why did you choose Starr?

In cases relying on legal theory, Judge Starr has a very impressive record. At one point he was 23-1 in cases with the Clinton Administration.

14 posted on 03/23/2002 4:03:09 PM PST by lepton
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To: Congressman Billybob
By the way, the ACRU was the client for the very successful brief also filed by Congressman Billybob in the Bush/Florida case.

Which one was that? Could you make a link please?

15 posted on 03/23/2002 4:04:19 PM PST by lepton
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To: Congressman Billybob; Richard Axtell; Cyber Liberty; Slip18; uglybiker; Molly Pitcher...
Will do what I can to get some checks in the mail, Billybob!

LET THE PINGING BEGIN!!!

16 posted on 03/23/2002 4:11:50 PM PST by dittomom
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To: Congressman Billybob
You'll get my check next week.
17 posted on 03/23/2002 4:15:51 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: Congressman Billybob; ReaganGirl
I know you've got some tough competition, Billybob! GO GET 'EM!!!

EVERYONE - Please read this from the March 11 issue of National Review...

Supporters of campaign-finance regulation like to portray themselves as an underfunded, scrappy grassroots coalition. However, a study conducted last year for the American Conservative Union by election-law attorney Cleta Mitchell found that groups dedicated to promoting campaign-finance reform spent over $73 million over the three-year period from 1997 through 1999. By comparison, the Center for Responsive Politics (CRP), one of the most prominent campaign-finance-reform organizations, lists total political spending by the "mortgage banking" industry at under $12 million, and by "Health Services and HMOs" at under $14 million, for the four-year period from 1997 through 2000. Even the dreaded drug manufacturers contributed just $28 million over that four-year period, or 40 percent of that spent in just three years by groups promoting campaign-finance regulation. Yet the campaign-finance regulators always portray these industries as colossally and harmfully big spenders.

Later in the same article you find this tidbit...

Assuming it becomes law, the bill will not end the influence of money in politics, but instead will drive such influence further underground. A glimpse of the future may have occurred at a dinner last October that raised $800,000 for the Brennan Center, a pro-reform group. Co-chaired by pro-reform senators Hillary Clinton and Charles Schumer, and featuring Sen. John McCain, the dinner was underwritten by corporate donors, who were solicited to attend. Sponsors included over two dozen large law firms with Washington lobbying practices, plus such corporations as Coca-Cola, Philip Morris, and, naturally, Enron.

This National Review Article was entitled, "The Gaggers and Gag-making - Hypocrisy among the campaign-finance reformers" and was written by Bradley A. Smith, a member of the Federal Election Commission.

18 posted on 03/23/2002 4:32:39 PM PST by dittomom
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To: dittomom
It looks like it's time to fetch the checkbook, whet the pen, find a stamp and do things the old-fashioned way, huh?
19 posted on 03/23/2002 4:50:04 PM PST by Cyber Liberty
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To: Congressman Billybob
I am very proud to know you. Do you know if any of our views on the subject are getting through to President Bush? I can't imagine that he cares much but I wonder if any of his staff knows how damaging this is to his political base.
20 posted on 03/23/2002 5:29:56 PM PST by RamsNo1
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To: dittomom; Congressman BillyBob
Check will be in the mail on Monday.

Thanks for all your efforts, BillyBob!

21 posted on 03/23/2002 6:00:05 PM PST by Slip18
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To: Congressman Billybob
In! I'll drop a check in the mail on Monday.
22 posted on 03/23/2002 6:22:51 PM PST by ModernDayCato
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To: Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
Do you have access to someone with Paypal? You can pay them and have them write out a check.
23 posted on 03/23/2002 6:23:38 PM PST by ModernDayCato
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To: Congressman Billybob;dittomom
Thanks Cong. and dittomom. I'll give it a bump and ping more in the a.m.
24 posted on 03/23/2002 6:47:00 PM PST by Molly Pitcher
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To: diotima;JohnHuang2;Chairman_De cember_19th_Society;dittomom,dalebert;samtheman;harpo11...
FYI Patriots!
25 posted on 03/24/2002 2:55:46 AM PST by Molly Pitcher
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To: Molly Pitcher
I'm present, and I can at least bump this back to the top.

26 posted on 03/24/2002 3:18:54 AM PST by backhoe
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To: Congressman Billybob
Congressman Billybob, may God bless you and your efforts to defend the Constitution.

May I call your attention to a suggestion I made on this thread? The idea is simply to persist in referring to the bill as "the unconstitutional CFR." This should help make people aware that the bill is indeed unconstitutional.

27 posted on 03/24/2002 4:03:48 AM PST by Smile-n-Win
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To: Jim Robinson;Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
Unfortunately, the American Civil Rights Union is not sufficiently commercial to have means of accepting plastic.

Jim, would it be possible to have a new category, "Opposing the unconstitutional CFR" on the FR donations page?

28 posted on 03/24/2002 4:10:27 AM PST by Smile-n-Win
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To: Molly Pitcher;All
Thank you, Molly very much for the bump and the article and thanks everybody on this thread for the valuable information.

Folks, please do what you can to help the Congressman in this endeavor. Our (christians and conservatives) very existence in our own communities is on the line here and we really do need to get the ad prohibitions in this bill if not the whole bill killed.
Regards.

29 posted on 03/24/2002 4:45:50 AM PST by E.G.C.
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To: dittomom
My check will be forthcoming. Thanks, dittomom. You're the best.

PS I hope you enjoy your vacation.

30 posted on 03/24/2002 5:18:27 AM PST by DLfromthedesert
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To: Congressman Billybob; dubyaismypresident; hobbes1; RikaStrom; xsmommy; gabz; CholeraJoe
Good morning ping!
31 posted on 03/24/2002 5:36:09 AM PST by Slip18
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To: Congressman Billybob
All right boys and girls as the old saying goes, talk is cheap.

This is a good thing for your local chapter to get involved in.

32 posted on 03/24/2002 5:47:30 AM PST by Valin
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To: Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
By "sufficiently commercial" I meant not "profit-making" but just "with it" in the commercial world. I know of very few entities in the real world which are not equipped to accept plastic. My colleagues at the American Civil Rights Union are, unfortunately, on that short list.

However, a contribution from overseas, even in the form of a check written in francs, for instance, can be handled by an American bank. A draft in dollars is preferred, but the other can be accepted.

Sorry for confusing you with my attempt at humor.

Billybob

33 posted on 03/24/2002 5:52:19 AM PST by Congressman Billybob
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To: Nephi
Neither I nor the ACRU "chose" Ken Starr. The lead plaintiff in any case -- here it is Senator McConnell -- chooses the lead counsel. It is obious that Ken Starr has substantial PR baggage. I doubt that I would have chosen him for this high profile position. But it was not my choice.

With that said, Starr is a former Circuit Court judge and a former Solicitor General of the US. As the poster just after you noted. Starr was 23-1 against the Clintons in court cases. He is one of the best appelate lawyers in the nation, and that's where the ultimate decision on Shays-Meehan will be made -- on appeal, in the Supreme Court.

With that said, the prior Supreme Court cases, about 24 of them, are so solidly against portions of Shays-Meehan that a blind lawyer with Tourette's Syndrome could get this law knocked out. Plus there will be about 100 lawyers in the case against this law, me included. Every one of us will give it our best shot to drive a wooden stake through the heart of Shays-Meehan.

WE WILL WIN THIS CASE. I feel so strongly about it that I have pledged to resign my 26-year membership in the Bar of the US Supreme Court if we don't win this case. For the first time ever, I have put not only my reputation but my profession on the line in a single case.

The key to this case is not Ken Starr or any other lawyer. It is the two dozen cases already decided by the Supreme Court which they would have to reverse in order to uphold Shays-Meehan. The Court reverses its own cases very rarely, and very cautioously. It has never in its history reversed a line of two dozen prior cases.

Does that help?

Billybob

34 posted on 03/24/2002 6:05:55 AM PST by Congressman Billybob
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To: Slip18
Now that's something I can do.

Morning Ping!

35 posted on 03/24/2002 6:23:29 AM PST by RikaStrom
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To: Congressman Billybob
By "sufficiently commercial" I meant not "profit-making" but just "with it" in the commercial world. I know of very few entities in the real world which are not equipped to accept plastic. My colleagues at the American Civil Rights Union are, unfortunately, on that short list.

You know that's not necessarily a bad thing.

36 posted on 03/24/2002 6:27:18 AM PST by Valin
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To: RamsNo1
Yes, my sources in the White House are good enough to know that President Bush IS aware of the firestorm of protest from staunch supporters over his decision to sign Shays-Meehan rather than veto it. What we have here is a political decision trumping a constitutional decision.

President Bush is gambling that Shays-Meehan will be struck down by the Supreme Court, and even more importantly, that it will be struck BEFORE the November election. If that happens, the issue is not only defanged for this election, it is reversed. Daschle & comapny will be placed on the defensive before the public. "Why did you push so hard to pass a bill that would have stolen the First Amendment rights of American citizens?"

I disagree with the decision that the Bush team made. However, I thoroughly understand it. I would never have gambled with the Constitution.

But if the Court strikes CFR before the election, and the Democrats suffer serious defeats in both the House and Senate, the Bush team's calculus will be vindicated. Furthermore, with the Senate then in Republican hands, there will be no more debacles like the political assassination of Judge Pickering, (Keep in mind that also means better Justices on the Supreme Court, when President Bush gets his opportunites to make appointments there.)

I'm sure my comment does not change your mind on this. I trust it makes you a touch more hopeful about future events involveing the courts.

Billybob

37 posted on 03/24/2002 6:31:15 AM PST by Congressman Billybob
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To: Molly Pitcher

"The battle is now joined on many fronts.
We will not waver,
We will not tire, We will not falter,
and We will not fail.
Peace and freedom will prevail." -
President George W. Bush--October 7, 2001
Call Now--Your Constitution is Under Seige
Only You Can Help Her Survive Fully Intact
Freedom Must Prevail--President Bush VETO CRF

38 posted on 03/24/2002 6:32:34 AM PST by harpo11
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To: lepton
I'm a bit of an amateur in making links. The easiest way to see all the briefs in the Bush/Florida case is to go to the Supreme Court's website: www.supremecourtus.gov

In this case, for the first time ever, it posted the full text of every brief filed in a case. Because of the fast schedule, only 14 attorneys managed to get briefs in. Only one of them -- mine -- urged the Court to "strike" the Florida Supreme Court decision and "do nothing else."

As it turned out, the Court neither affirmed nor reversed the Florida SC in round one. It "vacated" (struck) the decision and did nothing else. And the Court did that unanimously.

Anyone who is a glutton for punishment can put up a link and read all these briefs. In that case the ACLU was on the other side, supporting Gore. In this case the ACLU is on our side, opposing Shays-Meehan.

Billybob

39 posted on 03/24/2002 6:41:41 AM PST by Congressman Billybob
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To: Congressman Billybob
bump
40 posted on 03/24/2002 6:50:21 AM PST by Valin
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To: Congressman Billybob
Good morning, This issue was decided in Buckley back in 1976. That decision has been reaffirmed and broadened since then. In fact this Court reaffirmed Buckley about two years ago but I'm having trouble finding the case, so maybe it was three years ago.

Any way, the point is, this will not go away just because the Court strikes this down again. The Senate doesn't care what the Constitution says and some of them will bring it up again and again.

If Bush were to veto the bill and point to the court decisions that say this is unconstitutional, he also puts the scum on the defensive and lives up to his oath of office. By signing this bill, Bush loses the main reason many people voted for him. They thought he was honorable and could be trusted.

The political strategy the administration is following may be too slick by half. They stand to lose more than they gain.

A month or so ago, Rove was whining about the millions of Christians who stayed home in the 2000 election. If millions of conservatives stay home in 2002 because of this, we lose on two fronts.

41 posted on 03/24/2002 7:05:27 AM PST by SUSSA
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To: Molly Pitcher
Hear Ye, Hear Ye, Cyber-Patriots you know the drill!


Man the Phones. Man the Fax Machine.
Flood the E-mail Box.
Fight for Your Rights.
Now is the Time for All Good
Men and Women to Come to the Aid of Their Constitution.
Get Hot! Get Moving!

Let the President Hear You ROAR!!!

Thank you. You'll be happy you got that off your chest! And Lady Liberty will Love You For Being Her Champion!

42 posted on 03/24/2002 7:15:56 AM PST by harpo11
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To: Congressman Billybob
As a Federal employee I can assure you that there are issues behind the scene that Freepers can't possibly know that influence all types of decisions everyday. Even in my lowly position, I know my supervisors are making decisions based on facts unknown to me. They often seem idiotic until I find out the reasoning behind them. I think you're right about this . . . Bush may even have had some conversations with the SC justices already!

Some of the knee-jerk hysterics that some are spouting may seem idiotic a few months from now! All I can say is Washington takes more patience than most people can understand or comprehend. The art of politics is sometimes like a game of chess - the early moves may make no sense, but the goal is to win the game.

This has always been my opinion of Bush (after voting for him twice as governor) - he is a master chess player!

43 posted on 03/24/2002 7:42:11 AM PST by Alissa
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To: Congressman Billybob
Congressman Billybob, I Love your posts and look forward to them everyday.

Please do me a favor though, Tell me what you alluded to last week, about what Bush might do, that has never been done before, that would not require a veto of this bill.

I have been wondering about it all week. You can link me to the response if it has been made already.

Thanks

44 posted on 03/24/2002 7:57:03 AM PST by codercpc
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To: SUSSA
Good morning, my friend, good to hear from you.

You hit the nail on the head. Buckley is the granddaddy case in campaign finance "reform." It has been reaffirmed in two dozen other cases since 1976. Buckley will not be reversed, or "revisited" as Li'l Tommy Daschle suggested last week.

And under the plain language of Buckley several sections of Shays-Meehan are unconstitutional, and will be struck down.

I agree with you about the President's decision to sign this monstrosity. I would have much preferred that he stand on the Constitution and vetoed the bill and let the chips fall where they may.

However, it now looks like we will get a Supreme Court decision striking Shays-Meehan BEFORE the November elections. If so, Li'l Tommy Daschle & company (including McCain) will be on the defensive for "deliberately passing an unconstitutional bill."

If so, it is the Democrats and squish Republicans who will suffer most in November, 2002. The result will be a better Congress, And the new Congress will not repass the same monstrosity.

That's my read on the situation. And I'm doing my part by attacking CFR in the Supreme Court with all guns blazing.

Billybob

45 posted on 03/24/2002 8:12:14 AM PST by Congressman Billybob
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To: codercpc
Here is link to the plan that Congressman Billybob helped work on. This plan was not used by the President.
46 posted on 03/24/2002 8:17:13 AM PST by ao98
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To: dittomom; Congressman Billybob
Assuming it becomes law, the bill will not end the influence of money in politics, but instead will drive such influence further underground.

How true...from Doug Fiedor report on the news Mar 23:

"The bottom line is that if politicians weren't in the business of granting favors and exacting tribute, every single issue surrounding campaign finance reform would be irrelevant. After all, why would anyone spend money for influence, access, favors and tribute if the only thing that politicians do is to live up to their oaths to uphold and defend the Constitution? But, I'm afraid, most Americans want congressmen to do something else -- to violate the Constitution in order to make it possible for them to live at the expense of others." -- Professor Walter E. Williams

Keep up the good work Congressman!

And thanks for the post dittomom.

47 posted on 03/24/2002 8:37:24 AM PST by Syncro
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To: Congressman Billybob
I hope you are as right about the politics as you are about the law! Stay well.
48 posted on 03/24/2002 8:49:33 AM PST by SUSSA
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To: ao98
Thanks.
49 posted on 03/24/2002 10:27:42 AM PST by codercpc
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To: Congressman Billybob
Here is the link to the U.S. Supreme Court.
50 posted on 03/24/2002 11:26:12 AM PST by E.G.C.
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