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Ask the imam: Why can t the Jews and Muslims live together in peace?
Islam Q&A ^

Posted on 03/23/2002 3:18:00 PM PST by knighthawk

I am speaking under correction. Please do correct me if I don't have my facts right:

According to The Bible there is no country such as Israel, only Palestine. The Jew and the Arab, both stemming from Abraham is in fact half brothers. So why can they not live in harmony in a new country called Palestine?

Praise be to Allaah.

Your question may be answered by the following points:

There is no doubt that the Prophet of Allaah Ibraaheem (Abraham) was a pure monotheist, and he was not among the polytheists and disbelievers. Although the Jews are among the offspring of Ibraaheem (peace be upon him), they went against his way by associating partners in worship with Allaah and claiming that ‘Uzayr (Ezra) was a “son of God.” They said that God is miserly and that His hand is “tied up”, and they said, “He is poor and we are rich.” They also said that when God created the heavens and the earth in six days, He got tired, so He rested on the Sabbath day – exalted be Allaah far above all that they say about Him. They also likened the attributes of God to human attributes (anthropomorphism) and killed the Prophets, etc., etc.

Once this distinction and contrast is made clear, there can be no brotherhood between a monotheistic believer and a polytheistic disbeliever, as Allaah says in the Qur’aan (interpretation of the meaning): “Indeed there has been an excellent example for you in Ibraaheem and those with him, when they said to their people, ‘Verily, we are free from you and whatever you worship besides Allaah. We have rejected you, and there has started between us and you, hostility and hatred forever, - until you believe in Allaah Alone,’ – except the saying of Ibraaheem to his father: ‘Verily, I will ask for forgiveness (from Allaah) for you, but I have no power to do anything for you before Allaah.’ Our Lord! In You (Alone) we put our trust, and to You (Alone) we turn in repentance, and to You (Alone) is (our) final Return, - … Certinaly, there has been in them an excellent example for you to follow, - for those who look forward to (the Meeting with) Allaah – (for the reward from Him) and the Last Day. And whosoever turn away, then verily, Allaah is Rich (Free of all wants), Worthy of all Praise.” [al-Mumtahinah 60:4,6]

Once this separation and enmity is clear, it is unavoidable that there will be hostility and disavowal and the resulting struggle against the enemies of Allaah. So long as the laws and wisdom of Allaah dictate that there should the distinction between believers and disbelievers, there has to be this clearly-stated enmity. There can be no change to the laws of Allaah.

There cannot be harmony between Jews – who are usurpers and aggressors, who have oppressed and persecuted others, and who are known for their treachery and corruption throughout the world, historically and in the present age – and the purely monotheistic Muslim owners of the land, whose menfolk the Jews have killed, and imprisoned their sons, and destroyed their homes, and taken possession of their lands by force, and prevented them from earning a proper living, and carried out chemical and radiational experiments on their prisoners, and taken organs from them for transplant into Jewish patients… and all other kinds of persecutions and atrocities.

In addition to this, the Jews are people of treachery and betrayal; it is not possible to trust them at all. Their current conduct bears this out: is there any treaty or agreement signed by them that they have actually fulfilled? This is no big surprise for the Muslims, who know what Allaah has said in His Book about the Jews (interpretation of the meaning): “Is it not (the case) that every time they make a covenant, some party among them throws it aside? Nay! The truth is most of them believe not.” [al-Baqarah 2:100].

Moreover, if the Muslims agreed to live in peace with the Jews, who would be in charge? One of the basic principles of Islam is that Islam should prevail, not be prevailed over. One of the conditions for People of the Book (Jews and Christians) living with Muslims in a Muslim country is that they should live under certain conditions (shuroot ahl al-dhimmah) in return for the security and protection afforded them by the Muslims. One of the most important of these conditions is that they should not openly display their shirk and kufr (polytheistic disbelief) in the Muslim lands, whether by word or deed.

As the Muslims and Jews are enemies residing in opposing religious and doctrinal camps, it is not possible for them to be brought together unless one is made to submit to the other by force. Indeed, the Jews now are not allowing the Muslims to remain in their homes, even if there was no provocative action on the part of the Muslims; they are seizing the Muslims’ property by force, building their settlements on the Muslims’ lands and expelling the Muslims by any means. They have expelled millions to the neighbouring countries, which have accommodated them in the so-called Palestinian refugee camps.

Finally, although the Muslims nowadays are in a position of weakness and humiliation – because they have turned away from their religion – and are unable to fight the Jews, take back their stolen lands and impose the rule of Islamic sharee’ah in Palestine, this does not mean that this will always be the case until the end of the world. Things have to change, and one of the indications of this is the hadeeth of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), who informed us of some things that are to happen in the future. He was supported by Revelation from his Lord; he did not speak of his own whims and desires, but of that which was revealed to him. He said:

“You will fight the Jews and will prevail over them, so that a rock will say, ‘O Muslim! There is Jew behind me, kill him!’” (Reported by Muslim, 2921; al-Bukhaari, 2926).

According to a report narrated by Muslim from Abu Hurayrah, the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “The Hour [the Day of Judgement] will not begin until the Muslims fight the Jews and kill them. A Jew will hide behind a rock or a tree, and the rock or tree will say, ‘O Muslim, O slave of Allaah! There is a Jew behind me, come and kill him!’ – except for the gharqad (box thorn), for it is one of the trees of the Jews.” (Reported by Muslim, 2922).


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One of the basic principles of Islam is that Islam should prevail, not be prevailed over. One of the conditions for People of the Book (Jews and Christians) living with Muslims in a Muslim country is that they should live under certain conditions (shuroot ahl al-dhimmah) in return for the security and protection afforded them by the Muslims. One of the most important of these conditions is that they should not openly display their shirk and kufr (polytheistic disbelief) in the Muslim lands, whether by word or deed.

Is Peace With Israel Possible?: The Islamic Verdict

1 posted on 03/23/2002 3:18:00 PM PST by knighthawk
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To: dennisw; OKCSubmariner; watchin; VOA; harpseal; timestax; xJones; justshutupandtakeit; TopDog2...
If people want on or off this list, please let me know.
2 posted on 03/23/2002 3:18:36 PM PST by knighthawk
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To: veronica; BenF; Catspaw; TheBlueMax; Buzznutt; Gershom; angelo; Magician; cardinal4; widgysoft...
FYI
3 posted on 03/23/2002 3:20:10 PM PST by knighthawk
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To: knighthawk
Don't the Muslims associate all sorts of human attributes and emotions to Allah when they think he wants people to worship him?
4 posted on 03/23/2002 3:21:18 PM PST by weikel
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To: knighthawk
This is the muhammed that invented the idea of telling killers that heaven is a whorehouse of virgins for them. The commies were nothing compared to these sickos.
5 posted on 03/23/2002 3:23:23 PM PST by metacognate
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To: knighthawk
Islam. The "can't we all get along" religion.
6 posted on 03/23/2002 3:23:31 PM PST by Sabramerican
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To: Sabramerican
You reversed two words. It's "we can't all get along."
7 posted on 03/23/2002 3:30:38 PM PST by ctdonath2
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To: knighthawk
is there any treaty or agreement signed by them that they have actually fulfilled?

since when is a treaty a one-way street?

8 posted on 03/23/2002 3:31:31 PM PST by Optimist
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To: knighthawk
Islam=Peace. As in "Rest in Peace".
9 posted on 03/23/2002 3:33:45 PM PST by pgkdan
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To: Sabramerican
This stuff is SO weird. Oh, well...I guess Christianity would seem weird to them.
10 posted on 03/23/2002 3:36:22 PM PST by ArcLight
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To: Sabramerican
This stuff is SO weird. Oh, well...I guess Christianity would seem weird to them.
11 posted on 03/23/2002 3:36:26 PM PST by ArcLight
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To: knighthawk
One of the basic principles of Islam is that Islam should prevail, not be prevailed over

12 posted on 03/23/2002 3:39:01 PM PST by pt17
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To: metacognate
This is the muhammed that invented the idea of telling killers that heaven is a whorehouse of virgins for them.

So Nevada would be considered the "Promise Land"?

13 posted on 03/23/2002 3:39:49 PM PST by Captain Shady
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To: Optimist
Muhammed bragged about declaring peace to the jews in 700AD, until he was strong enough to safely double cross them. Some prophet of honor, huh.
14 posted on 03/23/2002 3:40:38 PM PST by metacognate
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To: knighthawk
There cannot be harmony between Jews – who are usurpers and aggressors, who have oppressed and persecuted others, and who are known for their treachery and corruption throughout the world, historically and in the present age – and the purely monotheistic Muslim owners of the land, whose menfolk the Jews have killed, and imprisoned their sons, and destroyed their homes, and taken possession of their lands by force, and prevented them from earning a proper living, and carried out chemical and radiational experiments on their prisoners, and taken organs from them for transplant into Jewish patients… and all other kinds of persecutions and atrocities.

It reads like Mein Kampf. Jeez,do they really think that way? Can there ever be any doubt that Islam is the enemy the world? They want domination according to this guy.

One of the basic principles of Islam is that Islam should prevail, not be prevailed over.

That statement says it all.

16 posted on 03/23/2002 3:44:52 PM PST by cardinal4
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To: Pissed Off Janitor
POJ--LOL!
17 posted on 03/23/2002 3:49:56 PM PST by ArcLight
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To: Pissed Off Janitor
Down through the centuries, Christians have been been guilty of much that you accuse the Muslim religion.

We had wars, wife beating, you name it. We've been there.

Finally we have learned to get along . . .sort of . . .look what it took . . . but we still have some maturing to do. The first lesson in maturity is not to arrogantly condemn another religion across the board.

18 posted on 03/23/2002 3:50:10 PM PST by Aliska
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To: knighthawk
In reading history, is there any place on Earth (outside of the USofA) where the Jew has prospered and assimilated? Whatever we do here in the USofA the rest of the Earth people don't want to do! The problem the Jew faces in the USofA is their 90% voting pattern for the Democrat War Party. If the Dems go what happens to the American Jew?
20 posted on 03/23/2002 4:00:44 PM PST by Blake#1
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