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Posted on 03/24/2002 10:42:47 AM PST by InvisibleChurch

A Shiite Muslim woman holds a three-year old boy whose forehead was cut during a ceremony in Nabatiyeh on Sunday March 24, 2002. Hundreds of thousands of Shiite Muslims turned out across Lebanon on Sunday to mark Ashoura, the Shiite Muslim religious festival which marks the AD 680 battle in which Imam Hussein, the grandson of Islam's Prophet Mohammed, was killed. (AP Photo)


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1 posted on 03/24/2002 10:42:47 AM PST by InvisibleChurch
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To: InvisibleChurch
she cut him? That's disgusting! More from that freaking "peaceful" religion.
2 posted on 03/24/2002 10:46:36 AM PST by GussiedUp
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To: GussiedUp
No NO I take that back - that isn't "disgusting" - that's extreme child abuse!
3 posted on 03/24/2002 10:47:36 AM PST by GussiedUp
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To: GussiedUp
It's a culture that conditions the children to be brutal.
4 posted on 03/24/2002 10:48:26 AM PST by SarahW
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To: InvisibleChurch
And the next target of conquest, the USA. Watch our Congress run through the streets with blood dripping from their heads remembering the betrayal of Ali.
5 posted on 03/24/2002 11:03:43 AM PST by rebdov
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To: InvisibleChurch
You have done all of FR a service!.
6 posted on 03/24/2002 11:04:18 AM PST by rebdov
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To: InvisibleChurch
She has a grin on her face!
7 posted on 03/24/2002 11:13:41 AM PST by rovenstinez
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To: InvisibleChurch
That poor child! What kind of a mother could do something like that to a child?
8 posted on 03/24/2002 11:16:53 AM PST by McGavin999
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To: InvisibleChurch
Animals. Does anyone still buy the "peaceful religion" crap?
9 posted on 03/24/2002 11:19:40 AM PST by nonliberal
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To: InvisibleChurch
Anybody know why cutting is part of the "ritual"

The boy seems pretty calm for having blood all over him. Maybe he is used to seeing it with the Hamas Home Video's of the brave suicide bombers.

Three night rental $3.99 at your local video store

10 posted on 03/24/2002 11:23:01 AM PST by Popman
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To: InvisibleChurch
No wonder they're nuts.
11 posted on 03/24/2002 11:27:21 AM PST by LibWhacker
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To: GussiedUp
she cut him? That's disgusting! More from that freaking "peaceful" religion.

I don't want to be crass - - but many Muslims are "in to" female mutilation of the clitoris. I know it is gross and terrible - - but there are plenty of accounts of 12 year old girls going under the rusty razor while mom and grandma tee hee with delight.

Sick.

12 posted on 03/24/2002 11:27:35 AM PST by SkyPilot
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To: SkyPilot
IMHO, you were not crass at all. Jean Sassoon's Princess books discuss the sick practice of Female Genital Mutilation (FGM) in some detail and the problems the sisters of the narrator had due to this disgusting custom. I will say no more because the whole thing is revolting. The more I learn, the more I am reminded of Jeremiah and Isaiah! These Muslims look an awful lot like Baal worshippers to me. Peaceful Religion my eye!
13 posted on 03/24/2002 11:38:40 AM PST by CARepubGal
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To: InvisibleChurch
I'm convinced these people are freakin' Klingons.
14 posted on 03/24/2002 11:44:56 AM PST by Fornax
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To: All
Go Here for more evidence of the insane blood-lust these people seem to harbor.
15 posted on 03/24/2002 12:25:18 PM PST by saquin
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To: InvisibleChurch
This picture needs to be shown on Fox Cable, this is what the Multi-Culturalists support.Let the sucker moms defend liberalism and one of it`s central tenets now.
16 posted on 03/24/2002 12:27:50 PM PST by nomad
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To: jodorowsky
another example of the peaceful nature of islam bump.
17 posted on 03/24/2002 12:36:22 PM PST by freeforall
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To: InvisibleChurch
I'll have to hold this in my folder for when I have the liberals or the intellectually lazy tell us that we should respect all religions as equal and that Islamic folks are getting an unfair shake after 9/11. These usually are the same people who are horrified at the thought of circumcizing a week old baby or of a parent spanking thier child as a discipline measure. Should be interesting.
18 posted on 03/24/2002 12:39:34 PM PST by glory
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To: InvisibleChurch
She looks so proud (slowly shaking my head).
19 posted on 03/24/2002 12:46:16 PM PST by CaptRon
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To: InvisibleChurch
I keep thinking that the Klingons from Star Trek were modeled after these people.
20 posted on 03/24/2002 12:53:17 PM PST by sigSEGV
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To: InvisibleChurch; 2sheep; dennisw; veronica; Lent; BenF; Thinkin' Gal; Yehuda
Wow! I had no idea! More photos need to be posted! Then call all the propagandists/apologists.
21 posted on 03/24/2002 12:55:26 PM PST by Prodigal Daughter
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To: Caligirl for Bush
These Muslims look an awful lot like Baal worshippers to me.

You, sir, are correct.

22 posted on 03/24/2002 1:02:35 PM PST by Jonathon Spectre
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To: GussiedUp
I think I would rather have my forehead lightly cut than my foreskin cut off.
23 posted on 03/24/2002 1:18:41 PM PST by NeoCrusade
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To: InvisibleChurch
Sick!!!
24 posted on 03/24/2002 1:33:06 PM PST by Lady Heron
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To: McGavin999
All for allah a very bloodthirsty god.
25 posted on 03/24/2002 1:34:04 PM PST by FITZ
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To: NeoCrusade
I think I would rather have my forehead lightly cut than my foreskin cut off.

Don't worry ---they do that too.

26 posted on 03/24/2002 1:36:14 PM PST by FITZ
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To: Prodigal Daughter
PD I have an idea...send it to Bush/Cheney/Powell....and put Islam is a religion of peace at the bottom of the email.
27 posted on 03/24/2002 1:39:03 PM PST by My Favorite Headache
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To: My Favorite Headache

Shiite muslim men whip themselves with knives attached to chains, in a self-flagellation ritual which left their backs dripping with blood, on a hill in Kabul, Afghanistan Sunday March 24, 2002. The men were marking the Shiite community's holiest day, Ashoura, the anniversary of the death of Imam Hussein, the grandson of the prophet Muhammad. The men cut themselves to atone for Imam Hussein's death. The ritual was being performed openly for the first time since the overthrow of the Taliban, which hadpreviously restricted celebrations of the holy day. (AP Photo/Greg Baker)

28 posted on 03/24/2002 1:43:16 PM PST by My Favorite Headache
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To: Fornax
I'm convinced these people are freakin' Klingons.

SHAME ON YOU!! How dare you insult the Klingons like that!

29 posted on 03/24/2002 1:43:36 PM PST by Lent
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To: My Favorite Headache

A Shiite muslim man whips himself with knives attached to chains, in a self-flagellation ritual in Kabul, Afghanistan Sunday March 24, 2002. The man was one of a group who performed the ritual to mark the Shiite community's holiest day, Ashura, the anniversary of the death of Imam Hussein, the grandson of the prophet Muhammad. The men cut themselves to atone for Imam Hussein's death. The ritual was being performed openly for the first time since the overthrow of the Taliban, which had previously restricted celebrations of the holy day. (AP Photo/Greg Baker)

30 posted on 03/24/2002 1:43:53 PM PST by My Favorite Headache
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31 posted on 03/24/2002 1:45:19 PM PST by My Favorite Headache
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To: InvisibleChurch
Anyone here care if the smirking, knife wielding freak in the above picture ends up as collateral damage?
32 posted on 03/24/2002 1:47:51 PM PST by BikerTrash
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To: My Favorite Headache
What is this ABOUT? Does anybody know? There is NO EXCUSE for it, but what does it MEAN?
33 posted on 03/24/2002 1:52:07 PM PST by Howlin
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To: saquin

34 posted on 03/24/2002 2:07:02 PM PST by Justa
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To: Popman
"Three night rental $3.99 at your local video store."

What's the video called, Shiites Gone Wild?

35 posted on 03/24/2002 2:11:04 PM PST by Justa
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To: InvisibleChurch
Coming soon to a country and neighborhood near you, because of your screen name.
36 posted on 03/24/2002 2:12:38 PM PST by crystalk
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To: NeoCrusade
Muslims do that too, of course, but not on babies, but on adolescents.
37 posted on 03/24/2002 2:14:54 PM PST by crystalk
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To: Invisible Church
There are a few powerful lesbian advocates of diversity in this country, that one will react with a certain set of mixed emotions when the Muslims come in and subject them to clitor-id-ectomy.
38 posted on 03/24/2002 2:17:33 PM PST by crystalk
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To: InvisibleChurch
This is what happens when nutcases claim to possess the true definition of God, while they hypocritically claim it is evil to draw his face on a picture. The result is that they can define good and evil as they wish. They are a reactionary religious cast of society that practices human sacrifices and that needs to be destroyed, utterly.
39 posted on 03/24/2002 2:17:55 PM PST by lavaroise
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To: My Favorite Headache
Where can we get those wonderful baggy pants the Kurds and Afghans wear?
40 posted on 03/24/2002 2:18:45 PM PST by crystalk
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To: Howlin

Shiites mark Ashoura with blood and denunciations

(April 5, 2001)

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A Shiite Muslim woman holds her child with a cut forehead during the annual ritual to mark "Ashoura," in the southern market town of Nabatiyeh, Lebanon, Wednesday. People mark the occasion of Ashoura by taking their children to a barber who ritually slas hes the children's forehead with a razor. The blood is spread by hitting the wound. The knife shown was not used to cut the child; its use is symbolic.

BEIRUT, Lebanon (AP) -- Black-clad Shiite Muslims slashed their heads with blades and beat their chests Wednesday in an annual ritual to mourn a revered saint who died 14 centuries ago. Some vented anger at Israel and the United States.

Hundreds of thousands of Shiites in south Beirut as well as southern and eastern Lebanon marked the occasion known as Ashoura with marches and re-enactments of the 680 A.D. battle in which Imam Hussein was killed.

In Bahrain, where Shiites form a slight majority of the Persian Gulf state's 400,000 citizens, religious songs eulogizing Hussein were broadcast on loudspeakers as thousands of black-clad men marched down the streets, beating their chests and whipping th eir backs with chains.

By far, the biggest procession was in south Beirut, the Shiite-inhabited suburbs of the Lebanese capital where Hezbollah has its strongholds. An estimated 300,000 barefoot, black-clad followers-- women, men and children -- marched behind Hezbollah's yellow flags and beat their chest in rhythm. Inflicting self-wounds, however, was forbidden by Hezbollah.

It was also an occasion for Hezbollah to push its own policies.

"Our enemies forever: America and Israel," read a banner in the procession, as participants shouted through loudspeakers "Death to Israel."

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41 posted on 03/24/2002 2:19:11 PM PST by Sandy
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To: Sandy
Thank you very much for the information. I honestly TRY to be "worldly" and keep an open mind, but apparently I'm not succeeding at it.

By any chance, doyou know if this associated with the self-flagellation that I believe I remember from the Iranian hostage crisis?

42 posted on 03/24/2002 2:22:57 PM PST by Howlin
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Blood Flows in Commemoration of Imam Hussayn

By Kim Ghattas

NABATIYYEH, Lebanon, Apr 4 (IPS) - Dressed in black, with white cloths around their shoulders, thousands of the faithful jogged around the main square of the southern Lebanese town of Nabatiyyeh Wednesday, slapping their chests rhythmically and chanting 'Haidar, Haidar'.

Most of them had slashed their foreheads with blades and were beating the wound to make the blood splash about.

The rather gruesome spectacle takes place every year as Muslim Shiites commemorate Ashoura, which in Arabic stands for the tenth day of the month of Moharram, according to the Islamic calendar.

On that day in 680 AD, Hussayn, the grandson of the prophet Mohammed, was killed in Kerbala in what is today Iraq, after he rebelled against the established Sunni Muslim authority. This is where Shiites acquired their tradition for martyrdom and resistance. It was also then that the schism in Islam occurred between Sunnis and Shiites.

"Ashoura represents this everlasting revolution of the oppressed and the doomed against the oppressors, against the injustices of the world," says Ibrahim Moussawi, a Shiite academic.

Today Shiites repent for not having been able to save Hussayn more than 1,000 years ago and their commemoration is sometimes compared to the crucifixions that take place on Good Friday in some Christian communities, such as in the Philippines.

The tradition of cutting one's forehead and letting the blood flow is said to be a re-enactment of what Hussayn's sister, Zeinab, did on hearing the news of her brother's death. She is said to have beat her head against a door and called out in despair for her father, Haidar.

But today, not everybody agrees that the bloodletting during Ashoura is a good idea.

"I believe this has nothing to do with religious teachings, it's just a tradition that has been followed around the world," said Moussawi.

"Many clerics have issued fatwas saying this is 'haram', that it's not allowed by religion. If you want to show how dedicated you are to Imam Hussayn and you want to sacrifice your blood, then donate it to blood banks," he added.

Both Iran's supreme leader, Ali Khamenei, and Sayyed Hassan Nasrallah, secretary-general of the Islamic organisation Hizbollah, have declared they are against the bloodletting. For the past three years, Hizbollah has been trying to encourage participants to adopt blood donation as part of the commemoration and the organisation sets up tents for blood donations near the main square.

In 1999, only 200 donors turned up, but as the awareness about the possible health hazards involved in the unrestricted bloodletting increases, so does the number of donors. This year there were more than 600.

"We worry about the spread of infectious diseases, like hepatitis and AIDS, as participants are very close to each other and often use the same blade to cut their heads," said Dr Ahmed Kahil, from the Nabattiyeh al Janoub hospital, which is run by Hizbollah.

He says there are around 35 cases a year of infections, mainly hepatitis and inflammations.

"Also, we believe that it gives a very backward image of Islam and we have to move away from that," he added.

But traditions die hard here. Different Shiite communities follow different religious teachers and not all of them have banned self- flagellation. Young men often grow up in households where it has been practised for decades and they continue the tradition starting from a young age. As they grow up they sometimes succumb to peer pressure or do it just for show.

Next to the two tents for blood donations at Wednesday's Ashoura commemorations, there were at least another 15 tents manned by paramedics where dozens of fainting young men were brought in for care.

The more pleasant aspect of the commemoration is the two-hour long play that re-enacts the battle of Kerbala. Hundreds of people gather around the football stadium where the play is held and those who cannot get close enough often stand on balconies of nearby buildings. Actors on horses and camels first parade through the town in a procession, before taking their places in the stadium to re-enact the battle.

Hani Hammoud, a young bank employee who lives in Beirut, comes to Nabatiyyeh every year to watch the play, but does not take part in the bloody commemoration.

"I don't feel I need to do this to remember Imam Hussayn. I can do it by following his teachings and values and refusing oppression," he says.

As he speaks, the fervour of the participants in the self- flagellation ceremony intensifies, and so does their chanting. The play is nearing the climax when Hussayn gets killed and as it comes to an end the lamenting reaches fever pitch.

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43 posted on 03/24/2002 2:27:05 PM PST by Sandy
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To: Howlin
I don't know. This is the first I've heard of this stuff. I just pulled the info from Google. Freakin nuts.
44 posted on 03/24/2002 2:29:28 PM PST by Sandy
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To: InvisibleChurch
,,, a battle fought in 680AD occasions the acceptance of child abuse? What's wrong with a national holiday, a BBQ and a few beers? Let's hope the knives used in this bizarre practice carry hepatitis or something that wipes them all out.
45 posted on 03/24/2002 2:30:03 PM PST by shaggy eel
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To: Sandy
Well, your article got my curiosity up. I'm reading on Google now; YIKES! I suspect the reason the pictures of his face are blank is because he was beheaded?????

Ashura

46 posted on 03/24/2002 2:35:05 PM PST by Howlin
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To: Howlin
I'm thinking I need the Cliff Notes for Islam, so I can differentiate all these different "groups/sects" and their beliefs.
47 posted on 03/24/2002 2:38:14 PM PST by Howlin
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To: NeoCrusade
ahh, it only took 23 replies before someone mentioned the forskin!

when Jews or Christians do it, it's not "genital mutilation"...

48 posted on 03/24/2002 2:39:38 PM PST by Benson_Carter
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To: Prodigal Daughter;xm177e2;cachelot;brooklyngop;firebrand
no muslims + (no leftist apologists) = no terror bump
49 posted on 03/24/2002 2:54:01 PM PST by Yehuda
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To: Caligirl for Bush
Yeah, I am pretty sure they are exactly what they appear to be. They sure do walk and talk like a duck. I can't believe they think they are worshipping the God of Abraham.
50 posted on 03/24/2002 2:55:10 PM PST by MissAmericanPie
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