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Why Should Christians Keep the Passover?
Good News Magazine ^ | March 1998 | Allen Stout

Posted on 03/25/2002 6:35:28 AM PST by DouglasKC

Why Should Christians Keep the Passover?

Do you really know why Jesus had to suffer and die? What should the Passover mean for Christians today?

by Allen Stout

Only 3 1/2 years after He began His ministry, Jesus of Nazareth was apprehended by the religious authorities at the time of the Passover feast (Matthew 26:2; Mark 14:1). After a brief trial-while mocking Him, spitting on Him and beating Him-they took Him before the Roman authorities and accused Him of "perverting the nation, . . . saying that He Himself is Christ, a King" (Luke 23:2; Matthew 26:59-68).

Pontius Pilate, the Roman governor in Jerusalem, after analyzing the charges, declared to the chief priests and the others present: "You have brought this Man to me, as one who misleads the people. And indeed, having examined Him in your presence, I have found no fault in this Man . . .; no, neither did Herod . . . I will therefore chastise Him and release Him" (Luke 23:14-16).

But the people would have none of it. They cried out, "Away with this Man, and release to us Barabbas [a murderer]" (verse 18).

Pilate found himself in a difficult position. Wanting to release a man he knew to be innocent, he urged Jesus' captors to reconsider. He was answered with angry shouts of "Crucify Him, crucify Him!" (verse 21).

Pilate tried to reason with the crowd. "Why, what evil has He done?" he asked. But the mob was insistent, demanding that Jesus be put to death. The priests and the crowd prevailed. The Roman governor freed a murderer and sentenced an innocent man to death (verses 19-25).

Jesus was mercilessly beaten and scourged by the Roman soldiers and subjected to a horrible death.

But why? Why did Jesus Christ have to die?

Meaning of the Passover

Many Christians have been taught that the Passover is an outdated "Jewish" observance done away with at Jesus' death and replaced by Easter, the commemoration of His resurrection.

But why did Jesus Christ keep the Passover? Is there a connection between the Passover and Christ's death? What does the Bible teach us about this most important observance kept by Jesus and the apostles?

In ancient Israel the first Passover was a time of deliverance, the rescuing of the Israelites from slavery in Egypt. The blood of the Passover lamb was smeared on the doorposts of the residences of those Israelites who put their trust in God, and He promised to deliver them from harm (Exodus 12:13, 23). The Israelites were spared while the firstborn of the Egyptians were slain.

God ordained the Passover as a commanded feast: "So this day shall be to you a memorial; and you shall keep it as a feast to the LORD throughout your generations. You shall keep it as a feast by an everlasting ordinance" (verse 14).

Much later, during the time of Christ, the observance of the New Testament Passover was revealed as the first step toward salvation. It reminds Christians not only of how God delivered ancient Israel out of Egypt, but, more important, of our deliverance out of sin today. "We know that our old self was crucified with him so that the body of sin might be destroyed, and we might no longer be enslaved to sin" (Romans 6:6, New Revised Standard Version, emphasis added throughout).

The Passover is the first of the annual festivals commanded by God (Leviticus 23:5). Jesus knew this and kept the Passover with His disciples (Luke 22), showing that this is not a command to be taken lightly.

During His final Passover with His disciples, Jesus Christ introduced new symbols, which commemorate Him as "our Passover, [who] was sacrificed for us" (1 Corinthians 5:7). Jesus said, after He had broken the unleavened bread and given it to His disciples, "This is My body which is given for you; do this in remembrance of Me" (Luke 22:19).

The Passover is an annual reminder that, through Christ's sacrifice, we have been set free from slavery to sin so we can serve God in righteousness (Romans 6:1-22).

Sacrifice for sin

But why was Jesus sacrificed for us?

All human beings are in slavery to corruption and death caused by sin (Romans 6:16; 8:21; Hebrews 2:14-15), "for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God" (Romans 3:23). And the Bible says, "the soul who sins shall die" (Ezekiel 18:4, 20).

What frees us from this bondage to sin? The sacrifice of Jesus Christ, the Lamb of God! God the Father willingly gave up His firstborn Son, and Jesus willingly poured out His life's blood.

Why? Why couldn't God just forgive our sins without a sacri- fice? Why did Jesus Christ have to suffer and die for our sins (Philippians 2:8)?

The truth is that there is no other way to save humanity from the consequences of sin!

God will not compromise with His perfect law (Matthew 5:17-20; 19:17; Psalm 19:7). All of God's commands are summed up in the law of love: "You shall love the LORD your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind," and "you shall love your neighbor as yourself" (Matthew 22:36-40).

As the apostle Paul wrote, "Love is the fulfillment of the law" (Romans 13:10). God's law would, if observed, produce and maintain a peaceful, abundant and joyful society (Deuteronomy 4:5-8; 6:1-2; 28:1-14; Galatians 3:21). Tragically, no human (other than Jesus Christ) has kept God's law perfectly. All have broken it by sinning (1 John 3:4).

The Bible likens sin to leaven: If sin is not removed, it grows and spreads (1 Corinthians 5:6). The whole world suffers the curse of sin. Wars, famine, disease, oppression, crime, poverty, family problems, emotional disturbances and every type of evil result from sin, the breaking of God's law (Leviticus 26:14-39; Deuteronomy 28:15-68).

The ultimate result of sin is death. "For the wages of sin is death" (Romans 6:23), just as God in His love warned the first man, Adam (Genesis 2:17).

Why Christ's sacrifice was necessary

God's way of redeeming humanity-all of us-from the death penalty without compromising His perfect law is for the penalty to be paid in our place by the Son of God.

Why? Because "truly, no ransom avails for one's life, there is no price one can give to God for it. For the ransom of life is costly, and can never suffice that one should live on forever and never see the grave" (Psalm 49:7-9, NRSV). And that applies to us all, "for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God" (Romans 3:10, 12, 23).

Our partaking of-participating in-Christ's sacrifice makes possible our reconciliation to God, setting us on the road to eternal life. ". . . God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us . . . When we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, . . . through whom we have now received the reconciliation" (Romans 5:8, 10-11).

Our sins separated us from God, because through sin we lived hostile to God and His ways (Isaiah 59:1-2; Romans 3:10-12; 8:7). As sinners we had the death penalty hanging over us. We fell under that penalty for breaking God's law (Romans 3:9, 19-20).

But, because Jesus Christ's sacrifice paid the death penalty for our sins, God "passed over the sins that were previously committed, to demonstrate . . . His righteousness, that He might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus" (verses 24-26).

Except for Jesus Christ, no man or woman has ever lived without sinning. But notice these encouraging words in the Bible: "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life" (John 3:16).

We read that the wages of sin is death, "but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord" (Romans 6:23, King James Version).

What must we do?

Does Jesus Christ's death, then, save us? Let's see what the Word of God-the Bible-says.

If Jesus paid the penalty for our sin by His crucifixion, what must we do to receive God's gift of eternal life? Notice Acts 2:38: "Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission [forgiveness] of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit."

Though "while we were still sinners, Christ died for us" (Romans 5:8), His sacrifice does not redeem us from the death penalty until we have repented of breaking God's law, turned from sin and accepted Jesus Christ as our Lord and Master. Then what happens?

Notice Romans 8:1: "There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the [lusts of the] flesh, but according to the Spirit."

We no longer seek to go our own way, but are led by the Spirit of God (verses 2-16; 1 Corinthians 2:10-16), building our relationship with God and Christ through prayer and study of God's Word (Ephesians 6:18; 2 Timothy 2:15).

When we embark on this new way of life, following Christ's example as shown in the Bible, we are then saved by His life in us (Romans 5:10; Galatians 2:20). Gradually God begins to write His law of love (Romans 13:8-10) in our hearts and minds (Hebrews 10:16). We become transformed by taking on the thoughts of God (Romans 12:2; Philippians 2:5).

With the help of God's Spirit we can obey God's law, submit to Him and overcome sin. Sin is no longer in control over us. We become servants of God rather than the servants of sin (Romans 6:12-16). Keeping the Passover brings these great truths into sharp focus.

Will we follow Jesus' example?

Jesus Christ observed the Passover. The Bible makes this clear in many passages (Matthew 26:2, 17-19; Luke 2:41-42; 22:1, 7-20; John 2:13, 23; 13:1-30; 1 Corinthians 11:23-29). His words and actions at His last Passover provide us profound lessons about our relationships with Him and our fellow human beings.

"Then came the Day of Unleavened Bread, when the Passover must be killed" (Luke 22:7). According to God's instructions, a new day begins with the evening (Genesis 1:5), not at midnight.

Jesus Christ and His disciples assembled that evening in a large upper room. "And supper being ended . . . [Jesus] rose from supper and laid aside His garments, and took a towel . . . and began to wash the disciples' feet, and to wipe them with the towel . . ." (John 13:2, 4-5).

Assuming the role of a servant, Jesus washed His disciples' feet and said to them: "If I then, your Lord and Teacher, have washed your feet, you also ought to wash one another's feet. For I have given you an example, that you should do as I have done to you . . . If you know these things, blessed are you if you do them" (John 13:14-15, 17).

Jesus carried out this humble act of service to show His disciples that His true followers must be led by a giving, serving attitude. He tells us all by implication to follow His example (see "A Lesson for All Time," p. E4).

On that same evening Jesus "took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying, 'This is [or 'means,' James Moffatt Translation; i.e., 'represents'] My body which is given for you; do this in remembrance of Me'" (Luke 22:19).

He also "took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, 'Drink from it, all of you. For this is [represents] My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins'" (Matthew 26:27-28).

A lasting memorial

The Bible makes it clear that all who will follow Christ should observe this New Testament Passover in remembrance of His love and sacrifice for our sins and as a reminder of our commitment to Him for what God has done in our lives (1 Corinthians 5:7-8; Luke 22:19; 14:21-24).

We are to avoid observing the Passover in an "unworthy" manner, as Paul wrote to the Corinthians: "For as often as you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the Lord's death till He comes. Therefore whoever eats this bread or drinks this cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord" (1 Corinthians 11:26-27).

Many readers of this scripture have not comprehended the significance of Paul's warning. Some, incorrectly feeling they were not worthy of Christ's sacrifice, have elected not to take the Passover. Others have taken the Passover in attitudes ranging from casual to ritualistic to superstitious. Nothing is magical about the unleavened bread and the wine Jesus used; they were simply symbols to remind us of His sacrifice for our sin.

Self-examination necessary

We are to take the Passover in a worthy manner, but what exactly does that mean?

Paul warned, "But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of the bread and drink of the cup" (1 Corinthians 11:28).

In a later letter, Paul wrote: "Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?" (2 Corinthians 13:5, KJV).

We are to examine our own hearts before we take the Passover symbols of bread and wine. We are to ask ourselves some searching questions about our intentions toward God and our fellow human beings. Do we show humility and service to others? Do we honor God in our everyday lives?

Just what should your attitude be toward the world, toward God and His laws and toward others? "Do not love the world or the things of the world," the apostle John wrote. "If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him. For all that is in the world-the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life-is not of the Father but is of the world. And the world is passing away, and the lust of it; but he who does the will of God abides forever" (1 John 2:15-17).

As long as we live in "this present evil world" (Galatians 1:4, KJV), which is under Satan's influence (Ephesians 2:1-3), we will be tempted to break God's law. We are tempted through our own desires (James 1:14) to cheat, lie, boast, swear, gossip, hate, commit adultery and put other things before God (Matthew 5:27-28; Galatians 5:19-21).

Each of us, even though called, repentant and forgiven, will fall down and sin. But, as long as we are genuinely repentant, striving to overcome sin, "we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous" (1 John 2:1).

And, "if we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness" (1 John 1:9). God forgives and accepts us, applying Jesus' sacrifice, as long as we allow God to lead us (Ephesians 2:8).

No one is worthy of Christ's sacrifice on his own merit. But that is not what Paul is discussing. Not taking the Passover is choosing to disregard Christ's instructions and example. Taking the Passover in an unworthy manner is choosing to take it with little or no respect for Christ's sacrifice, showing indifference to the importance of His death as payment for our sins.

"For he who eats and drinks in an unworthy manner eats and drinks judgment to himself, not discerning the Lord's body. For this reason many are weak and sick among you, and many sleep. For if we would judge ourselves, we would not be judged. But when we are judged, we are chastened by the Lord, that we may not be condemned with the world" (1 Corinthians 11:29-32).

If we take the Passover while reverently respecting and appreciating the sacrifice of Jesus Christ, we not only won't be condemned, but we will be on our way to salvation.

Observing the Passover in its New Testament context, and obeying God's Word in respect to His Holy Days, gives understanding of God's great plan for humanity. We are to strive to obey God in all things (Matthew 4:4), a truth that is summed up in the two great commandments-love toward God and love toward our neighbor (Matthew 22:36-40).



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The anniversary of the Passover supper (the last supper) that Christ ate with his disiples is tomorrow night, March 26 in the evening which begins the 14th of Nissan.
1 posted on 03/25/2002 6:35:28 AM PST by DouglasKC
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To: muggs
Thought you might appreciate this even if we do disagree on the drug issue... :-)
2 posted on 03/25/2002 6:46:15 AM PST by DouglasKC
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To: chili girl
Hope you have a blessed Passover!
3 posted on 03/25/2002 6:50:38 AM PST by DouglasKC
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To: jhavard
Jim, I'm pinging you to here, but here's the answer to your sunset question in TNS thread...

Jerusalem sunset

I think, oddly enough, that's it's going to be right around 6 PM...:-)

5 posted on 03/25/2002 6:55:40 AM PST by DouglasKC
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To: lexcorp
But why? Why did Jesus Christ have to die?

Because "And then Pilate released Jesus, and He went out, got married, had some kids and died, mnay years later, a happy old man," does not have the same impact.

And thank God it didn't LOL!

6 posted on 03/25/2002 6:56:44 AM PST by DouglasKC
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To: climo mike
Just in case you're interested...
7 posted on 03/25/2002 7:00:52 AM PST by DouglasKC
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To: All
Any Church of God people here?
8 posted on 03/25/2002 7:03:47 AM PST by DouglasKC
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To: DouglasKC
I have participated in Passover recreations 3 times in the past several years. I have not had the privilege of participating in an actual Passover observance, however.

Absolutely profound to realize that Jesus, while celebrating the Passover, became our Passover.

Thank you, Lord.

9 posted on 03/25/2002 7:04:19 AM PST by mombonn
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To: mombonn
I have participated in Passover recreations 3 times in the past several years. I have not had the privilege of participating in an actual Passover observance, however.

Tomorrow night will be my first...the signifigance is sobering....

Absolutely profound to realize that Jesus, while celebrating the Passover, became our Passover. Thank you, Lord.

Yes it is, almost like it was planned that way :-). Thank God through Jesus Christ that his blood saved our lives...

10 posted on 03/25/2002 7:07:29 AM PST by DouglasKC
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To: ksen;vmatt;johnnym
Thought you guys might like this...
11 posted on 03/25/2002 7:17:56 AM PST by DouglasKC
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To: Simcha7; Thinkin' Gal; 2sheep
Matthew 22


The Parable of the Wedding Feast


The Marriage of the King's Son
1 And Jesus answered and spoke to them again by parables and said: 2"The kingdom of heaven is like a certain king who arranged a marriage for his son, 3and sent out his servants to call those who were invited to the wedding; and they were not willing to come. 4Again, he sent out other servants, saying, "Tell those who are invited, "See, I have prepared my dinner; my oxen and fatted cattle are killed, and all things are ready. Come to the wedding."' 5But they made light of it and went their ways, one to his own farm, another to his business. 6And the rest seized his servants, treated them spitefully, and killed them. 7But when the king heard about it, he was furious. And he sent out his armies, destroyed those murderers, and burned up their city. 8Then he said to his servants, "The wedding is ready, but those who were invited were not worthy. 9Therefore go into the highways, and as many as you find, invite to the wedding.' 10So those servants went out into the highways and gathered together all whom they found, both bad and good. And the wedding hall was filled with guests.
11"But when the king came in to see the guests, he saw a man there who did not have on a wedding garment. 12So he said to him, "Friend, how did you come in here without a wedding garment?' And he was speechless. 13Then the king said to the servants, "Bind him hand and foot, take him away, cast him into outer darkness; there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.'
14"For many are called, but few are chosen."


2 Chronicles 36


The Fall of Jerusalem
15 And the LORD God of their fathers sent warnings to them by His messengers, rising up early and sending them, because He had compassion on His people and on His dwelling place. 16But they mocked the messengers of God, despised His words, and scoffed at His prophets, until the wrath of the LORD arose against His people, till there was no remedy.
17Therefore He brought against them the king of the Chaldeans, who killed their young men with the sword in the house of their sanctuary, and had no compassion on young man or virgin, on the aged or the weak; He gave them all into his hand. 18And all the articles from the house of God, great and small, the treasures of the house of the LORD, and the treasures of the king and of his leaders, all these he took to Babylon. 19Then they burned the house of God, broke down the wall of Jerusalem, burned all its palaces with fire, and destroyed all its precious possessions. 20And those who escaped from the sword he carried away to Babylon, where they became servants to him and his sons until the rule of the kingdom of Persia, 21to fulfill the word of the LORD by the mouth of Jeremiah, until the land had enjoyed her Sabbaths. As long as she lay desolate she kept Sabbath, to fulfill seventy years.


The Proclamation of Cyrus
22 Now in the first year of Cyrus king of Persia, that the word of the LORD by the mouth of Jeremiah might be fulfilled, the LORD stirred up the spirit of Cyrus king of Persia, so that he made a proclamation throughout all his kingdom, and also put it in writing, saying,


23Thus says Cyrus king of Persia:
All the kingdoms of the earth the LORD God of heaven has given me. And He has commanded me to build Him a house at Jerusalem which is in Judah. Who is among you of all His people? May the LORD his God be with him, and let him go up!


The roots of the Parables!
12 posted on 03/25/2002 7:22:00 AM PST by Jeremiah Jr
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To: DouglasKC
Good post. The symbolism in the original passover, how the observance developed within Jewish observances and the sacrifice of the Lamb of G-d is stunning. More can be found at a great messianic jewish website.

Pesach Shalom, my brother.

13 posted on 03/25/2002 7:22:06 AM PST by L,TOWM
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To: Jeremiah Jr; 2sheep
John 2:19-21

19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?
21 But he spake of the temple of his body.

1 Corinthians 3:16-17 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.

Ohhhh my...


14 posted on 03/25/2002 7:32:19 AM PST by Thinkin' Gal
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To: DouglasKC
Church of Christ
15 posted on 03/25/2002 7:32:53 AM PST by HoundsTooth_BP
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To: DouglasKC
you know where I stand on this :)

I believe that Christ was the fulfillment of the feasts in the Old Testament. He is our Passover Lamb and the Passover feast in the OT was a foreshadow of the truth found in Christ. As Christians, if we observe the feasts we do not have a true understanding of what Christ did on the Cross. He did, however, give us a new feast to observe until His return and that is the Lord's Supper. Don't confuse this with the Passover from the OT, because they are not the same.

JM
16 posted on 03/25/2002 7:33:25 AM PST by JohnnyM
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To: JohnnyM;DouglasKC;All
Thanks for the ping, DouglasKC.

He did, however, give us a new feast to observe until His return and that is the Lord's Supper. Don't confuse this with the Passover from the OT, because they are not the same.

Just to get my opinion out of the way since most of you won't agree anyway, Jesus told His disciples and they continued teaching the early church to partake of bread and wine but there was a deadline for this observance which I believe has long since passed. This is an excellent example of how "a little leaven leavens the whole lump". Your view on one doctrine can effect many others even to the point of being lost.

1 Corinthians 11:26 For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come.

17 posted on 03/25/2002 7:47:56 AM PST by vmatt
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To: vmatt
I agree we are to observe it until He returns, but I don't believe He has returned yet.

JM
18 posted on 03/25/2002 7:55:05 AM PST by JohnnyM
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To: DouglasKC;Spookbrat
Bump for later reading. Looks quite good.
19 posted on 03/25/2002 8:10:04 AM PST by Johnny Gage
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To: mombonn
bump
20 posted on 03/25/2002 8:13:51 AM PST by homeschool mama
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To: DouglasKC
Thanks Doug.

Bump for later reading.

-ksen

21 posted on 03/25/2002 8:26:06 AM PST by ksen
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To: DouglasKC
bump
22 posted on 03/25/2002 8:47:57 AM PST by GirlNextDoor
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To: L,TOWM
Good post. The symbolism in the original passover, how the observance developed within Jewish observances and the sacrifice of the Lamb of G-d is stunning. More can be found at a great messianic jewish website.
Pesach Shalom, my brother.

Thank you...the beliefs I hold are very close to the beliefs of messianic jews and I've gained much knowledge and understanding from reading their beliefs.

23 posted on 03/25/2002 9:10:22 AM PST by DouglasKC
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To: JohnnyM
I believe that Christ was the fulfillment of the feasts in the Old Testament. He is our Passover Lamb and the Passover feast in the OT was a foreshadow of the truth found in Christ. As Christians, if we observe the feasts we do not have a true understanding of what Christ did on the Cross. He did, however, give us a new feast to observe until His return and that is the Lord's Supper. Don't confuse this with the Passover from the OT, because they are not the same.

LOL...I thought you would say that...

But what I don't understand is that this IS the original "Lord's Supper". Here's where it began. Jesus instituted it at the Passover meal and introduced new symbols to commemerate his passover, the bread and the wine. He even instructed us to do these things in remembrance...

24 posted on 03/25/2002 9:14:54 AM PST by DouglasKC
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To: vmatt
Just to get my opinion out of the way since most of you won't agree anyway, Jesus told His disciples and they continued teaching the early church to partake of bread and wine but there was a deadline for this observance which I believe has long since passed. This is an excellent example of how "a little leaven leavens the whole lump". Your view on one doctrine can effect many others even to the point of being lost.
1 Corinthians 11:26 For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come.

I think it's interesting that the first verse in that chapter is Paul instructing his followers to:

1Co 11:1 Be imitators of me, even as I also am of Christ.

What is the deadline you're talking about?

25 posted on 03/25/2002 9:19:12 AM PST by DouglasKC
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To: JohnnyM
Hey by the way why have you been so scarce in the neverending story thread?
26 posted on 03/25/2002 9:25:41 AM PST by DouglasKC
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To: DouglasKC
Relevant additional reading in Dr. Scott Hahn's the Fourth Cup: "The first area I'd like to focus on is how it is that Christ in the Last Supper and in the Eucharist offers himself up as the new covenant Passover, and how the Eucharist and the Old Testament Passover are in a sense two sides of the same coin.
27 posted on 03/25/2002 9:25:55 AM PST by Claud
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To: DouglasKC
No topic has really sparked my interest of late, plus I was getting too caught up in the arguing, and it was creating some heated moments, so I wanted to step away from that for a while.

JM
28 posted on 03/25/2002 9:36:13 AM PST by JohnnyM
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To: Claud
Relevant additional reading in Dr. Scott Hahn's the Fourth Cup: "The first area I'd like to focus on is how it is that Christ in the Last Supper and in the Eucharist offers himself up as the new covenant Passover, and how the Eucharist and the Old Testament Passover are in a sense two sides of the same coin.

Thank you for that Claud...that was very interesting reading. While I don't agree with the concept of transubtation (is that the word?), I agree with much of what he said and it taught me some background I hadn't known before...

29 posted on 03/25/2002 9:42:16 AM PST by DouglasKC
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To: JohnnyM
No topic has really sparked my interest of late, plus I was getting too caught up in the arguing, and it was creating some heated moments, so I wanted to step away from that for a while.

Yeah, that's always a difficulty over there...lol it's kind of that way on all of FreeRepublic now that I think of it. I'm kind of getting to the point where I just think "I know what I believe and it's not going to change and I know God will bring people to him in his own good time so I'm not even going to get into big arguments about it."

30 posted on 03/25/2002 9:56:34 AM PST by DouglasKC
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To: DouglasKC
Thank you for that Claud

My great pleasure! You've got an interesting thread going here...my fiancee is a Jewish convert so it is particularly close to my heart.

31 posted on 03/25/2002 10:01:47 AM PST by Claud
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To: DouglasKC; Johnny Gage; homeschool mama
This looks like a fascinating read. I'll have to come back in a bit.
32 posted on 03/25/2002 10:11:55 AM PST by SpookBrat
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To: HoundsTooth_BP
Same here. :)
33 posted on 03/25/2002 10:12:27 AM PST by SpookBrat
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To: Claud
Thank you for that Claud My great pleasure! You've got an interesting thread going here...my fiancee is a Jewish convert so it is particularly close to my heart.

Converted from Judaism or converted to Judaism?

34 posted on 03/25/2002 10:20:23 AM PST by DouglasKC
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To: DouglasKC
Thanks Doug,good article. There is much truth in the Good News Magazine and I always read it when the magazine arrives. I didn't realize it was on-line also.

Yeah, we don't agree on everything but that's okay by me. This place would be boreing if we all agreed on everything.

35 posted on 03/25/2002 10:42:11 AM PST by muggs
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To: muggs
Thanks Doug,good article. There is much truth in the Good News Magazine and I always read it when the magazine arrives. I didn't realize it was on-line also.

It's great, they've got all the back issues up there too. Did you read the latest with the "Is the Bible True?" theme? I read that one cover to cover....

36 posted on 03/25/2002 10:46:39 AM PST by DouglasKC
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To: DouglasKC
It's right next to me but I haven't read it yet, for two reasons, 1. I have to share with my husband, and 2. I am having a serious problem lately reading small print (with the computer I set the font to extra large). I went to the doctor after loseing vision temporarily in one eye last week and she gave me some eye drops and a prescription for new glasses. Hopefully when I get the new glasses next week things will be better. If not, she is going to order blood work. It's not fun getting old. :)
37 posted on 03/25/2002 11:02:34 AM PST by muggs
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To: LoneGreenEyeshade;Isaiah_66_2;Havoc;XeniaSt
Thought you all might enjoy this...
38 posted on 03/25/2002 11:03:34 AM PST by DouglasKC
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To: muggs
It's right next to me but I haven't read it yet, for two reasons, 1. I have to share with my husband, and 2. I am having a serious problem lately reading small print (with the computer I set the font to extra large). I went to the doctor after loseing vision temporarily in one eye last week and she gave me some eye drops and a prescription for new glasses. Hopefully when I get the new glasses next week things will be better. If not, she is going to order blood work. It's not fun getting old. :)

I'll be sure to say a prayer for you on the eye thing... but I'm afraid I can't help on the husband thing...or maybe I can...

Click here for this months issue...

39 posted on 03/25/2002 11:17:08 AM PST by DouglasKC
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To: all
Late afternoon bump...
40 posted on 03/25/2002 11:32:59 AM PST by DouglasKC
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To: Thinkin' Gal
1 Corinthians 3:16-17 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.
Ohhhh my...

lol...I think I get it...is that a ham? Are you jewish or a Christian who keeps God's food laws?

41 posted on 03/25/2002 11:46:25 AM PST by DouglasKC
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To: DouglasKC
From a link on another thread.

How the Passover / Seder Reveals Jesus Christ

The festival of the Passover has been celebrated by Jews for thousands of years. It is the retelling of the great story of how God redeemed the Jewish nation from enslavement in Egypt.1 The celebration itself was given to the Jews while they were still in Egypt.2 The original celebration centered around the Passover lamb, which was sacrificed and its blood put over the doorposts as a sign of faith, so that the Lord passed over the houses of the Jews during the last plague poured out on the Egyptians - the killing of every firstborn.3 To a large degree, the Passover lamb has been eliminated from the Passover festival (with the only remnant being the roasted lamb shank bone).4 The New Testament says that Jesus is our sacrificial Lamb.5 The Passover lamb was to be a "male without defect,"6 which is the same description given to Jesus.7 In addition, when the lamb was roasted and eaten, none of its bones were to be broken.8 This fact was also prophesized for the Messiah, whose bones were not to be broken.9 It was customary during crucifixion to break the leg bones of the person after a few hours in order to hasten their death. The only way a person could breathe when hanging on a cross was to push up with his legs, which was very exhausting. By breaking the legs, death followed soon by asphyxiation. However, in the case of Jesus, they broke the legs of the other two men, but did not break His, since He was already dead.10

Much of the symbolism of Jesus' last Passover week is lost to us because we are unaware of the customs of the time. For example, Jesus came into the city of Jerusalem five days before the lamb was killed in the temple as the Passover sacrifice for the sins of the people of Israel. Five days before the lamb was to be sacrificed, it was chosen. Therefore, Jesus entered Jerusalem on lamb selection day as the lamb of God.11 The people did not understand the significance of this, since they greeted Him with palm branches12 and hailed Him as King,13 shouting "Hosanna,"14 which means "save us." However, they were not looking for a spiritual Savior, but a political savior. Palm branches were a symbol of freedom and defiance, since Simon Maccabeus had entered Jerusalem with that symbolism.15 Jesus' reaction was to weep,16 since He realized that they did not understand the Messiah's purpose in coming.

Good Friday was the day of the Passover celebration and the day that the Passover lamb was to be sacrificed. For the previous 1,200 years, the priest would blow the shophar (ram's horn) at 3:00 p.m. - the moment the lamb was sacrificed, and all the people would pause to contemplate the the sacrifice for sins on behalf of the people of Israel. On Good Friday at 3:00,17 when Jesus was being crucified, He said, "It is finished"18 - at the moment that the Passover lamb was sacrificed and the shophar was blown from the Temple. The sacrifice of the lamb of God was fulfilled at the hour that the symbolic animal sacrifice usually took place. At the same time, the veil of the Temple (a three-inch thick, several story high cloth that demarked the Holy of Holies19) tore from top to bottom20 - representing a removal of the separation between God and man. Fifty days later, on the anniversary of the giving of the law (Pentecost), God left the earthly temple to inhabit those who call on the name of Jesus through His Holy Spirit.21

The festival of unleavened bread began Friday evening (at sunset). As part of the festival, the Jews would take some of the grain - the "first fruits" of their harvest - to the Temple to offer as a sacrifice. In so doing, they were offering God all they had and trusting Him to proved the rest of the harvest. It was at this point that Jesus was buried - planted in the ground - as He said right before His death.22 Paul refers to Jesus as the first fruits of those raised from the dead in 1 Corinthians.23 As such, Jesus represents the fulfillment of God's promise to provide the rest of the harvest - resurrection of those who follow the Messiah.

Christian symbolism in the Passover occurs early in the Seder (the Passover dinner). Three matzahs are put together (representing the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit). The middle matzah is broken,24 wrapped in a white cloth, and hidden, representing the death and burial of Jesus.25 The matzah itself is designed to represent Jesus, since it is striped and pierced, which was prophesized by Isaiah, 26 David,27 and Zechariah.28 Following the Seder meal, the "buried" matzah is "resurrected," which was foretold in the prophecies of David.29

It was during a Passover seder30 that Jesus proclaimed that the meal represented Himself and that He was instituting the New Covenant, which was foretold by Jeremiah, Ezekiel, and Isaiah.31 The celebration of this covenant has become the ordinance of communion in the Christian Church. At the end of the meal, Jesus took the unleavened bread, broke it, and said that it represented His body.32 Then He took the cup of wine, which would have been the third cup of the Seder - the cup of redemption. He said that it was the new covenant in His blood "poured out for you."33 It is through the sacrificial death and resurrection of Jesus Christ that we are declared clean before God, allowing those of us who choose to accept the pardon, to commune with Him - both now and forevermore through the eternal life He offers.

References

The entire story can be read in the book of Exodus
See Exodus chapter 12.
Then Moses summoned all the elders of Israel and said to them, "Go at once and select the animals for your families and slaughter the Passover lamb. Take a bunch of hyssop, dip it into the blood in the basin and put some of the blood on the top and on both sides of the doorframe. Not one of you shall go out the door of his house until morning. When the LORD goes through the land to strike down the Egyptians, He will see the blood on the top and sides of the doorframe and will pass over that doorway, and he will not permit the destroyer to enter your houses and strike you down. (Exodus 12:21-23)

The Passover lamb was still sacrificed in the first century, as indicated in the New testament - Then came the day of Unleavened Bread on which the Passover lamb had to be sacrificed. (Luke 22:7)

Get rid of the old yeast that you may be a new batch without yeast--as you really are. For Christ, our Passover lamb, has been sacrificed. (1 Corinthians 5:7) The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him and said, "Look, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world! (John 1:29)

When he saw Jesus passing by, he said, "Look, the Lamb of God!" (John 1:36)

For you know that it was not with perishable things such as silver or gold that you were redeemed from the empty way of life handed down to you from your forefathers, but with the precious blood of Christ, a lamb without blemish or defect. (1 Peter 1:18-19)

I answered, "Sir, you know." And he said, "These are they who have come out of the great tribulation; they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. (Revelation 7:14)

"And they overcame him because of the blood of the Lamb and because of the word of their testimony, and they did not love their life even to death. (Revelation 12:11)

The animals you choose must be year-old males without defect, and you may take them from the sheep or the goats. (Exodus 12:5)

For you know that it was not with perishable things such as silver or gold that you were redeemed from the empty way of life handed down to you from your forefathers, but with the precious blood of Christ, a lamb without blemish or defect. (1 Peter 1:18-19)

"It must be eaten inside one house; take none of the meat outside the house. Do not break any of the bones. (Exodus 12:46)

He keeps all his bones; not one of them is broken. (Psalms 34:20)

The soldiers therefore came, and broke the legs of the first man, and of the other man who was crucified with Him; but coming to Jesus, when they saw that He was already dead, they did not break His legs;... For these things came to pass, that the Scripture might be fulfilled, "Not a bone of Him shall be broken." (John 19:32, 33, 36)

The next day he saw Jesus coming to him, and said, "Behold, the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world! (John 1:29)

On the next day the great multitude who had come to the feast, when they heard that Jesus was coming to Jerusalem, took the branches of the palm trees, and went out to meet Him, and began to cry out, "Hosanna! BLESSED IS HE WHO COMES IN THE NAME OF THE LORD, even the King of Israel." (John 12:12-13)

And most of the multitude spread their garments in the road, and others were cutting branches from the trees, and spreading them in the road. (Matthew 21:8)

saying, "BLESSED IS THE KING WHO COMES IN THE NAME OF THE LORD; Peace in heaven and glory in the highest!" (Luke 19:38)

And the multitudes going before Him, and those who followed after were crying out, saying, "Hosanna to the Son of David; BLESSED IS HE WHO COMES IN THE NAME OF THE LORD; Hosanna in the highest!" (Matthew 21:9)

And the multitudes going before Him, and those who followed after were crying out, saying, "Hosanna to the Son of David; BLESSED IS HE WHO COMES IN THE NAME OF THE LORD; Hosanna in the highest!" (Matthew 21:9) And those who went before, and those who followed after, were crying out, "Hosanna! BLESSED IS HE WHO COMES IN THE NAME OF THE LORD; Blessed is the coming kingdom of our father David; Hosanna in the highest!" (Mark 11:9-10)

Simon Maccabeus entered the Akra at Jerusalem after its capture, ìwith thanksgiving, and branches of palm trees, and with harps, and cymbals, and with viols, and hymns, and songs: because there was destroyed a great enemy out of Israelî (1 Maccabees 13:51) (see also 2 Maccabees 10:7).

And when He approached, He saw the city and wept over it, (Luke 19:41)

And about the ninth hour [3:00 p.m.] Jesus cried out with a loud voice, saying, "ELI, ELI, LAMA SABACHTHANI?" that is, "MY GOD, MY GOD, WHY HAST THOU FORSAKEN ME?"... And Jesus cried out again with a loud voice, and yielded up His spirit. (Matthew 27:46, 50) (see also Mark 15:34-37, Luke 23:44-46)

When Jesus therefore had received the sour wine, He said, "It is finished!" And He bowed His head, and gave up His spirit. (John 19:30)

And behind the second veil, there was a tabernacle which is called the Holy of Holies, (Hebrews 9:3)

And behold, the veil of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom, and the earth shook; and the rocks were split, (Matthew 27:51)

And the veil of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom. (Mark 15:38)

the sun being obscured; and the veil of the temple was torn in two. (Luke 23:45)

Acts chapter 2.

And Jesus answered them, saying, "The hour has come for the Son of Man to be glorified. Truly, truly, I say to you, unless a grain of wheat falls into the earth and dies, it remains by itself alone; but if it dies, it bears much fruit. (John 12:23-24)

But now Christ has been raised from the dead, the first fruits of those who are asleep. (1 Corinthians 15:20)

And when He had given thanks, He brake it, and said, "Take, eat: this is My body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of Me." (1 Corinthians 11:24)

And so they took the body of Jesus, and bound it in linen wrappings with the spices, as is the burial custom of the Jews. (John 19:40)

But he was pierced through for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and by his stripes we are healed. (Isaiah 53:5)

For dogs have surrounded me; A band of evildoers has encompassed me; They pierced my hands and my feet. (Psalms 22:16)

"And I will pour out on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the Spirit of grace and of supplication, so that they will look on Me whom they have pierced; and they will mourn for Him, as one mourns for an only son, and they will weep bitterly over Him, like the bitter weeping over a first-born. (Zechariah 12:10)

For Thou wilt not abandon my soul to Sheol; Neither wilt Thou allow Thy Holy One to undergo decay. (Psalms 16:10)

O LORD, Thou hast brought up my soul from Sheol; Thou hast kept me alive, that I should not go down to the pit. (Psalms 30:3)

But God will redeem my soul from the power of Sheol; for He will receive me. Selah. (Psalms 49:15)

I shall not die, but live, And tell of the works of the LORD. (Psalms 118:17)

And He said to them, "I have earnestly desired to eat this Passover with you before I suffer; (Luke 22:15)

"Behold, days are coming," declares the LORD, "when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah, not like the covenant which I made with their fathers in the day I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, although I was a husband to them," declares the LORD. "But this is the covenant which I will make with the house of Israel after those days," declares the LORD, "I will put My law within them, and on their heart I will write it; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. (Jeremiah 31:31-33)

"And I shall give them one heart, and shall put a new spirit within them. And I shall take the heart of stone out of their flesh and give them a heart of flesh, that they may walk in My statutes and keep My ordinances, and do them. Then they will be My people, and I shall be their God. (Ezekiel 11:19-20)

"I am the LORD, I have called you in righteousness, I will also hold you by the hand and watch over you, And I will appoint you as a covenant to the people, As a light to the nations, (Isaiah 42:6)

While they were eating, Jesus took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to his disciples, saying, "Take and eat; this is my body." Then he took the cup, gave thanks and offered it to them, saying, "Drink from it, all of you. This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins." (Matthew 26:26-28)

In the same way, after the supper He took the cup, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in My blood, which is poured out for you. (Luke 22:20)

And my comment: Reread the Gospel of Matthew as he tries to instruct the Jews about the sanctity of Jesus Christ. Lots of Old Testament references.

42 posted on 03/25/2002 11:51:31 AM PST by Salvation
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In the same way, after the supper He took the cup, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in My blood, which is poured out for you. (Luke 22:20)

Thanks, although I disagree somewhat with the sequence of days in that post, I think that the part quoted above is the most compelling reason why we should celebrate the Passover meal that Christ and the disciples held.

43 posted on 03/25/2002 12:00:10 PM PST by DouglasKC
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To: Thinkin' Gal
Acts 10:9 The next day, as they went on their journey and drew near the city, Peter went up on the housetop to pray, about the sixth hour. Then he became very hungry and wanted to eat; but while they made ready, he fell into a trance 11and saw heaven opened and an object like a great sheet bound at the four corners, descending to him and let down to the earth. In it were all kinds of four-footed animals of the earth, wild beasts, creeping things, and birds of the air. And a voice came to him, "Rise, Peter; kill and eat." But Peter said, "Not so, Lord! For I have never eaten anything common or unclean." And a voice spoke to him again the second time, "What God has cleansed you must not call common." This was done three times. And the object was taken up into heaven again.

Mmmm ... Easter ham ... tasty ...

44 posted on 03/25/2002 12:02:24 PM PST by Campion
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To: Campion
Rise, Peter; kill and eat." But Peter said, "Not so, Lord! For I have never eaten anything common or unclean." And a voice spoke to him again the second time, "What God has cleansed you must not call common." This was done three times. And the object was taken up into heaven again.

Ah ha...but notice that it was done three times and then three men came to Peter's door? And what did Peter tell us the dream meant?:

Act 10:28 And he said to them, You know that it is an unlawful thing for a man, a Jew to keep company with or to come near to one of another nation. But God has shown me not to call any man common or unclean.

45 posted on 03/25/2002 12:13:06 PM PST by DouglasKC
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To: Campion
Acts 10:14 But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common [2839] or unclean [169].
Acts 10:15 And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed [2511], that call not thou common [2839].

2839 koinos {koy-nos'}
probably from 4862; TDNT - 3:789,447; adj
AV - common 7, unclean 3, defiled 1, unholy 1; 12

1) common
2) common i.e. ordinary, belonging to generality
2a) by the Jews, unhallowed, profane, Levitically unclean

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169 akathartos {ak-ath'-ar-tos}
from 1 (as a negative particle) and a presumed derivative of 2508
(meaning cleansed); TDNT - 3:427,381; adj
AV - unclean 28, foul 2; 30

1) not cleansed, unclean
1a) in a ceremonial sense: that which must be abstained from
according to the levitical law
1b) in a moral sense: unclean in thought and life

Well if it hasn't been cleansed, then it's still dirty.

Isaiah 4:3 And it shall come to pass, that he that is left in Zion, and he that remaineth in Jerusalem, shall be called holy, even every one that is written among the living in Jerusalem:
Isaiah 4:4 When the Lord shall have washed away the filth of the daughters of Zion, and shall have purged the blood of Jerusalem from the midst thereof by the spirit of judgment, and by the spirit of burning.

46 posted on 03/25/2002 12:17:14 PM PST by Thinkin' Gal
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To: DouglasKC
Easterham.jpg... A swine in the 'temple', as it were. ;-)

God's food laws are a good thing, but I admit I don't get the meat+dairy prohibition. I know the verse; I just don't get that particular interpretation. Ah well. I do like cheeseburgers. And surely the meat in the grocery is not being slaughtered appropriately, so it is traif as well.

Hosea 6:6 For I desired mercy, and not sacrifice; and the knowledge of God more than burnt offerings.

47 posted on 03/25/2002 12:38:14 PM PST by Thinkin' Gal
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To: Thinkin' Gal
God's food laws are a good thing, but I admit I don't get the meat+dairy prohibition.

If you're referring to:

Exo 23:19 The first of the firstfruits of your land you shall bring into the house of Jehovah your God. You shall not boil a kid in its mother's milk.

I read an interesting analysis of this that asserts that this was only in regards to sacrifices (which it seems to be reading the whole chapter) and that the Jews have basically taken it (wrongly) to mean that you can't eat meat and dairy together just in case the dairy you're eating happens to be from the mother of the meat you're eating.

48 posted on 03/25/2002 12:47:22 PM PST by DouglasKC
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To: DouglasKC
Converted from Judaism or converted to Judaism?

From Judaism. I wouldn't be marrying her otherwise. :)

49 posted on 03/25/2002 2:37:20 PM PST by Claud
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To: all
night crew bump
50 posted on 03/25/2002 4:40:57 PM PST by DouglasKC
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