**Graphic Content Warning** Photos of Suicide Blast in Israel

Yahoo - Reuters Photos ^ | 3-27-02

[Oldeconomybuyer]

A victim of the Netanya hotel bomb blast, with his face covered in blood, sits in an ambulance arriving at the Kfar Saba hospital Wednesday, March 27, 2002. A suicide bomber blew himself up Wednesday in the hotel dining room in this Israeli resort as guests gathered for a Passover Seder, the ritual evening meal ushering in the Jewish holiday. Police said 15 people were killed and more than 100 wounded in one of the deadliest attacks in 18 months of fighting. (AP Photo/Gadi Kabalo) ***ISRAEL OUT***

A policeman stands near a line of bodies outside a hotel in the Israeli seaside resort of Netanya March 27, 2002 after it was attacked. The Islamic militant group Hamas claimed responsibility on Wednesday for the suicide bombing of an Israeli hotel that killed at least 15 people. REUTERS/Havakuk Levison

Police carry a body after a bomb exploded in Netanya, Israel March 27, 2002. A suicide bomber blew himself up in the dining room of an Israeli coastal hotel on Wednesday evening, killing 15 people and wounding more than 100, police and medical rescue workers said. REUTERS/Laszlo Balogh

Rescue workers look over the damaged hotel in the Israeli seaside resort of Netanya March 27, 2002. The Islamic militant group Hamas claimed responsibility on Wednesday for the suicide bombing of an Israeli hotel that killed at least 15 people. REUTERS/Havakuk Levison

Palestinian militant group claims responsibility for suicide bombing (AP)
The Islamic militant who blew himself up Wednesday in the dining hall of an Israeli hotel in Netanya once worked in hotels in the Mediterranean resort town, Palestinian security sources said.
- Mar 27 3:46 PM ET

U.S. Condemns Suicide Bombing in Israel (Reuters)
The United States condemned the bombing which killed 15 people in the Israeli town of Netanya on Wednesday and said it showed the need for Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat to crack down on militants.
- Mar 27 3:26 PM ET

Explosion at Israeli hotel during Passover; 15 killed (AP)
A suicide bomber blew himself up Wednesday evening in a hotel dining room in the Israeli coastal resort of Netanya as guests gathered there for a Passover Seder, the ritual meal ushering in the Jewish holiday. Police said 15 people were killed and more than 100 wounded.
- Mar 27 1:37 PM ET

[EBUCK]

So you're saying that the only reason we have suicide bombings over there is because they are getting paid to sacrifice themselves? I could see that as workable since they are so indoctrinated/brainwashed into their "cause" but I don't buy that it started out that way. Could be what's fueling it now but the original problems started when the Jews moved into houses on Monday that belonged to Arabs the previous Sunday.

EBUCK

[Catspaw]

I'll say it again, I don't actually think either side is right or wrong. I just want everyone to look at it from the PA POV for a while before discounting them as animals, since they didn't start out that way at least.

After reading your moral equivalence drivel, you'd fit right in with the lefties.

They're not animals. They're barbarians. Did you know that the victims in the latest Jerusalem bombing were a married couple returning from the OBGYN? See, she'd just had her sonogram. That's when the suicide bomber blew she and her husband to bits. Oh, they left two daughters, four and eight. Do you think Saddam will send the orphaned girls $25,000 for the death of each parent?

[Bobby777]

this man probably went Netanya to praise his God by feasting or fasting and praying ...

another man went to praise his "god" by strapping explosives onto himself and walking into a hotel of ordinary citizens, taking advantage of their distraction as they looked forward to the Holy Week of Passover

"allah" is not the God of Israel ... the suicide bomber worships a god of fortresses ... plain and simple ...

[EBUCK]

What fact have I made up? Was is that Arabs were living in now-named-Israel before the Jews were relocated there? C'mon, what facts have I even stated except the previous?

EBUCK

[Catspaw]

I was wrong about you being a lefty. You're either a Palestinian shill or a neo-Nazi. Doesn't make any difference--I've heard tha they're becoming good friends because they have a mutual cause: hating Jews. I see that you're in the club.

[Eva]

I said on another thread that the Israelis should arrest the next Palestinian mother who claims that she sent her son to his death as a suicide bomber, and put her on trial for murder. Put her in an open court room with TV cameras, show graphic photos of her dead son and his victims and then hold a public execution of the woman for the murder of her own son and his victims.

These women are no better than Andrea Yates, or Susan Smith.

[headsonpikes]

Sorry, I just do not believe in collective rights-- Jewish, Arab, or otherwise.

The poor Palestinians are being cruelly used by other Arabs for their own purposes.

Pseudo-nationalistic fervor is a poor substitute for a rational policy.

[Diogenesis]

Israel existed before the thugs, murderers, and terrorists
which you, Arafat, and Annan endorse and promote.

No doubt the three of you will be silent as innocent Jews die,
but will speak up when there begins (too limited) retaliation.

[EBUCK]

Animals, barbarians! I'll call them that all day (and every time I hear/see/read about a suicide bomber doing the nasty I do) but it won't help me figure out what their problem is with Israel. One here thinks that it's for money and that's the only reason I've even read on this thread other than simple rascism. If someone could just let me in on a reasonable explanation as to why they are doing it, besides the obvious loss of property in the 40's, I'll shut up about it. Otherwise it's all really bigotry fueling arguments against my points.

EBUCK

[freeasinbeer]

You bring up a good point. You see, the Indians fought back against the colonists. And they lost. I am not saying that I agree with how it happened, but that is reality, the colonists won, they lost.

So how does this relate to the Israeli situation (as you appear to be trying to stear it away from that in bringing this up...)

Well, since the Jews, many of which were already living in the geographical region sometimes refered to as Palestine, were able to form an actual government, build infrastructure, and create a fledgling democracy in a sea of sheiks and dictators, more power to them. If the land is so-called Palestinian land, why did they not form a government, or build any infrastructure to support a population on this sacred land of theirs? Why is there no historical record in any forum of a Nation of Palestine? Why did even their neighbours cast them out and why to this day do they slum in refugee camps in Syria, Lebanon, Egypt and Jordan? Why do their brothers not take these blessed people in? You see, like the Indians, they were not organized, skilled, disciplined or wise. They were too busy killing each other off to notice that the land they had tried run the Jews off of for over a thousand years in the name of Allah was being taken back from their wretched hands.

Funny how their neighbours didn't give two flying squirrels about 'Palestine' until it suits their needs. Oh, and I assume then that you will be signing over the deed of your house to the local casino, correct?

[EBUCK]

I'm neither. I just want to have a discussion as to the why's and whatnots. Not just a bunch of that's disgusting, kill 'em all, or as headsonpikes coined, turn 'em into fertalizer.

EBUCK

[Utopia]

It is the year 5762 in the Jewish calendar. Moslem calendar (year length only 255 days) it only year 1423. I'd say Jews have precedence.

Everything else is just jealousy and noise.

[Alouette]

LOL. Weed. No real response to my argument.

It's not worth any normal person's time to argue with a pothead.

[freeasinbeer]

Yes, that is a fabrication.

The FACTs are that the geographical region called Palestine was occupied by both Jews and Arabs pre-1948. I really find it hard to believe that you didn't know this.

And your name games are tiring. Should Ireland be called Hibernia? No? Well then what exactly is the difference? Get this straight if nothing else, there has never, ever in the history of mankind been a nation of Palestine. Ever. That fact that they are naming their movement after the geographical region gives them no more righ tto the arrea as the Jews that also lived there pre-1948. If it does, I will be on my way to Hibernia to kick of those Irish, as there was no Ireland pre-1921. Your name-game tactics make about as much sense.

[besieged]

Animals, barbarians! I'll call them that all day (and every time I hear/see/read about a suicide bomber doing the nasty I do) but it won't help me figure out what their problem is with Israel. One here thinks that it's for money and that's the only reason I've even read on this thread other than simple rascism. If someone could just let me in on a reasonable explanation as to why they are doing it, besides the obvious loss of property in the 40's, I'll shut up about it. Otherwise it's all really bigotry fueling arguments against my points.

Well, Ebuck... I will answer your question with another question.... What was the Nazi's problem with the Jews? Did the Jews steal their property as well just before WWII? And tell me, how did these Jews manage that, after living in the country for centuries???

Tell me, what was the Russian's problem with the Jews? Why were they devastated and driven off their land after being beaten, murdered and raped in the Pogroms??? Did they too manage to steal the land by being forced there?

Perhaps you better take a good look in the mirror. Perhaps you will notice that little swastika. Good luck.

[Eva]

You obviously have no understanding of how Israel was re-incarnated. There never was an autonomous Palestine. Palestine was under Turkish rule prior to the Balfour decision of 1917. Great Britain hoped to allow Jews to return to their homeland and live alongside of the Arabs, who were being freed from the Turks. Palestine became a British territory under the League of Nations mandate. In 1947, the Jewish and Arab territories were split and Israel was made self-governing.

I think that I have it right, but I am sure that someone will correct me if I am wrong. Anyway, there never was a self-governing Palestine and the Arabs were not happy with the fact that the Jews got any territory. Maybe they would have been happier under the Turks.

[Mike K]

"... but it won't help me figure out what their problem is with Israel."

A bit of historical knowledge and perspective will help you figure it out. All of the Arab world hates the very idea of Israeli existence.

Historical Israel has existed for 5,000 years or more. The history of the people and the land did not begin in 1948.

The Palestinians are interlopers and they have no homeland because other Arab countries will not accept them. Is it any wonder why?

[Right_Makes_Might]

Goodnight!, easily the most disturbing picture of them all was that close up of Yasser Arafat. With a mug like that, no wonder war has resulted. TAF

[EBUCK]

You bring up a good point. You see, the Indians fought back against the colonists. And they lost. I am not saying that I agree with how it happened, but that is reality, the colonists won, they lost.

True. So does that give them the same rights to the land that the Israelis claim in the Mid-East?

So how does this relate to the Israeli situation (as you appear to be trying to stear it away from that in bringing this up...)

Huh, how? I don't have a plan here, I don't think.

Well, since the Jews, many of which were already living in the geographical region sometimes refered to as Palestine, were able to form an actual government, build infrastructure, and create a fledgling democracy in a sea of sheiks and dictators, more power to them. If the land is so-called Palestinian land, why did they not form a government, or build any infrastructure to support a population on this sacred land of theirs? Why is there no historical record in any forum of a Nation of Palestine? Why did even their neighbours cast them out and why to this day do they slum in refugee camps in Syria, Lebanon, Egypt and Jordan? Why do their brothers not take these blessed people in? You see, like the Indians, they were not organized, skilled, disciplined or wise. They were too busy killing each other off to notice that the land they had tried run the Jews off of for over a thousand years in the name of Allah was being taken back from their wretched hands.

I didn't say they weren't stupid, un-educated, undisciplined, un-organized, or otherwise unprepared. I'm just saying they were robbed. And they're pissed about it. Just because you left your car unlocked and your stereo gets stolen doesn't mean you have no right to try and get it back does it?

Funny how their neighbours didn't give two flying squirrels about 'Palestine' until it suits their needs. Oh, and I assume then that you will be signing over the deed of your house to the local casino, correct?

That is telling as to some of the motives behind the situation.

As for the deed, hell no. And if the indians rose up tomorrow to try to take it from me I'd fight them for it. My point is this. Whether we like it or not, the PA has a beef here same as the Indians, and same as the Irish.

EBUCK