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**Graphic Content Warning** Photos of Suicide Blast in Israel
Yahoo - Reuters Photos ^ | 3-27-02

Posted on 03/27/2002 12:29:07 PM PST by Oldeconomybuyer

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A victim of the Netanya hotel bomb blast, with his face covered in blood, sits in an ambulance arriving at the Kfar Saba hospital Wednesday, March 27, 2002. A suicide bomber blew himself up Wednesday in the hotel dining room in this Israeli resort as guests gathered for a Passover Seder, the ritual evening meal ushering in the Jewish holiday. Police said 15 people were killed and more than 100 wounded in one of the deadliest attacks in 18 months of fighting. (AP Photo/Gadi Kabalo) ***ISRAEL OUT***
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A policeman stands near a line of bodies outside a hotel in the Israeli seaside resort of Netanya March 27, 2002 after it was attacked. The Islamic militant group Hamas claimed responsibility on Wednesday for the suicide bombing of an Israeli hotel that killed at least 15 people. REUTERS/Havakuk Levison
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Police carry a body after a bomb exploded in Netanya, Israel March 27, 2002. A suicide bomber blew himself up in the dining room of an Israeli coastal hotel on Wednesday evening, killing 15 people and wounding more than 100, police and medical rescue workers said. REUTERS/Laszlo Balogh
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Rescue workers look over the damaged hotel in the Israeli seaside resort of Netanya March 27, 2002. The Islamic militant group Hamas claimed responsibility on Wednesday for the suicide bombing of an Israeli hotel that killed at least 15 people. REUTERS/Havakuk Levison

Palestinian militant group claims responsibility for suicide bombing (AP)
The Islamic militant who blew himself up Wednesday in the dining hall of an Israeli hotel in Netanya once worked in hotels in the Mediterranean resort town, Palestinian security sources said.
- Mar 27 3:46 PM ET

U.S. Condemns Suicide Bombing in Israel (Reuters)
The United States condemned the bombing which killed 15 people in the Israeli town of Netanya on Wednesday and said it showed the need for Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat to crack down on militants.
- Mar 27 3:26 PM ET

Explosion at Israeli hotel during Passover; 15 killed (AP)
A suicide bomber blew himself up Wednesday evening in a hotel dining room in the Israeli coastal resort of Netanya as guests gathered there for a Passover Seder, the ritual meal ushering in the Jewish holiday. Police said 15 people were killed and more than 100 wounded.
- Mar 27 1:37 PM ET


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Israel; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: israel; netanya; photos; suicidebomb
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To: EBUCK
Short history quiz - Where did the Jews live before they were taken to Egypt? Where did the Jews go during the Exodus? Hmmm!

Ok, so there homeland may not have had the name Israel at the time, but where was it and how large of a area was their homeland? I venture to guess it was much larger than present day Israel. So, who is going to give up the land that really belongs to the Jews/

61 posted on 03/27/2002 1:52:07 PM PST by Techster
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To: freeasinbeer
So the Jews created a state. And in the process cleaned out the Arabs that were living within their borders right? Is that not true?

EBUCK

63 posted on 03/27/2002 1:52:29 PM PST by EBUCK
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To: besieged
I'm far from Neo-Nazi trash. Not even close. You folks always try the same thing. I say there is something to the PA problem that has to do with the loss of property (whether in palestine or israel doesn't matter) and all of the sudden I hate jews. Won't stick to me no matter how hard you try.

EBUCK

64 posted on 03/27/2002 1:55:46 PM PST by EBUCK
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To: Eva
Even if there was never a palistinian state is the confiscation of property in order to set up the Israeli homeland right? If if so, why?

EBUCK

65 posted on 03/27/2002 1:57:54 PM PST by EBUCK
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To: Techster
The same people that are going to give up the land that belonged to the indians I assume. More specifically, no-one is going to give up the land they occupy. But when the robbery only happened 40+yers ago the people are still pissed about it. Personally I think we should have created an Israeli state in Germany. At least that would have punnished the right people at the time.

EBUCK

67 posted on 03/27/2002 2:01:13 PM PST by EBUCK
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To: lexcorp
I don't disagree. It's their land by right of force. And the palistinians are trying to take it back, right? So what's the diff. here? Just because the Israelis took and held it last, they shouldn't be subject to the same attempt to re-occupy it.

EBUCK

68 posted on 03/27/2002 2:03:33 PM PST by EBUCK
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To: EBUCK
Never mind that the land belonged to the palestinians "before" the US/UN put the Jews there after WWII huh?

W R O N G !

They trace their lineage to this area for millenia.

69 posted on 03/27/2002 2:04:02 PM PST by rdb3
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To: EBUCK
There was a general transfer of population between the two mandated states, Israel and Trans-Jordan. All of the Jews in the Arab region were quickly transferred into Israel, while all of the Arabs were supposed to be transferred into what was then Trans-Jordan. The first Israeli prime-minister offered the Arabs amnesty, and many of them stayed in what was now Israel. Many however left. Since then the Palestinians have been run out of their mandated homeland of Trans-Jordan, and have now decided to try to take back Israel. This splitting up of territory and general transfers of population was very 'in' at the time, for example, India and Pakistan.

Now, if you take a look at any current statistics, you will see that the total Jewish population living in the rest of the Arab world numbers in the low thousands. Why? Because due to persecution and the transfer, they HAD to move back to Israel. It was not only the poor Palestinians who were affected. Many Jews gave up their past ties to regions that had been strong Jewish comunities for centuries. The same goes for the Palestinians. They either had to move or stay, and the large number of them moved. It is not a great way to solve the problem, but make no mistake, the transfer of lands was completely two-way.

Also, when the mandated land of the Palestine region was split, over 90% of 'Palestine' became Trans-Jordan. Israel accounts for only 10% of what people now like to call Palestine. It is a wonder how nobody accuses the Jordanians of being occupiers, seeing as they in fact occupy 90% of Palestine, and effectively removed the Palestines in the 70's by force due to their violent nature.

Does this clear it up a little?
70 posted on 03/27/2002 2:04:48 PM PST by freeasinbeer
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To: EBUCK, TopQuark, dennisw
I'm far from Neo-Nazi trash. Not even close. You folks always try the same thing. I say there is something to the PA problem that has to do with the loss of property (whether in palestine or israel doesn't matter) and all of the sudden I hate jews. Won't stick to me no matter how hard you try.

No problem by me. But your gross ignorance of the creation of the State of Israel is not a reason to float this garbage around, masquerading it as a "reasonable and fair" view of the situations. In my next post, I will be happy to plug a few historical links. The history is too long to be posted here.

71 posted on 03/27/2002 2:05:17 PM PST by besieged
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To: EBUCK
There was no confiscation of territory. The Palestinians never had any territory of their own. In the beginning the Jews were just invited to return and live along side the Arabs. The Arabs, who never controlled anything, didn't like this, so they decided that if the Arabs couldn't share, they would divide the land. You can't take something away from someone who never had it, to begin with.

The Arabs were given what was thought to be separate, but equal. That was not good enough, they wanted it all.

72 posted on 03/27/2002 2:06:18 PM PST by Eva
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To: Eva
You're trying to convince me that people didn't have homes and schools and hospitals and such before the re-location? BS. Even we, in early America, had squaters rights set up to protect folks from being displaced. We still do in some States.

EBUCK

73 posted on 03/27/2002 2:09:02 PM PST by EBUCK
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To: EBUCK
What constitutes a "nation?"
74 posted on 03/27/2002 2:11:15 PM PST by rdb3
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To: freeasinbeer
Now, if you take a look at any current statistics, you will see that the total Jewish population living in the rest of the Arab world numbers in the low thousands. Why? Because due to persecution and the transfer, they HAD to move back to Israel. It was not only the poor Palestinians who were affected. Many Jews gave up their past ties to regions that had been strong Jewish comunities for centuries. The same goes for the Palestinians. They either had to move or stay, and the large number of them moved. It is not a great way to solve the problem, but make no mistake, the transfer of lands was completely two-way.

If it was as two-sided as you say there would be no problem would there? No one asked them if they would mind if some of their land was turned into an Israeli state (which I'm sure didn't sit well in the first place) it was mandated. I'm sure this had a lot to do with no real gubment to whom the request would have surely been made. Then the scattered Jews were invited to return to their "ansestral lands" right? So, the current occupants were left with a choice stay and live with a people they have been brainwashed to hate, be forced out (as many were) when they decided to stay, or pick up and move. Not a great choice either way you look at it. I'd be pissed too.

But thanks for clearing up a lot of the things I didn't know. /non-sarcasm

EBUCK

75 posted on 03/27/2002 2:17:24 PM PST by EBUCK
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To: Owl_Eagle
The Turks, while Muslim ARE NOT ARABS and get along with the west. It is the arabs (who probably still don't use toilet paper) that don't get along with the west.
76 posted on 03/27/2002 2:18:04 PM PST by stumpy
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To: rdb3
I'm less concerned with the "nation" than I am with basic property rights. I've definately been convinced by many here that had the pali's had some form of government there would be less of a problem today. And because they didn't they lost their land.

EBUCK

77 posted on 03/27/2002 2:19:33 PM PST by EBUCK
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To: EBUCK
Yes, they had homes and such, but the relocation was necessary because the Arabs did not want to be under Jewish rule. They wanted to be in control. Like I said, maybe they would have been happier under the Turks.
78 posted on 03/27/2002 2:20:49 PM PST by Eva
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To: EBUCK
No one said that they had to re-locate, they could have stayed under the Jewish rule, but they didn't want to do that. I am sure that some Jews left the Palestinian controlled territory also.
79 posted on 03/27/2002 2:22:42 PM PST by Eva
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To: EBUCK
Here is an example of some of the process in land purchasing and land issue in that area:

Other instances of purchased land by the Jews in the Mandate. Arab money lenders foreclosing on fellaheen. Jews purchased the land and paid the debts of the fellaheen (Arieh L. Avneri, The Claim of Dispossession (1984), p. 207):

The fellaheen of Taiyibe, Tira, Tamra and Na'ura had mortaged their lands to money lenders, mostly the family of Abd el-Hadi. Gradually the mortagagees acquired title to large portions of the land. The situation became critical. The fellaheen were unable to repay their loans and there was an immediate danger that they would lose all their land. In order to get free of the oppressive moneylenders they sought to sell part of their holding, a tract of 50,000 dunam.

They turned to Hankin and offered to sell the land to the Jewish National Fund, if it would undertake to pay their debts. The Jewish National Fund bought these lands during the years 1936-39. The fellaheen escaped the embrace of the moneylenders...

Many of the landowners in the Mandate who sold land to the Jews were not even "Palestinians". Ex: (Avneri, p. 201) Most of the land in the Hills of Naftali was the property of absentee owners, residents of Syria and Lebanon. In March 1940 Nahmani made a survey of the holdings of landowners who were not Palestinian citizens. He found they owned a total of 83,467 dunam in the Districts of Safed and Tiberias, 26,000 dunam in the Safed District and 7,000 dunam in the Tiberias District were owned by Circassians, Druse, Iranians and Germans. None of these landowners were citizens of Palestine. .....Ahmed Mardini, a Kurd from Damascus, owned 2,200 dunam; Hassan Farah, a Christian from Marj Iyun, owned 2,000 dunam; and 520 dunam were owned by Abdullah Khuri and the heirs of Shahadrin Khuri, all of whom were from Lebanon...The village of Malkiya, comprising 765 dunam, was owned by the heirs of Hussein Sulayman Buza, Moslem Kurds living in Damascus, and was sold to the Jewish National Fund....[etc.]

Avneri gives one example of the benefit the Jews brought to the land in purchasing these tracts of land (p. 207-08) The P.I.C.A. [Jewish Agency involved in land puchases] owned 2,354 dunam in the village of Tira. It had bought the land many years previously, but had never extablished a Jewish settlement there, and it was being worked by tenant farmers. In 1946 the Jewish National Fund bought the land and undertook to indemnify the tenant farmers. It paid them LP. 6,097 as a compensation and also bought their houses and adjoining gardens for an additional LP. 9,548. The fellaheen who remained in Tira as neighbors to the Jewish settlers gained a further major benefit when malaria was eradicated from the area. Two years before the land was bought in Tira, Dr. Sliternik, the head of the Jewish Agency's Health Department, visited the village with a view to planning for the eradication of the disease. He found that..."almost all the villagers suffered from malaria....The danger is redoubled because of the many swamps in the area, over which we have no control or supervision...." Once the tract was bought the swamps were drained, and the Jewish and Arab settlements were freed from the disease.

The fellaheen of the above-mentioned villages had lived on the land for many generations and had struck roots in the villages. Not so with the fellaheen of the Mugrabi villages. Half their lands were owned by emirs, descendants of exiles who had accompanied Abd el-Kader, who for the most part were living in Syria.

Many moderate Arabs (finally silenced after the Mufti led Islamic riots of 1936-39) sold the land to the Jews despite the hypocritical threats of other pan-Arab nationalists. Ex.: (Avneri, p. 209):

The Fahum family of Nazareth sold the Fund [Jewish Nationalist Fund] a 3,000-dunam tract of land "in fee simple and free of tenant farmers." The head of the family, Yussuf Fahum, who was mayor of Nazareth for a time, sold his land despite terrorist threats. According to the Jewish National Fund functionaries who dealt with him, he was a proud man and he despised the hypocritical Arab public figures who sold land to Jews in secret and then gave vent to extreme nationalist utterances. He effected the sale openly and publicly without resorting to intermediaries or fictive owners.


80 posted on 03/27/2002 2:25:29 PM PST by besieged
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