Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Poster-boy losers: David Hackworth whacks military's inexperienced 'Perfumed Princes'
WorldNetDaily.com ^ | Wednesday, March 27, 2002 | Col. David Hackworth

Posted on 03/27/2002 7:05:44 PM PST by JohnHuang2

click here to read article


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-4041-6061-80 ... 101-119 next last
To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity
Your description of that combat hardened warrior is spot-on, but she is not Hill AFB's Vice Commander. According to her bio she is the vice commander of the Air Logistics Center. Certainly not a combat organization, and speaking from long experience, one of the least efficient maintenance organizations in the military. I've seen them "upgrade" perfectly good aircraft into flying deathtraps.
21 posted on 03/27/2002 8:15:00 PM PST by Rokke
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 19 | View Replies]

To: Matthew James,SLB,Squantos,harpseal,sneakypete,river rat,thorn11cav
BTTT
22 posted on 03/27/2002 8:19:32 PM PST by Travis McGee
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity
She's in charge of "140,000 Air Force and DoD commodities to ensure the highest state of combat readiness" don'tcha know?
Toilet paper, tampons, and toothpaste.
23 posted on 03/27/2002 8:26:42 PM PST by My Identity
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 19 | View Replies]

To: JohnHuang2
Hack is a national resource.
24 posted on 03/27/2002 8:32:56 PM PST by RLK
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity
If I had known the AF had a commander of vice, I would have been a bus driver.


25 posted on 03/27/2002 8:36:47 PM PST by razorback-bert
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 19 | View Replies]

To: Righty1
Right on Righty1

Hagenbeck is Rambo compared to General Franks. God that guy is so afraid to utter a word that Rummy or Neville Powell won't like that he is constipated!

Why isn't Franks "In Theater?"

26 posted on 03/27/2002 8:50:48 PM PST by B-Cause
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]

To: JohnHuang2
Thank you, John. Hackworth is putting it mildly, actually. The "Warrior" mentality has all but disappeared from the psyche of the officer corps. It started actually, with the firing of Johnny Hyland by Zumwalt in 1972 -- and the assignment of of a politically correct submariner (Chick Clarey) into the critical CINCPACFLT slot...right in the middle of an intense air war in SEA. Among Zumwalt's many failed actions, this was probably the most egregious. If the truth were known, McNamara started the mind-set for management types to essentially out-suck the warriors for influence on the E-ring. And, of course Clinton put the spike right through the warrior's hearts with the appointment of such travesties as Lake, Cohen, Shelton, Boodra, Johnson and Trost...to name just a few. The Pentagon has been replete with losers for almost two decades. And, a reversal of that magnitude cannot be accomplished overnight...or without blood all over the decks. The only way to reverse this trend, in my humble view, is to have ready a cadre of warriors in the wings to replace the failed leadership in enfeebled reaction to the oncoming horrific terror attacks destined for us in the near future. (This is essentially what had to happen in 1942, as the career suck-ups pukes were shown for the shallowness of their thinkig and profiles -- and we dipped into the junior numbers to get the warriors..!!!!!!) Our officer cadre is growing shabbier by the day, as the best and brightest are leaving in droves. We are promoting to 0-6 and Flag, a gaggle of leadership and competence mediocrity that in former times would have had a good chance of being riffed as 0-5's on 20 years. My credentials for the above analysis as fol: 10 naval aviators, living and deceased in the family; 2 Blue Angels -- Cdr. Cliff Skelton (early retirement) and Cdr. "Irish" Raney, current Ops Officer in Teddy Roosevelt; and on and on. I served as Personal Aide to Adm Thomas H. Moorer, USN (Ret) during his first years as CNO, 1967-69, immediately upon returning from a combat tour in South East Asia. Enjoyed deep selection, but took early retirement in 1974 as an 0-6 in protest of the failed leadership in the air war in SEA and Watergate, while running the 35 shop at CINCPACFLT. /s/ Capt. Daniel K. Pope lV, USN (Ret) ie: dk/coro
27 posted on 03/27/2002 8:57:58 PM PST by dk/coro
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: agincourt1415
General U.S. Grant, an aggressive but poor General, ...

Lincoln wanted aggressivity (which was Lee's standout trait), and he found it in Grant. Took him 2-1/2 years to find him.....wonder if we have that long to shake the deadwood out?

28 posted on 03/27/2002 9:00:10 PM PST by lentulusgracchus
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 16 | View Replies]

To: JohnHuang2
I had a Battery commander when I was in the Army that reminds me of this...he was much more concerned with his career than anybody under him...I think if we saw him once every few weeks, that was seeing him a lot. We all grumbled about how we hated it when our commanders came around, but...at least the ones who actually came around often cared about us and their craft. We all had the feeling that had we ever gone into combat, he would be far in the back.
29 posted on 03/27/2002 9:07:38 PM PST by texlok
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Rokke
I agree, I like hackworth, I like his view of military issues, but he's not infallible. He has his bias like us all.
30 posted on 03/27/2002 9:13:11 PM PST by Sci Fi Guy
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies]

To: dk/coro
If the truth were known, McNamara started the mind-set for management types to essentially out-suck the warriors for influence on the E-ring.

Maxwell Taylor was the Army's in-house Whiz Kid in the 50's, brought back to be Chief of Staff IIRC by Kennedy, who reconstituted Franklin Roosevelt's "brain trust" by calling in all the rest of the Roosevelt-era Whiz Kids: Macnamara, Galbraith, Schlesinger, the Bundy brothers, various others.

I read a paper on varieties of human intelligence once that appeared in The Atlantic Monthly, that documented how Harvard, even in the 40's and 50's, had created just the culture you describe, and which Hackworth vilifies, in which people were completely power-driven and whose most notable characteristics, as students, was that they sucked up infinitely more than regular college students to their professors. Roosevelt made this culture normative for the United States Government through the creation of the "brain trust" and its "whiz kid" protege's.

The upshot of the Atlantic Monthly article was that people who have problem-solving and creative intelligence, and people who are socially helpful and adept, all tend to get shoved aside by the power junkie/suckup types, who don't value cooperation (they compete instead) and don't value concrete results -- only differential, competitive "results" that put more daylight between them and their competitors. People like that aren't real leaders as much as they are self-absorbed schemers and power-seekers.

31 posted on 03/27/2002 9:16:56 PM PST by lentulusgracchus
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 27 | View Replies]

To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity
Brigadier General (S) Jan D. “Denny” Eakle is vice commander, Ogden Air Logistics Center

Notice how "Denny" is wearing jump wings? Why is it I suspect the jump school she went through had different standards than the one I went through in 1964? We started with 425 students (ALL male),and graduated 187 3 weeks later.

32 posted on 03/28/2002 12:26:02 AM PST by sneakypete
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 19 | View Replies]

To: Rokke
. Is there ever a time in ground combat, where a bayonet charge is the best option?

No,but there are times when it is the ONLY option. I know a man (Ola Mize) who won a MOH during the Korean War for attacking a Chinese force with a entrenching tool,killing several and chasing the rest off the top of the hill. He had fought them all night,moving from one position to another to fire machine guns at the enemy and tend to the wounded lying there. Even though he was wounded,he was the only man in his company still mobile. When he finally ran out of ammo just before dawn,he decided to go ahead and surrender rather than try to escape. He was going to do this because he could possibly help the wounded as a POW. When the Chinese started sticking bayonets into the wounded soldiers he had spent all night patching up and protecting,he went nuts and grabbed a entrenching tool and went after them.

33 posted on 03/28/2002 12:32:44 AM PST by sneakypete
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 20 | View Replies]

Comment #34 Removed by Moderator

To: Old Hickory
I wonder if Hackworth is ever on TV anymore?

Sean Hannity has him on his radio program occasionally.

35 posted on 03/28/2002 4:09:10 AM PST by Nogbad
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: Thorn11cav

Okay, here's the problem with Hack. Last time I checked, 10th Mountain did reasonably well in the Shah-i-kot battle, especially after adjusting from the surprises of the first 48 hours. I think that Hack is underestimating the ability of the junior leaders to learn from whatever went on there, and he's probably underestimating Hackenback as well.

I don't know why Franks isn't in theater. Probably should be: CENTCOM shouldn't be in Tampa, Florida, that's for damn sure.

Be Seeing You,

Chris

36 posted on 03/28/2002 4:22:26 AM PST by section9
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 34 | View Replies]

To: dk/coro
Maj. Gen. Franklin Hagenbeck has no combat experience and yet he was in charge of Op. Anaconda?---I find this absolutely astonishing.
37 posted on 03/28/2002 5:16:48 AM PST by Rudder
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 27 | View Replies]

To: JohnHuang2
Once again JH2, the good Colonel hits the nail right on the head.

I offer the following, only as a further example of how long this policy has been going on and as a testament therefore of how long it will take to correct. I don't often share personal experience in public as example and do so now only to reinforce the position taken by the good Colonel.

In 1973 I was RIF'd (Reduction in Force) due to the cut backs in the Defense Budget. I was at the time a senior 1st Lt. with 3 years in grade, and ironically within 60 days in a Reserve Unit received my promotion to Captain from Washington. It seems that while the process for being let go from active duty was on going so was the promotion that had been sent forward by my Active Duty Battalion Commander.

Anyway when I was RIF'd it was at the end of 10 years active service; 5 1/2 enlisted (top rank E-5 Buck Sergeant) and the remainder commissioned after Viet Nam. I had 10 years of many special training courses to include NCO Academy, OCS, Special/Nuclear Weapons schooling, and to be honest a couple more I can't recall.

The only criteria for my release were three fold. A) I was an Reserve Officer (becoming Regular Army required a 4 year degree) and I was in an "over strength year group".

Trust me I was not alone. There were thousands just like me.

At the same time there were thousands of Ring Bingers (West Point graduates) that were begging to be realized prior to their 5 year commitment being completed and yet they could not even ask to be considered. I was so shocked to even learn I was being considered for the RIF, I called the Pentagon. I don't have a clue how I got through to him but spoke to a MAJ. GENERAL, who of course didn't know me from squat, but ascertained my Reserve/non degreed status and when I was commissioned and let me know I was ripe for involuntary release. He then went on, as to assure me that is wasn't due to the quality of my service only the three criteria listed. He further informed me there would be others much lower on the "order of merit" list that would not be considered for the draft. What a way to run an organization charged with the defense of the nation?

I can tell you also that my years enlisted and then as an NCO allowed me to gain the respect of the Non-Coms and EM working "with" me in my various assignments that our tasks were carried out with excellence. I owed all that to the absolute support and assistance from those same Non-coms in the main.

"He learned to soldier by listening to his old sergeants and being with the troops."

I have first hand knowledge that Colonel Hackworth absolutely knows what he is talking about. There are some great leaders in the Officer Corps today but they have to be so involved in "ticket punching" that much is lost in honing their ability to lead men into combat.

Not having been in during the Clinton years I can all but assure you that, in terms of principled and dedicated combat experience leaders wanting to conserve the actual combat effectiveness and readiness of the force did not make it to the top. Unfortunately as in most government agencies the "cream" stayed at the bottom (or quit) and the "suck asses" getting tickets punched made it to the top.

Remember the recent "Black Beret" fiasco and reasoning behind it? That is but one "small", albeit prime example of what Colonel Hackworth is talking about.

There was an old saying when I served that I am sure gained new meaning under Xlinton.

"If you can't dazzle 'em with brilliance ... Baffle them with Bull $hit!"

38 posted on 03/28/2002 5:24:21 AM PST by ImpBill
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: Thorn11cav
Anyone who's ever been in combat knows, after the first shot in an engagement...all the plan goes right out the window. Nothing ever goes just right, experience is what saves the day. The ability to adapt and change on the battlefield in an instant...wins wars

10-4 on your right-on comments about "real combat situations." Hackworth knows the he big plus of this current war is we'll end up with Lieutenants and Captains having combat experience. Thank The Lord!

39 posted on 03/28/2002 5:34:15 AM PST by toddst
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 34 | View Replies]

To: SamAdams76
That's because the clerks knew how to fill out the paperwork.
40 posted on 03/28/2002 5:38:23 AM PST by AppyPappy
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-4041-6061-80 ... 101-119 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson